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	<title>Comments on: Deutsch, noch einmal</title>
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	<description>I am an astronomer, writer, and skeptic. I likes reality the way it is, and I aims to keep it that way. My real name is Phil Plait, and I run the Bad Astronomy blog.</description>
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		<title>By: Matt Behring</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2006/02/08/deutch-noch-einmal/comment-page-1/#comment-11483</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt Behring</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Mar 2006 18:57:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Phew, what a ride. I&#039;ve been busy and just found this set of blogs about Deutsch, and let me tell you, I have never had such a rapid swing of emotions. Pure anger and outrage straight to joy and elation that he resigned.

I think one of the most puzzling things (that I haven&#039;t seen anyone mention but might have been) is how this guy was even appointed in the first place. As a Junior in college myself I cannot imagine the President of the United States ACTUALLY WANTING TO APPOINT ME TO A NATIONAL POLITICAL POSITION! Does this not outrage everyone as much as the fact that he was incompetent? He was also dangerously unqualified. This seems to be a pattern of this president; to appoint the most unqualified cronies he can find in his address book. This kid should have declined the position in the first place, but maybe that is asking too much maybe he should have just relied on the expeirence of those around him. The point is he did neither. At what&#039;s more hilarious is that he got caught lying.

I think this battle between Religion and Science can only get worse for those in the scienetific fields. We have to realize that Religion has a clear advantage in any argument between the two:

Any argument they make reqires no evidence or logic to support it.

PERIOD

We can&#039;t win this fight. We require evidence, logic, or reality to influence our judgement. This is a sad state of affairs and I know it is hard to accept. Our only option is to follow in the footsteps of all scientists past and go underground. Not immediately of course but we should be prepared to resort to this. Religion is ever growing in this country and religious people have religious children. They outnumber us and probably always will.

I do fear the day when we will be called &quot;heratic&quot; for speaking the truth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Phew, what a ride. I&#8217;ve been busy and just found this set of blogs about Deutsch, and let me tell you, I have never had such a rapid swing of emotions. Pure anger and outrage straight to joy and elation that he resigned.</p>
<p>I think one of the most puzzling things (that I haven&#8217;t seen anyone mention but might have been) is how this guy was even appointed in the first place. As a Junior in college myself I cannot imagine the President of the United States ACTUALLY WANTING TO APPOINT ME TO A NATIONAL POLITICAL POSITION! Does this not outrage everyone as much as the fact that he was incompetent? He was also dangerously unqualified. This seems to be a pattern of this president; to appoint the most unqualified cronies he can find in his address book. This kid should have declined the position in the first place, but maybe that is asking too much maybe he should have just relied on the expeirence of those around him. The point is he did neither. At what&#8217;s more hilarious is that he got caught lying.</p>
<p>I think this battle between Religion and Science can only get worse for those in the scienetific fields. We have to realize that Religion has a clear advantage in any argument between the two:</p>
<p>Any argument they make reqires no evidence or logic to support it.</p>
<p>PERIOD</p>
<p>We can&#8217;t win this fight. We require evidence, logic, or reality to influence our judgement. This is a sad state of affairs and I know it is hard to accept. Our only option is to follow in the footsteps of all scientists past and go underground. Not immediately of course but we should be prepared to resort to this. Religion is ever growing in this country and religious people have religious children. They outnumber us and probably always will.</p>
<p>I do fear the day when we will be called &#8220;heratic&#8221; for speaking the truth.</p>
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		<title>By: donnert</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2006/02/08/deutch-noch-einmal/comment-page-1/#comment-11482</link>
		<dc:creator>donnert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Feb 2006 17:07:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really suck at German (as you noticed). I knew &quot;auf Deutsch&quot; means &quot;in german&quot;. Good catch on my mistake, I will now burn myself in shame</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really suck at German (as you noticed). I knew &#8220;auf Deutsch&#8221; means &#8220;in german&#8221;. Good catch on my mistake, I will now burn myself in shame</p>
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		<title>By: beskeptigal</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2006/02/08/deutch-noch-einmal/comment-page-1/#comment-11480</link>
		<dc:creator>beskeptigal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Feb 2006 08:12:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Irishman has offered the explanation for me, P Ed M. Thanks. :) I think P Ed M and I are both misreading the posts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Irishman has offered the explanation for me, P Ed M. Thanks. <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  I think P Ed M and I are both misreading the posts.</p>
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		<title>By: Berkeley</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2006/02/08/deutch-noch-einmal/comment-page-1/#comment-11481</link>
		<dc:creator>Berkeley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Feb 2006 21:58:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>donnert:

LÃ¶Ã¶k, I have Umlaug-signs on my computer!

Auf Deutsch is supposed to mean &quot;in German&quot;, which is also a language (hence, I guess, &quot;noch einmal&quot; above). Whether a blog post is called a Post in German too, I do not know.

I don&#039;t mind if you call me Dumbass. I usually have a lot of self irony.

Btw, you forgot the verb at the end of the sentence. I can put it in here for you (sometimes, you know, in German, you find the verb on the next page): haben.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>donnert:</p>
<p>LÃ¶Ã¶k, I have Umlaug-signs on my computer!</p>
<p>Auf Deutsch is supposed to mean &#8220;in German&#8221;, which is also a language (hence, I guess, &#8220;noch einmal&#8221; above). Whether a blog post is called a Post in German too, I do not know.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t mind if you call me Dumbass. I usually have a lot of self irony.</p>
<p>Btw, you forgot the verb at the end of the sentence. I can put it in here for you (sometimes, you know, in German, you find the verb on the next page): haben.</p>
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		<title>By: Irishman</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2006/02/08/deutch-noch-einmal/comment-page-1/#comment-11479</link>
		<dc:creator>Irishman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Feb 2006 19:39:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>P. Edward Murray, email or three was an exaggeration.  Yeah, he probably got dozens if not hundreds of emails.  And from his remarks, bad publicity influenced his decision, though I think it was probably more the blogs than emails directly to him.  I still think that the real motivation is beating the fired button with the resigned button. Sort of the old, &quot;We&#039;re giving you this opportunity to resign.  Take it.&quot; But I could be wrong.  I just don&#039;t think your stern words had much effect in themselves, getting him to evaluate his opinions of himself and his behavior.

As for beskeptigal&#039;s remarks, I think she was addressing your response to me.  You seemed to imply that he left because of the criticism, not because NASA found out he was lying and could fire him for it.  She is agreeing with me that lying on your resume can and often will get you fired.  You apparently agree, just feel that in this case there were other, more important factors.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>P. Edward Murray, email or three was an exaggeration.  Yeah, he probably got dozens if not hundreds of emails.  And from his remarks, bad publicity influenced his decision, though I think it was probably more the blogs than emails directly to him.  I still think that the real motivation is beating the fired button with the resigned button. Sort of the old, &#8220;We&#8217;re giving you this opportunity to resign.  Take it.&#8221; But I could be wrong.  I just don&#8217;t think your stern words had much effect in themselves, getting him to evaluate his opinions of himself and his behavior.</p>
<p>As for beskeptigal&#8217;s remarks, I think she was addressing your response to me.  You seemed to imply that he left because of the criticism, not because NASA found out he was lying and could fire him for it.  She is agreeing with me that lying on your resume can and often will get you fired.  You apparently agree, just feel that in this case there were other, more important factors.</p>
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		<title>By: P. Edward Murray</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2006/02/08/deutch-noch-einmal/comment-page-1/#comment-11478</link>
		<dc:creator>P. Edward Murray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Feb 2006 16:34:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Beskeptigal,

I&#039;m not sure I understand you either...

I am not certain I understand how anyone can say they are a graduate when they are not.  Surely this is a big deal.

When I was hired as a aide to a City Councilman, it was because I worked very hard on his campaign and he knew I was still a Senior in College.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Beskeptigal,</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure I understand you either&#8230;</p>
<p>I am not certain I understand how anyone can say they are a graduate when they are not.  Surely this is a big deal.</p>
<p>When I was hired as a aide to a City Councilman, it was because I worked very hard on his campaign and he knew I was still a Senior in College.</p>
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		<title>By: beskeptigal</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2006/02/08/deutch-noch-einmal/comment-page-1/#comment-11448</link>
		<dc:creator>beskeptigal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Feb 2006 07:00:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>P. Ed. M., I&#039;m not sure I get your post. If your resume says you have a college degree, and it is discovered you don&#039;t have that degree, very few employers would not tell you to leave.

That&#039;s funny, Mike. A little crude, but funny.

Hawk, you seem to doubt the scientific evidence that the global temperature is  rising and/or CO2 emissions are related, per your comment, &quot;I think that in 20 years, when the planet starts cooling again, these arguments may look pretty foolish.&quot; Yet the majority of scientists who have looked at the data are of the opinion the climate is indeed warming in response to atmospheric CO2 levels.

Yet you think Hansen, presenting research and conclusions he believes in, supported by the fact that the majority of the relative scientific community also believes to be correct, is political? Why? Because you don&#039;t like the results?

I fear it is you who are allowing your political position to cloud the glasses you peer through.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>P. Ed. M., I&#8217;m not sure I get your post. If your resume says you have a college degree, and it is discovered you don&#8217;t have that degree, very few employers would not tell you to leave.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s funny, Mike. A little crude, but funny.</p>
<p>Hawk, you seem to doubt the scientific evidence that the global temperature is  rising and/or CO2 emissions are related, per your comment, &#8220;I think that in 20 years, when the planet starts cooling again, these arguments may look pretty foolish.&#8221; Yet the majority of scientists who have looked at the data are of the opinion the climate is indeed warming in response to atmospheric CO2 levels.</p>
<p>Yet you think Hansen, presenting research and conclusions he believes in, supported by the fact that the majority of the relative scientific community also believes to be correct, is political? Why? Because you don&#8217;t like the results?</p>
<p>I fear it is you who are allowing your political position to cloud the glasses you peer through.</p>
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