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	<title>Comments on: What 50 AU looks like</title>
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	<description>I am an astronomer, writer, and skeptic. I likes reality the way it is, and I aims to keep it that way. My real name is Phil Plait, and I run the Bad Astronomy blog.</description>
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		<title>By: Jonathan Wald</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2005/08/01/what-50-au-looks-like/comment-page-1/#comment-5688</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan Wald</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Sep 2005 17:56:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love this debate!  When they started discovering larger and larger KBOs, I knew it would bring the discussion of what is really a planet â€“ especially Plutoâ€™s status â€“ to a head.  Weâ€™ve dodged the question for too long.  Now everyone is talking.  It is lively and entertaining, and will probably be one of the better remembered parts of early 21st century astronomy.  Personally, I have always gone with the conclusion that any object orbiting the sun with enough gravity to pull itself into a sphere should be considered.  Since a number of asteroids fit that definition, it would probably not fly with the general public.  â€œGuess what Mrs. Teacher, this year you can teach the 3rd grade that we have 23 planets!â€?  That leaves us with historical planets and picking arbitrary sizes.  Pluto is a &quot;historical&quot; planet, and would be next to impossible to dethrone after 75 years.  My suggestion:  go with the class mentioned above called &quot;Kuiper Planets&quot; to go along with the Terrestrial Planets and Gas Giants.  Pluto, and anyhing bigger, would be a member of this class.  It is very arbitrary, but draws the line based on 75 years of tradition.  If too many are discovered, we can revisit the definition later.  After all, Ceres was first called a planet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love this debate!  When they started discovering larger and larger KBOs, I knew it would bring the discussion of what is really a planet â€“ especially Plutoâ€™s status â€“ to a head.  Weâ€™ve dodged the question for too long.  Now everyone is talking.  It is lively and entertaining, and will probably be one of the better remembered parts of early 21st century astronomy.  Personally, I have always gone with the conclusion that any object orbiting the sun with enough gravity to pull itself into a sphere should be considered.  Since a number of asteroids fit that definition, it would probably not fly with the general public.  â€œGuess what Mrs. Teacher, this year you can teach the 3rd grade that we have 23 planets!â€?  That leaves us with historical planets and picking arbitrary sizes.  Pluto is a &#8220;historical&#8221; planet, and would be next to impossible to dethrone after 75 years.  My suggestion:  go with the class mentioned above called &#8220;Kuiper Planets&#8221; to go along with the Terrestrial Planets and Gas Giants.  Pluto, and anyhing bigger, would be a member of this class.  It is very arbitrary, but draws the line based on 75 years of tradition.  If too many are discovered, we can revisit the definition later.  After all, Ceres was first called a planet.</p>
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		<title>By: Doug McElroy</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2005/08/01/what-50-au-looks-like/comment-page-1/#comment-5687</link>
		<dc:creator>Doug McElroy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Aug 2005 15:37:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, it looks like UB313 and Pluto are unusually large for TNOs and unusually
small for &quot;regular&quot; planets.  Pluto at least has been &quot;grandfathered&quot; in as
a planet for nigh on 70 years now.  So that probably qualifies UB313, too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, it looks like UB313 and Pluto are unusually large for TNOs and unusually<br />
small for &#8220;regular&#8221; planets.  Pluto at least has been &#8220;grandfathered&#8221; in as<br />
a planet for nigh on 70 years now.  So that probably qualifies UB313, too.</p>
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		<title>By: Wolfgang</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wolfgang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Aug 2005 12:48:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If there is indeed a 10th planet, does this mean my horoscopes were incorrect ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If there is indeed a 10th planet, does this mean my horoscopes were incorrect ?</p>
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		<title>By: Jyri Leskinen</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2005/08/01/what-50-au-looks-like/comment-page-1/#comment-5685</link>
		<dc:creator>Jyri Leskinen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Aug 2005 20:39:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We really need more complex classification system than the current simple major planet/minor planet system.

Although it doesn&#039;t really matter what they are called -- every classification is more or less arbitrary, and every object is unique in its own way -- it is good to have astronomical objects classified anyway; for example, if someone says you that an object is a plutino, and you know what &#039;plutino&#039; means, you immediately understand that it is like Pluto a Kuiper Belt object in 2:3 orbital resonance with Neptune.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We really need more complex classification system than the current simple major planet/minor planet system.</p>
<p>Although it doesn&#8217;t really matter what they are called &#8212; every classification is more or less arbitrary, and every object is unique in its own way &#8212; it is good to have astronomical objects classified anyway; for example, if someone says you that an object is a plutino, and you know what &#8216;plutino&#8217; means, you immediately understand that it is like Pluto a Kuiper Belt object in 2:3 orbital resonance with Neptune.</p>
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		<title>By: Zamboni Schwartz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zamboni Schwartz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Aug 2005 18:50:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmmmm.....that Nature article was interesting, but I have a different idea.

The new objects seem to be slightly blurring the line between planets and KBOs. Not only is one larger than pluto, but one also has its own moon very much along the lines of Charon.

When is the IAU going to realize that existing definitions of &quot;Planet&quot; are totally arbitrary, beurocratic designations?

There are already three different classes of planet in our solar system. There are the inner &quot;terrestrial&quot; planets, the big gas giants Jupiter and Saturn, and the two smaller &quot;icy&quot; gas giants, Uranus and Neptune.

When pluto was discovered, the Kuiper Belt as a whole hadn&#039;t been. So, without truly understanding it, they classified it as a &quot;planet&quot;. Now, after the discoveries of objects like Quaoar and Sedna, the KBOs like Pluto are getting a new designation because of their distance and orbital eccentricities/inclines.

But with these truly large worlds, some with moons, are we simply going to have to create a whole new class of planet? What if we were to discover something slightly larger than 2003 UB313 a little bit futher out? What if the orbit was also inclined, which would explain why it hadn&#039;t been discovered yet, but also less eccentric? What if it had an orbit around the same, or slightly less, eccentricity than Pluto? How would we classify it?

Is it maybe time to designate a new classification of &quot;Kuiper Planets&quot;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmmm&#8230;..that Nature article was interesting, but I have a different idea.</p>
<p>The new objects seem to be slightly blurring the line between planets and KBOs. Not only is one larger than pluto, but one also has its own moon very much along the lines of Charon.</p>
<p>When is the IAU going to realize that existing definitions of &#8220;Planet&#8221; are totally arbitrary, beurocratic designations?</p>
<p>There are already three different classes of planet in our solar system. There are the inner &#8220;terrestrial&#8221; planets, the big gas giants Jupiter and Saturn, and the two smaller &#8220;icy&#8221; gas giants, Uranus and Neptune.</p>
<p>When pluto was discovered, the Kuiper Belt as a whole hadn&#8217;t been. So, without truly understanding it, they classified it as a &#8220;planet&#8221;. Now, after the discoveries of objects like Quaoar and Sedna, the KBOs like Pluto are getting a new designation because of their distance and orbital eccentricities/inclines.</p>
<p>But with these truly large worlds, some with moons, are we simply going to have to create a whole new class of planet? What if we were to discover something slightly larger than 2003 UB313 a little bit futher out? What if the orbit was also inclined, which would explain why it hadn&#8217;t been discovered yet, but also less eccentric? What if it had an orbit around the same, or slightly less, eccentricity than Pluto? How would we classify it?</p>
<p>Is it maybe time to designate a new classification of &#8220;Kuiper Planets&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Aug 2005 17:27:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Spoken like a true skeptic.  I see why you like reality the way it is.  ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Spoken like a true skeptic.  I see why you like reality the way it is.  <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Mendel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mendel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Aug 2005 17:23:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This has surely been an exciting few days. Thanks for the pictures!

I think UB313 should be called a planet if it indeed is bigger than Pluto and also travels closer to the sun occasionally.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This has surely been an exciting few days. Thanks for the pictures!</p>
<p>I think UB313 should be called a planet if it indeed is bigger than Pluto and also travels closer to the sun occasionally.</p>
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