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		<title>By: r2k-in-the-vortex</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2006/01/05/spacedrive/comment-page-2/#comment-262242</link>
		<dc:creator>r2k-in-the-vortex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Apr 2010 19:06:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>esa actually did the experiment, they achieved 100microG of acceleration. ofc that&#039;s only one experiment and others need to try it
http://www.scienceblog.com/cms/scientists_find_evidence_for_artifical_gravity_10282.html
its kind of sad that most articles about that particular experiment neglect to mention heim&#039;s work behind this. but that is expected as you can see general opinion of heim theory borders crackpot science</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>esa actually did the experiment, they achieved 100microG of acceleration. ofc that&#8217;s only one experiment and others need to try it<br />
<a href="http://www.scienceblog.com/cms/scientists_find_evidence_for_artifical_gravity_10282.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.scienceblog.com/cms/scientists_find_evidence_for_artifical_gravity_10282.html</a><br />
its kind of sad that most articles about that particular experiment neglect to mention heim&#8217;s work behind this. but that is expected as you can see general opinion of heim theory borders crackpot science</p>
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		<title>By: Better Late</title>
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		<dc:creator>Better Late</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 07:04:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rather than debate this issue to the point of insanity, why don&#039;t they just try to experiment with this theory. Unfortunately we live in a world of scientific consensus that seems to rival the Spanish Inquisition whenver a new idea or one the goes against the consensus is introduced. Does anyone actually follow the scientific method anymore. It seems now that the current scientific method is Hypothesis, Censored by scientific establishment, give up. It is time to bring back applied scientists, not theorists who sit around with a cup of Dar Jeeling and discuss abstract concepts until their brains cannot take it anymore. Maybe we can use availible scientific concepts and maybe experiment for once. 

Another thing, whether it is the theory of relativity or global climate change. Unless it can be proven without a shred of doubt they are still theories.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rather than debate this issue to the point of insanity, why don&#8217;t they just try to experiment with this theory. Unfortunately we live in a world of scientific consensus that seems to rival the Spanish Inquisition whenver a new idea or one the goes against the consensus is introduced. Does anyone actually follow the scientific method anymore. It seems now that the current scientific method is Hypothesis, Censored by scientific establishment, give up. It is time to bring back applied scientists, not theorists who sit around with a cup of Dar Jeeling and discuss abstract concepts until their brains cannot take it anymore. Maybe we can use availible scientific concepts and maybe experiment for once. </p>
<p>Another thing, whether it is the theory of relativity or global climate change. Unless it can be proven without a shred of doubt they are still theories.</p>
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		<title>By: This</title>
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		<dc:creator>This</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 May 2009 05:00:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;This&lt;/strong&gt;

Have you been blogging long? not martha - bacon cups is a great blog, you have a great writing style too.  Found this post last Thursday and i&#039;ve been reading your blog since.  I&#039;ve subscribed to your RSS feed and I am excited for more quality posts ...</description>
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<p>Have you been blogging long? not martha &#8211; bacon cups is a great blog, you have a great writing style too.  Found this post last Thursday and i&#8217;ve been reading your blog since.  I&#8217;ve subscribed to your RSS feed and I am excited for more quality posts &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: stawek</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2006/01/05/spacedrive/comment-page-2/#comment-143790</link>
		<dc:creator>stawek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Dec 2008 10:18:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why is everyone so &#039;scared&#039; of extra dimensions? They are here, they MUST be here...
Look at your computer screen. It&#039;s flat - it&#039;s 2d (if we skip time for simplicity), isn&#039;t it?
Or maybe it&#039;s not. Each pixel of the screen may take a value that represents colour. This means, that you screen is a 3d construct on a 2d plane. Just by adding colours. That is why you may play 3d games on it - the third colour dimension is used to show the depth.
Now think about our 4d spacetime. Common misconception is that human can&#039;t imagine more than 3 dimensions, cause we can&#039;t see them. A huge error I think. WE ARE the 4th dimension - just for every point in space assign a value that represents the energy that resides in that point (ie an atom of your body) and we have a 5th dimension already. Add magnetic fields, gravity fields and whatnot and you may as well end up with 12 dimensions...
This is what Heim&#039;s done (or what I understand from his work). On top of our regular 4d he added dimensions representing quantum states. Simple.
The real chellenge is quantisation of space. If you divide space into little cubes then you have either prefferred directions (it&#039;s easier - &#039;shorter&#039; to move along axis than across the cubes, as diagonal of cube is longer than its side) or (if the cost of moving from one cube to another is the same no matter the direction) a circle should actually be a square (in a square the distance between midpoint and walls measured in &#039;tiles&#039; is equal for each point on perimeter)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why is everyone so &#8216;scared&#8217; of extra dimensions? They are here, they MUST be here&#8230;<br />
Look at your computer screen. It&#8217;s flat &#8211; it&#8217;s 2d (if we skip time for simplicity), isn&#8217;t it?<br />
Or maybe it&#8217;s not. Each pixel of the screen may take a value that represents colour. This means, that you screen is a 3d construct on a 2d plane. Just by adding colours. That is why you may play 3d games on it &#8211; the third colour dimension is used to show the depth.<br />
Now think about our 4d spacetime. Common misconception is that human can&#8217;t imagine more than 3 dimensions, cause we can&#8217;t see them. A huge error I think. WE ARE the 4th dimension &#8211; just for every point in space assign a value that represents the energy that resides in that point (ie an atom of your body) and we have a 5th dimension already. Add magnetic fields, gravity fields and whatnot and you may as well end up with 12 dimensions&#8230;<br />
This is what Heim&#8217;s done (or what I understand from his work). On top of our regular 4d he added dimensions representing quantum states. Simple.<br />
The real chellenge is quantisation of space. If you divide space into little cubes then you have either prefferred directions (it&#8217;s easier &#8211; &#8216;shorter&#8217; to move along axis than across the cubes, as diagonal of cube is longer than its side) or (if the cost of moving from one cube to another is the same no matter the direction) a circle should actually be a square (in a square the distance between midpoint and walls measured in &#8217;tiles&#8217; is equal for each point on perimeter)</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Oller</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Oller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 09:41:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No one mentioned the possibility of time travel.  I know that approaching the speed of light slows time, but can one travel backwards in time by exceeding the speed of light?  Can one control which past one travels to?  Perfect accuracy is unnecessary.  Might it also be possible to travel to parallel worlds, which split off from ours in the past?

As for travelling to the stars, they&#039;re awfully hot, and the planets orbiting the stars are only slightly more hospitable, but maybe we will find that they were colonized by humans billions of years ago.  Maybe we will even go on dinosaur safaris.  Don&#039;t laugh, there are hundreds of out of place artifacts (ooparts). Some date back to the paleozoic, and a beautiful pewter vase with silver inlaid flowers was blasted out of the precambrian Roxbury conglomerate in Massachussets in 1852.  Nowadays, such anomalies are usually ignored but not always.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No one mentioned the possibility of time travel.  I know that approaching the speed of light slows time, but can one travel backwards in time by exceeding the speed of light?  Can one control which past one travels to?  Perfect accuracy is unnecessary.  Might it also be possible to travel to parallel worlds, which split off from ours in the past?</p>
<p>As for travelling to the stars, they&#8217;re awfully hot, and the planets orbiting the stars are only slightly more hospitable, but maybe we will find that they were colonized by humans billions of years ago.  Maybe we will even go on dinosaur safaris.  Don&#8217;t laugh, there are hundreds of out of place artifacts (ooparts). Some date back to the paleozoic, and a beautiful pewter vase with silver inlaid flowers was blasted out of the precambrian Roxbury conglomerate in Massachussets in 1852.  Nowadays, such anomalies are usually ignored but not always.</p>
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		<title>By: Ozzie</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2006/01/05/spacedrive/comment-page-2/#comment-9508</link>
		<dc:creator>Ozzie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 14:02:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m primarily a planetary geologist, but I&#039;ve taken a great interest in quantum physics, GR/Sr and such for a long time. I believe, with all your protestations of Heim and others....even if it&#039;s protestations for or against...you&#039;ve all missed the point. That points being this: at one stage they thought Einstein was a crackpot and no one could understand his theories. Until they studied what he wrote, did the experiments and found he was pretty much on the ball. However, Einstein, no matter how much his physics paradigms are taken as gospel, is not the last word in physics. Regardless of the experiments and such, that have been done since his theory&#039;s publication, it doesn&#039;t mean that he is correct in all of his assumptions about what constitutes reality. Hell, he couldn&#039;t get his head around quantum physics, so what does that say about his supposed &quot;genius&quot;.

Given that none of you are completely familiar with what Heim wrote, as are most physicists as well, don&#039;t decry his theory/theories until you&#039;ve done the experimental work yourself. Or have seen and can vouch for experiments done by others. Even then, it won&#039;t necessarily discount his work because we may not have the requisite technology to fully perform any experiments to confirm/deny the theory. This was the case with Einstein for quite a number of years.

Discounting anything, without proof positive that you&#039;re correct in your assumptions, is a very dangerous situation to get yourself into. You may never see the results come to light (as it maybe 100 years before they come in, for instance), but you may have to, metaphorically, eat your own words. You never know what&#039;s around the corner.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m primarily a planetary geologist, but I&#8217;ve taken a great interest in quantum physics, GR/Sr and such for a long time. I believe, with all your protestations of Heim and others&#8230;.even if it&#8217;s protestations for or against&#8230;you&#8217;ve all missed the point. That points being this: at one stage they thought Einstein was a crackpot and no one could understand his theories. Until they studied what he wrote, did the experiments and found he was pretty much on the ball. However, Einstein, no matter how much his physics paradigms are taken as gospel, is not the last word in physics. Regardless of the experiments and such, that have been done since his theory&#8217;s publication, it doesn&#8217;t mean that he is correct in all of his assumptions about what constitutes reality. Hell, he couldn&#8217;t get his head around quantum physics, so what does that say about his supposed &#8220;genius&#8221;.</p>
<p>Given that none of you are completely familiar with what Heim wrote, as are most physicists as well, don&#8217;t decry his theory/theories until you&#8217;ve done the experimental work yourself. Or have seen and can vouch for experiments done by others. Even then, it won&#8217;t necessarily discount his work because we may not have the requisite technology to fully perform any experiments to confirm/deny the theory. This was the case with Einstein for quite a number of years.</p>
<p>Discounting anything, without proof positive that you&#8217;re correct in your assumptions, is a very dangerous situation to get yourself into. You may never see the results come to light (as it maybe 100 years before they come in, for instance), but you may have to, metaphorically, eat your own words. You never know what&#8217;s around the corner.</p>
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		<title>By: Joshua Perry</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2006/01/05/spacedrive/comment-page-2/#comment-9507</link>
		<dc:creator>Joshua Perry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jan 2008 23:51:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Remember that when you go into a black hole and reach the singularity, you&#039;ll see two dimensions of time in order for GR to remain true?  Remember that the gravitational force in a black hole is so strong light cannot escape?  So if you can&#039;t travel faster than light, why is light not fast enough to escape from the gravitational force of a black hole?  Let&#039;s step over to the event horizon over here and I will show you that Heim is right...  Oh wait that won&#039;t work very well.  So let&#039;s use a smaller example.  Let&#039;s take a big ring and spin it really fast.  Then let&#039;s apply a huge EM field inside it.  Oh no, we created a black hole and we&#039;re traveling faster than light!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Remember that when you go into a black hole and reach the singularity, you&#8217;ll see two dimensions of time in order for GR to remain true?  Remember that the gravitational force in a black hole is so strong light cannot escape?  So if you can&#8217;t travel faster than light, why is light not fast enough to escape from the gravitational force of a black hole?  Let&#8217;s step over to the event horizon over here and I will show you that Heim is right&#8230;  Oh wait that won&#8217;t work very well.  So let&#8217;s use a smaller example.  Let&#8217;s take a big ring and spin it really fast.  Then let&#8217;s apply a huge EM field inside it.  Oh no, we created a black hole and we&#8217;re traveling faster than light!</p>
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		<title>By: mike burkhart</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2006/01/05/spacedrive/comment-page-2/#comment-9506</link>
		<dc:creator>mike burkhart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Sep 2007 23:13:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What can I say warp factor 1 engage Ithink we have another video game fan after all video game addicts have been traveling in hyperspace in arcades and home systems since atari realeased asteroids</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What can I say warp factor 1 engage Ithink we have another video game fan after all video game addicts have been traveling in hyperspace in arcades and home systems since atari realeased asteroids</p>
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		<title>By: Mike T. Bautz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike T. Bautz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 May 2007 20:46:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think, there&#039;s more to this new idea of anti-gravity propulsion than most of us might assume. Here&#039;s why ...

This is about the work of the late obscure physicist Burkhard Heim, who lived, studied and worked on his Field Theory in my hometown of Goettingen, Germany. In short this guy most probably was a genius in the realm of Einstein (some tentative proof for this claim later) but was shunned by most of his contemporaries mainly because his stuff was way over their heads. Even today there&#039;s said to be only a handful of physicists worldwide who are able to grasp his work (and having to admit this is something every expert in any field really loathes).

In short (and by no means accurate because I&#039;m a clinical psychologist by trade with just too much curiosity for other disciplines) this is what he tried and (if those who understand his work are right) even achieved: he wanted nothing less than to bridge the theoretical gap between the General Theory of Relativity and the Quantum Theory (in short he was after a Grand Unified Theory: No GUT, no Glory!). Note: he was NOT trying to devise any kind of propulsion for interstellar space travel, this is more like a by-product developed later on by the physicists DroÌˆscher &amp; HaÌˆuser.

Heim&#039;s &quot;Field Theory&quot; states that the principle of Quantitizing is also valid in the fabric of space-time, and that subatomic particles are the source of gravitational forces. This guy was physically handicapped after he lost 90% of his eyesight and both arms in a freak explosion in a lab in 1944 and yet he kept on working in reclusion with help from his wife for many years.

Here&#039;s an *ultra short* synopsis of what he did come up with: his postulate was that there is a &quot;middle field&quot; between electromagnetism and gravitation in the 6-dimensional space. This &quot;middle field&quot; he stated in 1957 can be used to derive gravitational from electromagnetic waves. He was soon contacted by Wernher von Braun but refused to give out more of his work
because he felt he still had a long way to go before putting any piece of it to real world use.

After being coaxed by Prof. Pasqual Jordan (an expert on GRT) in 1964 Heim set out to find a way to accurately calculate the masses of subatomic particles (something nobody else has done so far). In 1977 he published his solution in the &quot;Zeitschrift fuÌˆr Naturforschung&quot; of the german Max-Planck-Gesellschaft, and in 1980 he published his first book &quot;Elementary Structure of Matter&quot;.

Now, what&#039;s really mind-boggling is that researchers of the german Electron-Synchrotron (DESY) in 1982 programmed and tested Heim&#039;s equations and found that by using them they could calculate the masses and energy states of particles with an accuracy that fell within 0.01% of the empirical values as determined by use of DESY and other accelerators/colliders. Compare this to an accuracy of only between 1% and 10% of empirical values when using calculations based on lattice quantum chromodynamics (as done in 2003).

But the problem remains that Heim&#039;s work is so complicated that even todays best physicists need to study it for at least one year before beginning to grasp its true potential (according to the DESY guys). Lately, a group of physicists devoted to Heim&#039;s theory have repeated the mass and state
calculations using a more precise value for the gravitational constant as it is known only now and they found even better accuracy compared to the empirically derived values than in the older work done by DESY. So, in short it looks like Heim was really onto something and clearly knew what he was talking about.

Now onto the practical application of his work: one of the few colleagues who actually did work with Heim during his lifetime is an austrian physicist named Walter DroÌˆscher. He found some conceptual errors in Heim&#039;s theory and helped him to work around those missteps. They both came up with the two additional dimensions which interact with our 4-dimensional world: where Heim&#039;s theory claimed that the dimensions #5 and #6 are the ones that effect gravitation, in the 8-dimensional Heim/DroÌˆscher-World dimensions #7 and #8 are the sources of a new quasi-gravitational force that is repulsive rather than attractive, called &quot;Quintessence&quot; (note the similarities to the new concept of Dark Energy in cosmology). Whereas photons as the bearers of the electromagnetic force result as a geometric structure by combination of the dimensions #4-#8 Heim &amp; DroÌˆscher then describe a new particle that results from a combination of the dimensions #5-#8.

And here it gets really good: DroÌˆscher and his colleague HaÌˆuser developed the theoretical (and practical) framework for an advanced propulsion system, the so-called DroÌˆscher/HaÌˆuser gravitophoton-field drive (now named Hyper-Drive). Based on Heim&#039;s theory this is what they basically say (in my
complete lay terminology): a spacecraft is able to project its own gravitational field by producing gravitophotons. To do this, the craft is fitted with a massive ring (appr. 2 tons) that is rotating inside a magnetic field (20 Tesla is said to be sufficient to constantly accelerate a spacecraft of 150 tons with the equivalent of Earth&#039;s gravity). The rotating mass inside of the
strong magnetic field will produce virtual pairs of  gravitophotons through vacuum polarization. This, according to quantum electrodynamics, is a process in which a background electromagnetic field produces virtual electron-positron pairs. In the framework of DroÌˆscher/HaÌˆuser and Heim it also produces virtual pairs of gravitophotons. Because the effect on mass
is much stronger in the case of attracting gravitophotons this kind of propulsion will result in a force (called Heim-Lorentz force) that can be used to counter the gravitational force excerted on the spacecraft by e.g. earth.

This kind of spacecraft could cover the distance Earth-Moon in appr. 4 hours. Because it always follows the resulting accelerating force the craft could perform almost all kinds of flight manouvres as well as drastic accelerations
without negatively affecting the passengers (note that this could explain the erratic flight patterns that are described in so many UFO observations).

But it gets even better: according to DroÌˆscher/HaÌˆuser it is mandatory, that after reaching a certain critical limit the spacecraft must leave 4-dimensional space and transit into a parallel or higher order space! Here&#039;s why: because repulsive gravitophotons would reduce the gravitational potential of the whole spacecraft, or its inert mass, and because energy needs to be preserved (E=mc^2) it then follows that the craft must go faster than the speed of light. Of course, in 4-dimensional space-time this cannot happen thus forcing the craft to transit into a parallel space called R4(n) in which it is actually possible to travel at n-times the speed of light.

DroÌˆscher/HaÌˆuser have calculated that it should be possible to travel to Mars in 2.5 hours and to reach the star Procyon (distance: 11.4 ligtyears) in just 80 days â€“ not too shabby, indeed! Imagine the following dialog at a breakfast table in NYC, say some 25 years from now. He: &quot;I&#039;ve got an appointment today in New Berlin (capital of Mars) at 1pm.&quot; She: &quot;Okay! Don&#039;t forget that the Wilsons come in for dinner at 7.&quot; He: &quot;No problem! I&#039;ll be back at 6.30 the latest ... gotta buzz now, have a nice day, honey!&quot;

All that is needed to bring this theoretical stuff into real world usage are the will and the money to finance experiments accordingly. For more and far far better information cf. e.g. http://heim-theory.com/Contents/contents.html
Note that DroÌˆscher/HaÌˆuser have presented their framework three times since 2002 at the Annual Conference of Interstellar Spacetravel of the  American Institute of Aeronautics and Astronautics, so I guess some people do actually listen to them ...

Also, since all this stuff has been out there for more than 20 years now it may very well be that someone has already put it into practical use without bothering to tell the public about it. You know who the usual suspects are.

I&#039;ll apologize for my german tainted english and lay man&#039;s translation of this stuff (that is also waaayyy over my poor psychologist head). I just thought it might be of interest to you.

Cheers -mike</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think, there&#8217;s more to this new idea of anti-gravity propulsion than most of us might assume. Here&#8217;s why &#8230;</p>
<p>This is about the work of the late obscure physicist Burkhard Heim, who lived, studied and worked on his Field Theory in my hometown of Goettingen, Germany. In short this guy most probably was a genius in the realm of Einstein (some tentative proof for this claim later) but was shunned by most of his contemporaries mainly because his stuff was way over their heads. Even today there&#8217;s said to be only a handful of physicists worldwide who are able to grasp his work (and having to admit this is something every expert in any field really loathes).</p>
<p>In short (and by no means accurate because I&#8217;m a clinical psychologist by trade with just too much curiosity for other disciplines) this is what he tried and (if those who understand his work are right) even achieved: he wanted nothing less than to bridge the theoretical gap between the General Theory of Relativity and the Quantum Theory (in short he was after a Grand Unified Theory: No GUT, no Glory!). Note: he was NOT trying to devise any kind of propulsion for interstellar space travel, this is more like a by-product developed later on by the physicists DroÌˆscher &amp; HaÌˆuser.</p>
<p>Heim&#8217;s &#8220;Field Theory&#8221; states that the principle of Quantitizing is also valid in the fabric of space-time, and that subatomic particles are the source of gravitational forces. This guy was physically handicapped after he lost 90% of his eyesight and both arms in a freak explosion in a lab in 1944 and yet he kept on working in reclusion with help from his wife for many years.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s an *ultra short* synopsis of what he did come up with: his postulate was that there is a &#8220;middle field&#8221; between electromagnetism and gravitation in the 6-dimensional space. This &#8220;middle field&#8221; he stated in 1957 can be used to derive gravitational from electromagnetic waves. He was soon contacted by Wernher von Braun but refused to give out more of his work<br />
because he felt he still had a long way to go before putting any piece of it to real world use.</p>
<p>After being coaxed by Prof. Pasqual Jordan (an expert on GRT) in 1964 Heim set out to find a way to accurately calculate the masses of subatomic particles (something nobody else has done so far). In 1977 he published his solution in the &#8220;Zeitschrift fuÌˆr Naturforschung&#8221; of the german Max-Planck-Gesellschaft, and in 1980 he published his first book &#8220;Elementary Structure of Matter&#8221;.</p>
<p>Now, what&#8217;s really mind-boggling is that researchers of the german Electron-Synchrotron (DESY) in 1982 programmed and tested Heim&#8217;s equations and found that by using them they could calculate the masses and energy states of particles with an accuracy that fell within 0.01% of the empirical values as determined by use of DESY and other accelerators/colliders. Compare this to an accuracy of only between 1% and 10% of empirical values when using calculations based on lattice quantum chromodynamics (as done in 2003).</p>
<p>But the problem remains that Heim&#8217;s work is so complicated that even todays best physicists need to study it for at least one year before beginning to grasp its true potential (according to the DESY guys). Lately, a group of physicists devoted to Heim&#8217;s theory have repeated the mass and state<br />
calculations using a more precise value for the gravitational constant as it is known only now and they found even better accuracy compared to the empirically derived values than in the older work done by DESY. So, in short it looks like Heim was really onto something and clearly knew what he was talking about.</p>
<p>Now onto the practical application of his work: one of the few colleagues who actually did work with Heim during his lifetime is an austrian physicist named Walter DroÌˆscher. He found some conceptual errors in Heim&#8217;s theory and helped him to work around those missteps. They both came up with the two additional dimensions which interact with our 4-dimensional world: where Heim&#8217;s theory claimed that the dimensions #5 and #6 are the ones that effect gravitation, in the 8-dimensional Heim/DroÌˆscher-World dimensions #7 and #8 are the sources of a new quasi-gravitational force that is repulsive rather than attractive, called &#8220;Quintessence&#8221; (note the similarities to the new concept of Dark Energy in cosmology). Whereas photons as the bearers of the electromagnetic force result as a geometric structure by combination of the dimensions #4-#8 Heim &amp; DroÌˆscher then describe a new particle that results from a combination of the dimensions #5-#8.</p>
<p>And here it gets really good: DroÌˆscher and his colleague HaÌˆuser developed the theoretical (and practical) framework for an advanced propulsion system, the so-called DroÌˆscher/HaÌˆuser gravitophoton-field drive (now named Hyper-Drive). Based on Heim&#8217;s theory this is what they basically say (in my<br />
complete lay terminology): a spacecraft is able to project its own gravitational field by producing gravitophotons. To do this, the craft is fitted with a massive ring (appr. 2 tons) that is rotating inside a magnetic field (20 Tesla is said to be sufficient to constantly accelerate a spacecraft of 150 tons with the equivalent of Earth&#8217;s gravity). The rotating mass inside of the<br />
strong magnetic field will produce virtual pairs of  gravitophotons through vacuum polarization. This, according to quantum electrodynamics, is a process in which a background electromagnetic field produces virtual electron-positron pairs. In the framework of DroÌˆscher/HaÌˆuser and Heim it also produces virtual pairs of gravitophotons. Because the effect on mass<br />
is much stronger in the case of attracting gravitophotons this kind of propulsion will result in a force (called Heim-Lorentz force) that can be used to counter the gravitational force excerted on the spacecraft by e.g. earth.</p>
<p>This kind of spacecraft could cover the distance Earth-Moon in appr. 4 hours. Because it always follows the resulting accelerating force the craft could perform almost all kinds of flight manouvres as well as drastic accelerations<br />
without negatively affecting the passengers (note that this could explain the erratic flight patterns that are described in so many UFO observations).</p>
<p>But it gets even better: according to DroÌˆscher/HaÌˆuser it is mandatory, that after reaching a certain critical limit the spacecraft must leave 4-dimensional space and transit into a parallel or higher order space! Here&#8217;s why: because repulsive gravitophotons would reduce the gravitational potential of the whole spacecraft, or its inert mass, and because energy needs to be preserved (E=mc^2) it then follows that the craft must go faster than the speed of light. Of course, in 4-dimensional space-time this cannot happen thus forcing the craft to transit into a parallel space called R4(n) in which it is actually possible to travel at n-times the speed of light.</p>
<p>DroÌˆscher/HaÌˆuser have calculated that it should be possible to travel to Mars in 2.5 hours and to reach the star Procyon (distance: 11.4 ligtyears) in just 80 days â€“ not too shabby, indeed! Imagine the following dialog at a breakfast table in NYC, say some 25 years from now. He: &#8220;I&#8217;ve got an appointment today in New Berlin (capital of Mars) at 1pm.&#8221; She: &#8220;Okay! Don&#8217;t forget that the Wilsons come in for dinner at 7.&#8221; He: &#8220;No problem! I&#8217;ll be back at 6.30 the latest &#8230; gotta buzz now, have a nice day, honey!&#8221;</p>
<p>All that is needed to bring this theoretical stuff into real world usage are the will and the money to finance experiments accordingly. For more and far far better information cf. e.g. <a href="http://heim-theory.com/Contents/contents.html" rel="nofollow">http://heim-theory.com/Contents/contents.html</a><br />
Note that DroÌˆscher/HaÌˆuser have presented their framework three times since 2002 at the Annual Conference of Interstellar Spacetravel of the  American Institute of Aeronautics and Astronautics, so I guess some people do actually listen to them &#8230;</p>
<p>Also, since all this stuff has been out there for more than 20 years now it may very well be that someone has already put it into practical use without bothering to tell the public about it. You know who the usual suspects are.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll apologize for my german tainted english and lay man&#8217;s translation of this stuff (that is also waaayyy over my poor psychologist head). I just thought it might be of interest to you.</p>
<p>Cheers -mike</p>
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		<dc:creator>Science After Sunclipse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Apr 2007 01:04:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;New Scientist, the EmDrive and the Wobosphere...&lt;/strong&gt;

shnood: (roughly) an imposter; a person oblivious to just how trivial or wrong his ideas are.
â€œWere there any interesting speakers at the conference?â€
â€œNo, just a bunch of shnoods.â€
â€œThe magazine New Scientist loves to feature shnoods on the ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>New Scientist, the EmDrive and the Wobosphere&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>shnood: (roughly) an imposter; a person oblivious to just how trivial or wrong his ideas are.<br />
â€œWere there any interesting speakers at the conference?â€<br />
â€œNo, just a bunch of shnoods.â€<br />
â€œThe magazine New Scientist loves to feature shnoods on the &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Bob zubot</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob zubot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Apr 2006 07:14:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Heim was a german physicist who died in 2001.  He proposed the theory that you alluded to when talking about Hyperdrives.  The interesting thing about his theory, is that it predicts the masses of all the subatomic particles that have been discovered by particle accelerator experiments.  The accuracy of the predictions is far greater than what can be calculated by any presently accepted quantum field theory.  It makes predictions of the existance of other particles (the gravitophoton for example).  One of the predictions is the presence of antigravity.  Before you write off a theory, you should consider what makes a good theory.  One: it must explain all possible observations. Two: it must make predictions.  Heim&#039;s theory does both of these things, and explains many observations made in experiment better than even theories like string theory.  This theory should not be dismissed with out testing the predictions made.

The theory was discussed in great detail by NASA scientists.  You may want to try and read them.  http://www.hpcc-space.com/publications/index.html

You can also get more information at the web site http://www.heim-theory.com

Please remember to keep an open mind.  It is essential to all science.  If experiments are done to show that the predictions made by his theory are incorrect, I will be more than willing to dismiss his work.  I think though, the mass calculations made from his theory, and how well they match experiment, and that his theory unifies Gravity and electromagnetism, which no other theory can do, merits a good look at what he has done.

Bob Zubot</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heim was a german physicist who died in 2001.  He proposed the theory that you alluded to when talking about Hyperdrives.  The interesting thing about his theory, is that it predicts the masses of all the subatomic particles that have been discovered by particle accelerator experiments.  The accuracy of the predictions is far greater than what can be calculated by any presently accepted quantum field theory.  It makes predictions of the existance of other particles (the gravitophoton for example).  One of the predictions is the presence of antigravity.  Before you write off a theory, you should consider what makes a good theory.  One: it must explain all possible observations. Two: it must make predictions.  Heim&#8217;s theory does both of these things, and explains many observations made in experiment better than even theories like string theory.  This theory should not be dismissed with out testing the predictions made.</p>
<p>The theory was discussed in great detail by NASA scientists.  You may want to try and read them.  <a href="http://www.hpcc-space.com/publications/index.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.hpcc-space.com/publications/index.html</a></p>
<p>You can also get more information at the web site <a href="http://www.heim-theory.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.heim-theory.com</a></p>
<p>Please remember to keep an open mind.  It is essential to all science.  If experiments are done to show that the predictions made by his theory are incorrect, I will be more than willing to dismiss his work.  I think though, the mass calculations made from his theory, and how well they match experiment, and that his theory unifies Gravity and electromagnetism, which no other theory can do, merits a good look at what he has done.</p>
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		<dc:creator>J.J.Madson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Mar 2006 02:36:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is not anti-gravity, but pro gravity. Consider a mechanical rock that is  attracted to larger mass-density. &quot;An apple falling to the earth&quot;</description>
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		<title>By: will314159</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Mar 2006 22:56:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A collabrative effort is uderway to implement the Heim particle mass formula in Java. Plus there is a lively discussion of Heim particle structure theory at
 http://forum.physorg.com/index.php?showtopic=4385&amp;st=285&amp;#entry70571

The site has Phd&#039;s and amateurs.

Take Care!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A collabrative effort is uderway to implement the Heim particle mass formula in Java. Plus there is a lively discussion of Heim particle structure theory at<br />
 <a href="http://forum.physorg.com/index.php?showtopic=4385&#038;st=285&#038;#entry70571" rel="nofollow">http://forum.physorg.com/index.php?showtopic=4385&#038;st=285&#038;#entry70571</a></p>
<p>The site has Phd&#8217;s and amateurs.</p>
<p>Take Care!</p>
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		<title>By: Frank2</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Feb 2006 20:27:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually there may be a test that can be done to test a part of the Hiem theory and the equipment to do so is at Sandia national labs.
An article in New Scientist claims â€œRoger Lenard, a space propulsion researcher at Sandia National Laboratories in New Mexico thinks it might just be possible. Sandia runs an X-ray generator known as the Z machine which &quot;could probably generate the necessary field intensities and gradients&quot;.â€

Article link http://www.newscientist.com/channel/fundamentals/mg18925331.200.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually there may be a test that can be done to test a part of the Hiem theory and the equipment to do so is at Sandia national labs.<br />
An article in New Scientist claims â€œRoger Lenard, a space propulsion researcher at Sandia National Laboratories in New Mexico thinks it might just be possible. Sandia runs an X-ray generator known as the Z machine which &#8220;could probably generate the necessary field intensities and gradients&#8221;.â€</p>
<p>Article link <a href="http://www.newscientist.com/channel/fundamentals/mg18925331.200.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.newscientist.com/channel/fundamentals/mg18925331.200.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: NuclearDreamer</title>
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		<dc:creator>NuclearDreamer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jan 2006 12:19:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, and here&#039;s a link to an article to help give you some background on both the story and Heim, personally:


&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.newscientistspace.com/channel/space-tech/mg18925331.200-take-a-leap-into-hyperspace.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;b&gt;New Scientist: &quot;Leap into Hyperspace&quot;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt;


Far less radical than string theory--but not nearly as understandable and debatable, which has got to just burn some of ya&#039;s up, doesn&#039;t it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, and here&#8217;s a link to an article to help give you some background on both the story and Heim, personally:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.newscientistspace.com/channel/space-tech/mg18925331.200-take-a-leap-into-hyperspace.html" rel="nofollow"><b>New Scientist: &#8220;Leap into Hyperspace&#8221;</b></a></p>
<p>Far less radical than string theory&#8211;but not nearly as understandable and debatable, which has got to just burn some of ya&#8217;s up, doesn&#8217;t it?</p>
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		<title>By: NuclearDreamer</title>
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		<dc:creator>NuclearDreamer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jan 2006 11:56:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Preface:
My view of &quot;such things&quot;--and all things, really--(since long before and til long after this discussion or any personal study on the matter, specifically--which occurred well in advance of AIAA&#039;s conference) is one of logical skepticism, yet a firm realization that all ideas, theories, and even physical laws were at one time completely out of the question in accordance with the universe &quot;as we know it&quot;, and that yesterday&#039;s science fiction has today become quite passe&#039; in having dropped the &quot;fiction&quot;. As soon as a scientist has lost his curiosity AND his dreams AND the realization that he knows NOTHING in the broad scheme of things, he has ceased to be a scientist and has joined the ranks of ordinary scholars and historians and journalists whose job it is merely to stand back and document what is known thus far, rather than stand out on the edge and overturn for tomorrow what is &quot;known&quot; today. The fact that so many are so quick to downplay, sneer at, and even outright specifically attack an idea (that could be the possibility of a realization of the dreams of ANYONE who devotes their life to such studies to  such a degree as puts them at a level of knowledge and comprehensive ability to even speak on such things) such as this both comes as no surprise to me, and furthermore is ample indication as to why none of you (not all of you, but you know which ones &quot;you&quot; are) will ever be anything but armchair skeptics or maybe marginally influential contributors at best, regarding the overall flow and progression of what we &quot;know&quot; from year to year.
For what its worth, Heim was a friggin genius who had the utmost respect of all who ever knew and worked with him, few as that may have been, considering his seclusionary lifestyle because of his multiple disfigurements and disabilities (that were a direct result, from his late teen years, of a very early-beginning and never-waning unbridled passion for discovery and intuitive, prodigious questioning of the universe, our place in it, and the validity of what we &quot;know&quot; compared to what we could possibly know and where it could take us. Don&#039;t get me wrong: neither his natural genius nor his disabilities/disfigurement qualify his theories as valid, but his unending, conscious realization that humanity, and he in it, knows nothing compared to what we will know at some future time qualifies him as being far more of a logically realistic scientist and theorist than any who assume their station as not just skeptic, but some sort of holy, supreme, (unpublished...tsktsktsk), referee whose place it is to hip check the work of others, keeping them down at their  alotted station. Which one of you can actually explain the mathematics involved in Heim-Droscher Space? Even enough to even explain the fundamental link between gravity and electromagnetism and their dimensional origin? That would certainly at least put you in the running to win the &quot;I have an inkling of a right to discredit ANYONE&quot; award.
Truth is, very few physicists have even heard of Heim or Droscher, much less read their work. It&#039;s a vastly smaller-yet still proportion of the scientific community who have even been able to walk away from such a reading with anything other than a furrowed brow and perhaps a few nightmares of certain equations coming to get them and haunting the part of them that wants to know everything. But the few who have been able to be intellectually limber enough, yet have a firm enough grasp of theoretical physics (within the frame of the universe AS WE KNOW IT---with actually very few theoretical liberties taken) have walked away having looked into the face of a god the creationists only wish they had...the face of theories and equations and principles so far ahead of their time, with one of the fundamental inabilities of physicists made short work of for a friggin appetizer, and the vast majority of his biggest theories and principles put forth were written well before the 60&#039;s and the  beginnings of the NASA&#039;s actually useful progress.
Einstein called the man a genius, a prodigy, and it was in the early 20th century, through working on first the special, then the general relativity priciples, then later an attempt to reconcile them with quantum mechanics, that Heim stumbled upon the base of his ideas. He had to wait quite a few years before anyone had designed the equipment to test and prove his theories for calculating mass of certain tricky little particles. (&quot;Easy to do,&quot; you say? Just give you the relaxing of certain universal &quot;knowledge&quot;? Happy to. And you can have a few years to come up with your own relaxations in our body of knowledge. But be sure and make them all plausible, none yet truly unproveable, and THEN within your genius framework, please use your calculations , et al to calculate such figures with such accuracy accross the friggin board. I&#039;ll wait right here while you go do that--Dr. Heisenberg, I presume?)
Who am I to say he&#039;s right or wrong, and I&#039;ll bet everything on nothing at this point. But who the hell are most of you to deride him? (...or Phil, or anyone else who supplements their strict scientific regimental structure with a bit of hope for what we have yet to find and its possible correspondence with their own dreams for what we can accomplish? The same sort of dreams that have fueled--directly or otherwise--every scientific discovery we&#039;ve ever &quot;known&quot;. Which is precisely why the majority of you are, and will forever be, journalists and historians, and not an iota more.) Einstein would have walked out of this forum long ago. And I probably should have followed him without wasting my breath...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Preface:<br />
My view of &#8220;such things&#8221;&#8211;and all things, really&#8211;(since long before and til long after this discussion or any personal study on the matter, specifically&#8211;which occurred well in advance of AIAA&#8217;s conference) is one of logical skepticism, yet a firm realization that all ideas, theories, and even physical laws were at one time completely out of the question in accordance with the universe &#8220;as we know it&#8221;, and that yesterday&#8217;s science fiction has today become quite passe&#8217; in having dropped the &#8220;fiction&#8221;. As soon as a scientist has lost his curiosity AND his dreams AND the realization that he knows NOTHING in the broad scheme of things, he has ceased to be a scientist and has joined the ranks of ordinary scholars and historians and journalists whose job it is merely to stand back and document what is known thus far, rather than stand out on the edge and overturn for tomorrow what is &#8220;known&#8221; today. The fact that so many are so quick to downplay, sneer at, and even outright specifically attack an idea (that could be the possibility of a realization of the dreams of ANYONE who devotes their life to such studies to  such a degree as puts them at a level of knowledge and comprehensive ability to even speak on such things) such as this both comes as no surprise to me, and furthermore is ample indication as to why none of you (not all of you, but you know which ones &#8220;you&#8221; are) will ever be anything but armchair skeptics or maybe marginally influential contributors at best, regarding the overall flow and progression of what we &#8220;know&#8221; from year to year.<br />
For what its worth, Heim was a friggin genius who had the utmost respect of all who ever knew and worked with him, few as that may have been, considering his seclusionary lifestyle because of his multiple disfigurements and disabilities (that were a direct result, from his late teen years, of a very early-beginning and never-waning unbridled passion for discovery and intuitive, prodigious questioning of the universe, our place in it, and the validity of what we &#8220;know&#8221; compared to what we could possibly know and where it could take us. Don&#8217;t get me wrong: neither his natural genius nor his disabilities/disfigurement qualify his theories as valid, but his unending, conscious realization that humanity, and he in it, knows nothing compared to what we will know at some future time qualifies him as being far more of a logically realistic scientist and theorist than any who assume their station as not just skeptic, but some sort of holy, supreme, (unpublished&#8230;tsktsktsk), referee whose place it is to hip check the work of others, keeping them down at their  alotted station. Which one of you can actually explain the mathematics involved in Heim-Droscher Space? Even enough to even explain the fundamental link between gravity and electromagnetism and their dimensional origin? That would certainly at least put you in the running to win the &#8220;I have an inkling of a right to discredit ANYONE&#8221; award.<br />
Truth is, very few physicists have even heard of Heim or Droscher, much less read their work. It&#8217;s a vastly smaller-yet still proportion of the scientific community who have even been able to walk away from such a reading with anything other than a furrowed brow and perhaps a few nightmares of certain equations coming to get them and haunting the part of them that wants to know everything. But the few who have been able to be intellectually limber enough, yet have a firm enough grasp of theoretical physics (within the frame of the universe AS WE KNOW IT&#8212;with actually very few theoretical liberties taken) have walked away having looked into the face of a god the creationists only wish they had&#8230;the face of theories and equations and principles so far ahead of their time, with one of the fundamental inabilities of physicists made short work of for a friggin appetizer, and the vast majority of his biggest theories and principles put forth were written well before the 60&#8242;s and the  beginnings of the NASA&#8217;s actually useful progress.<br />
Einstein called the man a genius, a prodigy, and it was in the early 20th century, through working on first the special, then the general relativity priciples, then later an attempt to reconcile them with quantum mechanics, that Heim stumbled upon the base of his ideas. He had to wait quite a few years before anyone had designed the equipment to test and prove his theories for calculating mass of certain tricky little particles. (&#8220;Easy to do,&#8221; you say? Just give you the relaxing of certain universal &#8220;knowledge&#8221;? Happy to. And you can have a few years to come up with your own relaxations in our body of knowledge. But be sure and make them all plausible, none yet truly unproveable, and THEN within your genius framework, please use your calculations , et al to calculate such figures with such accuracy accross the friggin board. I&#8217;ll wait right here while you go do that&#8211;Dr. Heisenberg, I presume?)<br />
Who am I to say he&#8217;s right or wrong, and I&#8217;ll bet everything on nothing at this point. But who the hell are most of you to deride him? (&#8230;or Phil, or anyone else who supplements their strict scientific regimental structure with a bit of hope for what we have yet to find and its possible correspondence with their own dreams for what we can accomplish? The same sort of dreams that have fueled&#8211;directly or otherwise&#8211;every scientific discovery we&#8217;ve ever &#8220;known&#8221;. Which is precisely why the majority of you are, and will forever be, journalists and historians, and not an iota more.) Einstein would have walked out of this forum long ago. And I probably should have followed him without wasting my breath&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: FixedBack</title>
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		<dc:creator>FixedBack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jan 2006 20:12:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I, for one, will be perfectly content to sit here and watch until someone can come up with a provable excursion to ANYPLACE not on the face of this earth. Until then I&#039;m gonna keep reading sci-fi and hoping against hope that something provable finally happens.</description>
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		<title>By: HDeasy</title>
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		<description>Yes, when

Just noting all the comments above, a few points to clarify:

On predictions â€“ Heim theory has an outstanding prediction on the Neutrino masses. Either we measure neutrino masses more accurately to see if Heim&#039;s mass values are correct or we check the formidable maths background to the mass formula which has already reproduced the known masses to great accuracy using only G, h and c as input.

Also, if Heim-Droscher theory is right, there should be particles called gravito-photons transforming electromagnetic energy into gravitational in certain conditions. If an effect is seen at 25 Teslas in the coils as described in their experimental setup, this would be one prediction of the theory - without the need for that extra hyperspace effect. And note that Heim was emphatic about not wanted to violate energy conservation â€“ he was relieved that the theory gave no â€˜free energyâ€™  since, as he correctly noted, the environment is in enough of a mess from waste energy.

As for the number of dimensions - the full exposition does require 12 dimensions it seems. In the 8-D version, the energy density tensor has only 36 non-zero elements and so Heim justifies restriction to a 6 x 6 space. 6 x 6 is enough for the mass formula derivation. Quoting Hauser &amp; Droscher &quot;The dimensional law derived by Heim requires a 12-dimensional space, but the additional four coordinates are needed only in the explanation of the steering of probability amplitudes (information).&quot;

The surface element, the â€˜metronâ€™, is similar to that in LQG. Heim derives the need for it in his own calculations. Hopefully they can soon be published in the standard journals to see if they are plausible.

In Heim theory, particles are stable distortions in the 6-D metron lattice - the &#039;condensation&#039; that results in a particle involves projection from 6 dimensional structures on 4-D. I confess that the details of this are hard to understand and I haven&#039;t got that far yet. Charge is associated with a partial-metric: the full metric is a &#039;poly-metric&#039;, with the normal g(i,j) of gravity and others for the other forces. That part is rather elegant and not at all &#039;ugly&#039;. Heim acknowledged Kaluza-Klein theory as having the right idea. Only for Heim the extra dimensions are not compacted - there are 3 normal space dimensions, 3 time-like dimensions (including normal time) and the rest of an &#039;organisational&#039; nature, having to do with quantum probabilities etc.

Von Ludwiger is working on transcribing tapes of Heim speaking on all this (in German admittedly) and wants to then have it translated into English and published as an introduction. Apparently when he talks about it, it&#039;s much easier to understand where he&#039;s coming from.

On the issues mentioned by Stuard above â€“ these are repeating the discussion we already had in Wikipedia talk pages on Heim â€“ see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Heim_theory and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Burkhard_Heim</description>
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<p>Just noting all the comments above, a few points to clarify:</p>
<p>On predictions â€“ Heim theory has an outstanding prediction on the Neutrino masses. Either we measure neutrino masses more accurately to see if Heim&#8217;s mass values are correct or we check the formidable maths background to the mass formula which has already reproduced the known masses to great accuracy using only G, h and c as input.</p>
<p>Also, if Heim-Droscher theory is right, there should be particles called gravito-photons transforming electromagnetic energy into gravitational in certain conditions. If an effect is seen at 25 Teslas in the coils as described in their experimental setup, this would be one prediction of the theory &#8211; without the need for that extra hyperspace effect. And note that Heim was emphatic about not wanted to violate energy conservation â€“ he was relieved that the theory gave no â€˜free energyâ€™  since, as he correctly noted, the environment is in enough of a mess from waste energy.</p>
<p>As for the number of dimensions &#8211; the full exposition does require 12 dimensions it seems. In the 8-D version, the energy density tensor has only 36 non-zero elements and so Heim justifies restriction to a 6 x 6 space. 6 x 6 is enough for the mass formula derivation. Quoting Hauser &amp; Droscher &#8220;The dimensional law derived by Heim requires a 12-dimensional space, but the additional four coordinates are needed only in the explanation of the steering of probability amplitudes (information).&#8221;</p>
<p>The surface element, the â€˜metronâ€™, is similar to that in LQG. Heim derives the need for it in his own calculations. Hopefully they can soon be published in the standard journals to see if they are plausible.</p>
<p>In Heim theory, particles are stable distortions in the 6-D metron lattice &#8211; the &#8216;condensation&#8217; that results in a particle involves projection from 6 dimensional structures on 4-D. I confess that the details of this are hard to understand and I haven&#8217;t got that far yet. Charge is associated with a partial-metric: the full metric is a &#8216;poly-metric&#8217;, with the normal g(i,j) of gravity and others for the other forces. That part is rather elegant and not at all &#8216;ugly&#8217;. Heim acknowledged Kaluza-Klein theory as having the right idea. Only for Heim the extra dimensions are not compacted &#8211; there are 3 normal space dimensions, 3 time-like dimensions (including normal time) and the rest of an &#8216;organisational&#8217; nature, having to do with quantum probabilities etc.</p>
<p>Von Ludwiger is working on transcribing tapes of Heim speaking on all this (in German admittedly) and wants to then have it translated into English and published as an introduction. Apparently when he talks about it, it&#8217;s much easier to understand where he&#8217;s coming from.</p>
<p>On the issues mentioned by Stuard above â€“ these are repeating the discussion we already had in Wikipedia talk pages on Heim â€“ see <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Heim_theory" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Heim_theory</a> and <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Burkhard_Heim" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Burkhard_Heim</a></p>
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		<title>By: Keith Douglas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Keith Douglas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jan 2006 17:23:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Predicting&quot; the particle masses from &quot;first principles&quot; is easy if you are allowed to make up anything whatever, unconstrained by what is known about the universe. Just assume that the masses are describable as the roots of an arbitrary polynominal, and then run a computer program to do nonlinear regression to find it.

This shows the falsity of some forms of empiricism, incidentally, since the polynominal would meet the goal of &quot;acting as a data summary&quot;. One also wants what is sometimes called &quot;consilience&quot; and other, transempirical, virtues.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Predicting&#8221; the particle masses from &#8220;first principles&#8221; is easy if you are allowed to make up anything whatever, unconstrained by what is known about the universe. Just assume that the masses are describable as the roots of an arbitrary polynominal, and then run a computer program to do nonlinear regression to find it.</p>
<p>This shows the falsity of some forms of empiricism, incidentally, since the polynominal would meet the goal of &#8220;acting as a data summary&#8221;. One also wants what is sometimes called &#8220;consilience&#8221; and other, transempirical, virtues.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Cambias</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim Cambias</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jan 2006 04:52:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It sounds as if the Heim theory is currently fringe science, but isn&#039;t quite crackpot science yet.  Once it gets scientifically disproved it will immediately become _the_ crackpot science theory, displacing Tesla (who is getting a bit long in the tooth by now).  I mean, it&#039;s perfect -- you can come up with parallels to all the existing flying-saucer jargon, the Philadelphia Experiment, everything!

Until then, it does at least provide us fiction writers with a new name for our rubber-science spacedrives.

JLC</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It sounds as if the Heim theory is currently fringe science, but isn&#8217;t quite crackpot science yet.  Once it gets scientifically disproved it will immediately become _the_ crackpot science theory, displacing Tesla (who is getting a bit long in the tooth by now).  I mean, it&#8217;s perfect &#8212; you can come up with parallels to all the existing flying-saucer jargon, the Philadelphia Experiment, everything!</p>
<p>Until then, it does at least provide us fiction writers with a new name for our rubber-science spacedrives.</p>
<p>JLC</p>
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		<title>By: AndreasB</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jan 2006 23:50:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;I think thatâ€™s what we would call a â€œtypoâ€. I suspect the intent was â€œmore â€˜bloggingâ€.

Or possibly moblogging, as in blogging from a mobile device such as a PDA or cell phone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;I think thatâ€™s what we would call a â€œtypoâ€. I suspect the intent was â€œmore â€˜bloggingâ€.</p>
<p>Or possibly moblogging, as in blogging from a mobile device such as a PDA or cell phone.</p>
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		<title>By: JohnB</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jan 2006 14:02:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>New Scientist magazine has a useful commentary on this paper - see http://www.newscientistspace.com/article/mg18925331.200.  There is an interesting parallel with Einstein in that one of the authors is an ex-patent examiner !

JB</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>New Scientist magazine has a useful commentary on this paper &#8211; see <a href="http://www.newscientistspace.com/article/mg18925331.200" rel="nofollow">http://www.newscientistspace.com/article/mg18925331.200</a>.  There is an interesting parallel with Einstein in that one of the authors is an ex-patent examiner !</p>
<p>JB</p>
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		<title>By: BB</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jan 2006 22:56:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If I were a betting man, I would place a rather large wager that this theory will not work out.</description>
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		<title>By: Irishman</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jan 2006 20:42:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Traci Leigh Said:
&gt;if faster than the speed of light travel actually is accomplished at sometime, do you suppose it would be called â€œwarp speedâ€ after the startrek terminology? i hope notâ€¦â€¦

I suppose it all depends upon the manner in which said FTL is accomplished, and perhaps the fancy of the person making the discovery. Said person may choose to call it Warp Drive out of homage to ST, or he might prefer Hyperspace as an allusion to Star Wars.  Or he might think Weber&#039;s got the better terminology with Warshawski sails and hyper walls.

And if you go back to the original ST pilot, you&#039;ll find the actual term was Time Warp Drive, but that got truncated to obfuscate the time element.

Jon Niehof, I followed that link to the BPPP.  Poking around, I came up with this on submitting ideas/papers for screening:

http://www.grc.nasa.gov/WWW/bpp/faq.htm

Scroll down to Credibility Screening Criteria.  Lots of nice sounding stuff, but especially this:

(e) Investigation of an Unconfirmed Anomalous Effect:
In cases where an anomalous effect is being discussed that has NOT YET BEEN CONFIRMED in the literature, it is mandatory that the author concentrates on the experimental methods for isolating the effect rather than speculating on a new theory to describe the unconfirmed effect. (No jumping to conclusions!)  To demonstrate that the author is fully aware of why the effect is anomalous, they must cite references for the relevant current theories.  The author must acknowledge possible conventional explanations of the anomaly, and the steps needed (or already taken) for a discriminating test.  A discriminating test must be suggested that could distinguish between possible conventional explanations or whether this is a genuine new effect.  In cases where the author is challenging negative test results that have already been published, the author must cite these references and explain why the prior tests were incomplete or why a reinvestigation is warranted.  Also, the author must explain why the effect (if genuine) might be advantageous to the propulsion challenges.


All of the posted evaluation criteria seem reasonable for playing scientifically on the frontier.  Somehow this latest paper doesn&#039;t seem to quite fit.  Note that the BPPP is no longer funded, and this paper&#039;s reference to it was more along the lines of &quot;we would meet the BPPP goals&quot; than &quot;we&#039;ve been approved by BPPP&quot;.  So basically they self-evaluated on whether they meet the BPPP challenge statement for type of space drive, but there&#039;s no equivalent evaluation of if they meet the criteria for approval that BPPP holds.

Alex Lyman Said:
&gt;If this theory, or one of the underlying theories its based off of (or any other theory, for that matter) are shown to violate so-called â€œlawsâ€ (I believe so-far in this comment list were conservation of energy and momentum), they should not be automatically be put down as completely inaccurate â€” I believe the theories should still be tested in some way. If it comes down to it, and the theories garner some sort of supporting evidence, those laws should be reconsidered in the light of new non-supporting evidence. Remember: in science, nothing is outside the reach of further evidence.

This is a touchy matter.  On the one hand, you are fully correct, nothing in science is beyond reconsideration in light of new evidence.  Even the dreaded Conservation Laws are not above reproach.  However, there is something to be said for the skeptic dictum, &quot;Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.&quot;  Or to rephrase, any claim requires the amount and strength of evidence that is equivalent to the amount of evidence that it controverts.  If I say I walked to the bank this afternoon, you have no reason to doubt me, and my claim doesn&#039;t violate any known rules or expectations (except maybe why an American would &lt;i&gt;walk&lt;/i&gt; anywhere).  But if I said I &lt;i&gt;levitated&lt;/i&gt; to the bank, it would take more than a bank statement to convince you that I am telling the truth. The bank statement would confirm my trip to the bank, but it wouldn&#039;t confirm the method of my claim - levitation.

The Conservation Laws are firmly established and well-supported, so any proposal to violate them must be considered very critically.  Any evidence of supposed violation must be scrutinized for any possible means of error.  If some violation truly does emerge, it must be considered if there is some greater entertwining that has not yet been uncovered, such that some larger Conservation Law remains unviolated, e.g. Conservation of Matter being tied to Conservation of Energy.

geoff Said:
&gt;If physics could allow us to accomplish this, I highly doubt weâ€™d be able to find the energy or money to do so.

Yes, in order to make some of the bigger ideas of SF viable (if the physics ever allows them), we will need a revolution in economics and power generation.  However, a revolution in power generation would likely lead to the necessary revolution in economics.  If power production were suddenly increased by a factor of 100 without any gross increase in costs, the per kiloWatt cost would be dropped by the same factor.  That&#039;s practically unlimited, cheap energy from our current perspective.  (Of course that&#039;s a fantasy projection, but the result is valid.)


Lwindjwla Thaliazalor Said:
&gt;All this high-falutinâ€™ science is all very well, but what i really want to know is, what on earth or nearby planets is â€œmoâ€™bloggingâ€?

I think that&#039;s what we would call a &quot;typo&quot;.  I suspect the intent was &quot;more &#039;blogging&quot;.

Carnifex, I think the quote was, &quot;The missing link between monkeys and intelligent beings is ... us.&quot;

JusANuttaBackYahdah Said:
&gt;You know somewhere I remember being taught that way back a lot of smart folk thought Columbus was going to sail off the edgeâ€¦.who knewâ€¦and who knows?

This is another one of those misconceptions that many people seem to have been taught.  None of the educated people of his time thought Columbus was going to sail off the edge of the world.  They all knew the Earth was round by then.  The real question was whether Columbus could actually reach anywhere by sailing west.  You see, everyone knew about where the Indies had to be, but nobody knew there was anything between Europe and there in that direction.  The trouble was, Columbus was relying on faulty calculations and believed the Earth was about half the diameter it is.  So he thought he could get the Indies with enough supplies (water, food) to make it, whereas the balky backers didn&#039;t think he could carry enough supplies to make it there, because they had different calculations.  So Columbus made his voyage because he convinced the Queen of Spain that he was right, and then accidentally and fortuitously found inhabited islands at about where he thought he would find the Indies.  Thus he lived to return and make history work out correctly.  ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Traci Leigh Said:<br />
&gt;if faster than the speed of light travel actually is accomplished at sometime, do you suppose it would be called â€œwarp speedâ€ after the startrek terminology? i hope notâ€¦â€¦</p>
<p>I suppose it all depends upon the manner in which said FTL is accomplished, and perhaps the fancy of the person making the discovery. Said person may choose to call it Warp Drive out of homage to ST, or he might prefer Hyperspace as an allusion to Star Wars.  Or he might think Weber&#8217;s got the better terminology with Warshawski sails and hyper walls.</p>
<p>And if you go back to the original ST pilot, you&#8217;ll find the actual term was Time Warp Drive, but that got truncated to obfuscate the time element.</p>
<p>Jon Niehof, I followed that link to the BPPP.  Poking around, I came up with this on submitting ideas/papers for screening:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.grc.nasa.gov/WWW/bpp/faq.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.grc.nasa.gov/WWW/bpp/faq.htm</a></p>
<p>Scroll down to Credibility Screening Criteria.  Lots of nice sounding stuff, but especially this:</p>
<p>(e) Investigation of an Unconfirmed Anomalous Effect:<br />
In cases where an anomalous effect is being discussed that has NOT YET BEEN CONFIRMED in the literature, it is mandatory that the author concentrates on the experimental methods for isolating the effect rather than speculating on a new theory to describe the unconfirmed effect. (No jumping to conclusions!)  To demonstrate that the author is fully aware of why the effect is anomalous, they must cite references for the relevant current theories.  The author must acknowledge possible conventional explanations of the anomaly, and the steps needed (or already taken) for a discriminating test.  A discriminating test must be suggested that could distinguish between possible conventional explanations or whether this is a genuine new effect.  In cases where the author is challenging negative test results that have already been published, the author must cite these references and explain why the prior tests were incomplete or why a reinvestigation is warranted.  Also, the author must explain why the effect (if genuine) might be advantageous to the propulsion challenges.</p>
<p>All of the posted evaluation criteria seem reasonable for playing scientifically on the frontier.  Somehow this latest paper doesn&#8217;t seem to quite fit.  Note that the BPPP is no longer funded, and this paper&#8217;s reference to it was more along the lines of &#8220;we would meet the BPPP goals&#8221; than &#8220;we&#8217;ve been approved by BPPP&#8221;.  So basically they self-evaluated on whether they meet the BPPP challenge statement for type of space drive, but there&#8217;s no equivalent evaluation of if they meet the criteria for approval that BPPP holds.</p>
<p>Alex Lyman Said:<br />
&gt;If this theory, or one of the underlying theories its based off of (or any other theory, for that matter) are shown to violate so-called â€œlawsâ€ (I believe so-far in this comment list were conservation of energy and momentum), they should not be automatically be put down as completely inaccurate â€” I believe the theories should still be tested in some way. If it comes down to it, and the theories garner some sort of supporting evidence, those laws should be reconsidered in the light of new non-supporting evidence. Remember: in science, nothing is outside the reach of further evidence.</p>
<p>This is a touchy matter.  On the one hand, you are fully correct, nothing in science is beyond reconsideration in light of new evidence.  Even the dreaded Conservation Laws are not above reproach.  However, there is something to be said for the skeptic dictum, &#8220;Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.&#8221;  Or to rephrase, any claim requires the amount and strength of evidence that is equivalent to the amount of evidence that it controverts.  If I say I walked to the bank this afternoon, you have no reason to doubt me, and my claim doesn&#8217;t violate any known rules or expectations (except maybe why an American would <i>walk</i> anywhere).  But if I said I <i>levitated</i> to the bank, it would take more than a bank statement to convince you that I am telling the truth. The bank statement would confirm my trip to the bank, but it wouldn&#8217;t confirm the method of my claim &#8211; levitation.</p>
<p>The Conservation Laws are firmly established and well-supported, so any proposal to violate them must be considered very critically.  Any evidence of supposed violation must be scrutinized for any possible means of error.  If some violation truly does emerge, it must be considered if there is some greater entertwining that has not yet been uncovered, such that some larger Conservation Law remains unviolated, e.g. Conservation of Matter being tied to Conservation of Energy.</p>
<p>geoff Said:<br />
&gt;If physics could allow us to accomplish this, I highly doubt weâ€™d be able to find the energy or money to do so.</p>
<p>Yes, in order to make some of the bigger ideas of SF viable (if the physics ever allows them), we will need a revolution in economics and power generation.  However, a revolution in power generation would likely lead to the necessary revolution in economics.  If power production were suddenly increased by a factor of 100 without any gross increase in costs, the per kiloWatt cost would be dropped by the same factor.  That&#8217;s practically unlimited, cheap energy from our current perspective.  (Of course that&#8217;s a fantasy projection, but the result is valid.)</p>
<p>Lwindjwla Thaliazalor Said:<br />
&gt;All this high-falutinâ€™ science is all very well, but what i really want to know is, what on earth or nearby planets is â€œmoâ€™bloggingâ€?</p>
<p>I think that&#8217;s what we would call a &#8220;typo&#8221;.  I suspect the intent was &#8220;more &#8216;blogging&#8221;.</p>
<p>Carnifex, I think the quote was, &#8220;The missing link between monkeys and intelligent beings is &#8230; us.&#8221;</p>
<p>JusANuttaBackYahdah Said:<br />
&gt;You know somewhere I remember being taught that way back a lot of smart folk thought Columbus was going to sail off the edgeâ€¦.who knewâ€¦and who knows?</p>
<p>This is another one of those misconceptions that many people seem to have been taught.  None of the educated people of his time thought Columbus was going to sail off the edge of the world.  They all knew the Earth was round by then.  The real question was whether Columbus could actually reach anywhere by sailing west.  You see, everyone knew about where the Indies had to be, but nobody knew there was anything between Europe and there in that direction.  The trouble was, Columbus was relying on faulty calculations and believed the Earth was about half the diameter it is.  So he thought he could get the Indies with enough supplies (water, food) to make it, whereas the balky backers didn&#8217;t think he could carry enough supplies to make it there, because they had different calculations.  So Columbus made his voyage because he convinced the Queen of Spain that he was right, and then accidentally and fortuitously found inhabited islands at about where he thought he would find the Indies.  Thus he lived to return and make history work out correctly.  <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: John B. Sandlin</title>
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		<dc:creator>John B. Sandlin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jan 2006 08:17:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I should probably add that I&#039;m not sure that study was called &lt;b&gt;information theory&lt;/b&gt; - I read this bit quite a while back.  The nutshell is that science technique, knowledge, and technology reach a kind of &lt;b&gt;critical mass&lt;/b&gt; such that one of the genius level individuals of the time will figure out the thing that the technique, knowledge, and technology lead to.  In the early 1900&#039;s it was Einstein.

If the library in Alexandria had not been burned in the early Christian Era it&#039;s possible that the genius level accomplishments of Newton and Einstein would have happened centuries earlier.

jbs</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I should probably add that I&#8217;m not sure that study was called <b>information theory</b> &#8211; I read this bit quite a while back.  The nutshell is that science technique, knowledge, and technology reach a kind of <b>critical mass</b> such that one of the genius level individuals of the time will figure out the thing that the technique, knowledge, and technology lead to.  In the early 1900&#8242;s it was Einstein.</p>
<p>If the library in Alexandria had not been burned in the early Christian Era it&#8217;s possible that the genius level accomplishments of Newton and Einstein would have happened centuries earlier.</p>
<p>jbs</p>
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