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	<title>Comments on: People at NASA must be breathing a sigh of relief&#8230;</title>
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	<description>I am an astronomer, writer, and skeptic. I likes reality the way it is, and I aims to keep it that way. My real name is Phil Plait, and I run the Bad Astronomy blog.</description>
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		<title>By: Another Bush flunkie at NASA &#171; Unconventional Individualist</title>
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		<dc:creator>Another Bush flunkie at NASA &#171; Unconventional Individualist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Aug 2007 16:50:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Jane Cherry, a Karl Rove staffer, is now NASAâ€™s White House liaison. Itâ€™s unclear if, like George Deutsch, she is totally unqualified for the job, or, like Patrick Rhode, she was placed there to get her [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Jane Cherry, a Karl Rove staffer, is now NASAâ€™s White House liaison. Itâ€™s unclear if, like George Deutsch, she is totally unqualified for the job, or, like Patrick Rhode, she was placed there to get her [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Astrolink [Global Edition] &#187; Another Bush flunkie at NASA &#124; Latest astronomy news in 11 languages</title>
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		<dc:creator>Astrolink [Global Edition] &#187; Another Bush flunkie at NASA &#124; Latest astronomy news in 11 languages</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Aug 2007 22:01:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Jane Cherry, a Karl Rove staffer, is now NASA&#8217;s White liaison. It&#8217;s unclear if, like George Deutsch, she is totally unqualified for the job, or, like Patrick Rhode, she was placed there to get her [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Jane Cherry, a Karl Rove staffer, is now NASA&#8217;s White liaison. It&#8217;s unclear if, like George Deutsch, she is totally unqualified for the job, or, like Patrick Rhode, she was placed there to get her [...]</p>
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		<title>By: rants.psychoticpineapples.com &#187; Blog Archive &#187; In Defense of Science</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2006/02/10/people-at-nasa-must-be-breathing-a-sigh-of-relief/comment-page-2/#comment-11566</link>
		<dc:creator>rants.psychoticpineapples.com &#187; Blog Archive &#187; In Defense of Science</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Apr 2006 14:17:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I think that it&#8217;s pretty clear as to what side of the evolution debate he is coming down on, no? What about the suppression of information coming out of NASA on the subject of global warming by a Bush Administration appointee as in the Deutsch affair. Or how about the load of crap that is &#8220;faith-based&#8221; funding of anything&#8230;.. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] I think that it&#8217;s pretty clear as to what side of the evolution debate he is coming down on, no? What about the suppression of information coming out of NASA on the subject of global warming by a Bush Administration appointee as in the Deutsch affair. Or how about the load of crap that is &#8220;faith-based&#8221; funding of anything&#8230;.. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Irishman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Irishman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Feb 2006 01:41:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SUPER M Said:
&gt;actually if you looked in the front of the book it would tell you that some parts are true like all the books dan brown writes,which includes that there is something missing from the big bang:time zero, thats where god comes in.

Oh please, that&#039;s like any tv movie &quot;based on a true story&quot; - there&#039;s some tiny nugget of truth in some event that occurred and some of the names, but everything else is fiction.  Heck, let&#039;s take a case study, the movie &quot;Black Hawk Down&quot;.  This is based upon a real event, where there is tons of documentation of the people who were there, what really happened, who did what, etc.  Yet the movie by necessity makes composite characters, generates dialogue that wasn&#039;t recorded and couldn&#039;t be specifically remembered any more than any random conversation anyone has daily.  The major facts are correct, but the characters are as much a creation of the actors portraying them as the actual people whom they represent.  And that&#039;s something we KNOW is real.

Dan Brown has taken a few historical facts, much speculation and debate, and a rather different interpretation of some events and generated a fictional story with fictional characters to carry out his plot meant for entertainment.  But what parts are real and what are from Dan Brown&#039;s head are not identified - you have to figure that out for yourself.

As for the existence of a god or gods, the arguments for and against stand indepent and prior to that book, and that book offers nothing new.  If you wish to interpret the Big Bang as a sign of God&#039;s handiwork, that&#039;s your perogative, but stating that is a fact is an abuse of the word &quot;fact&quot;.

And your declaration &quot;theres only 1 god and the bibles true&quot; is pure opinion that has little justification based upon evidence.


Keith Douglas Said:
&gt;To say that the Big Bang marks the beginning of the universe in the original sense of universe is unscientific ...

We&#039;re stuck in a perpetual chase for adequate terminology.  Used to be that the word &quot;world&quot; was lare enough to encompass &quot;everything that exists&quot;.  Then we figured out there was a Solar System.  Then we discovered that there was a galaxy - &lt;i&gt;the&lt;/i&gt; Milky Way.  Then we figured out that some of those fuzzy nebula were &lt;i&gt;other&lt;/i&gt; galaxies, all part of some larger entity we termed &quot;universe&quot;.  Now we&#039;re figuring out that what we&#039;ve been calling the &quot;universe&quot; to mean &quot;everything that exists&quot; isn&#039;t a complete picture.  There could be something beyond/outside it - we don&#039;t really know, and can only speculate.  That demands another term, though.

There is this alternate word for &quot;everything that exists&quot; that is common enough in astronomy circles - Cosmos.  We could talk about the Cosmos, and our Universe within it.  Or we could polish up some words for our pocket of reality that is our &quot;observable universe&quot;, our &quot;Hubble Volume&quot;, or whatever and try to separate that from the &quot;actual Universe&quot;.  But the common use of the term Universe to apply to the zone of being where our laws of nature run consistent and fundamental constants appear constant is equivalent to the Hubble Volume, or whatever words you wish to use.  Ergo, the confusion in terminology.  Of course, we try to reserve Cosmos to mean everything, and then we&#039;ll find some suggestive reason why what we&#039;ve been referring to as everything is incomplete, and we&#039;ll need a new word. ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SUPER M Said:<br />
&gt;actually if you looked in the front of the book it would tell you that some parts are true like all the books dan brown writes,which includes that there is something missing from the big bang:time zero, thats where god comes in.</p>
<p>Oh please, that&#8217;s like any tv movie &#8220;based on a true story&#8221; &#8211; there&#8217;s some tiny nugget of truth in some event that occurred and some of the names, but everything else is fiction.  Heck, let&#8217;s take a case study, the movie &#8220;Black Hawk Down&#8221;.  This is based upon a real event, where there is tons of documentation of the people who were there, what really happened, who did what, etc.  Yet the movie by necessity makes composite characters, generates dialogue that wasn&#8217;t recorded and couldn&#8217;t be specifically remembered any more than any random conversation anyone has daily.  The major facts are correct, but the characters are as much a creation of the actors portraying them as the actual people whom they represent.  And that&#8217;s something we KNOW is real.</p>
<p>Dan Brown has taken a few historical facts, much speculation and debate, and a rather different interpretation of some events and generated a fictional story with fictional characters to carry out his plot meant for entertainment.  But what parts are real and what are from Dan Brown&#8217;s head are not identified &#8211; you have to figure that out for yourself.</p>
<p>As for the existence of a god or gods, the arguments for and against stand indepent and prior to that book, and that book offers nothing new.  If you wish to interpret the Big Bang as a sign of God&#8217;s handiwork, that&#8217;s your perogative, but stating that is a fact is an abuse of the word &#8220;fact&#8221;.</p>
<p>And your declaration &#8220;theres only 1 god and the bibles true&#8221; is pure opinion that has little justification based upon evidence.</p>
<p>Keith Douglas Said:<br />
&gt;To say that the Big Bang marks the beginning of the universe in the original sense of universe is unscientific &#8230;</p>
<p>We&#8217;re stuck in a perpetual chase for adequate terminology.  Used to be that the word &#8220;world&#8221; was lare enough to encompass &#8220;everything that exists&#8221;.  Then we figured out there was a Solar System.  Then we discovered that there was a galaxy &#8211; <i>the</i> Milky Way.  Then we figured out that some of those fuzzy nebula were <i>other</i> galaxies, all part of some larger entity we termed &#8220;universe&#8221;.  Now we&#8217;re figuring out that what we&#8217;ve been calling the &#8220;universe&#8221; to mean &#8220;everything that exists&#8221; isn&#8217;t a complete picture.  There could be something beyond/outside it &#8211; we don&#8217;t really know, and can only speculate.  That demands another term, though.</p>
<p>There is this alternate word for &#8220;everything that exists&#8221; that is common enough in astronomy circles &#8211; Cosmos.  We could talk about the Cosmos, and our Universe within it.  Or we could polish up some words for our pocket of reality that is our &#8220;observable universe&#8221;, our &#8220;Hubble Volume&#8221;, or whatever and try to separate that from the &#8220;actual Universe&#8221;.  But the common use of the term Universe to apply to the zone of being where our laws of nature run consistent and fundamental constants appear constant is equivalent to the Hubble Volume, or whatever words you wish to use.  Ergo, the confusion in terminology.  Of course, we try to reserve Cosmos to mean everything, and then we&#8217;ll find some suggestive reason why what we&#8217;ve been referring to as everything is incomplete, and we&#8217;ll need a new word. <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Keith Douglas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Keith Douglas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Feb 2006 18:21:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To say that the Big Bang marks the beginning of the universe in the original sense of universe is unscientific - better to say that it marks the begining of the expansion of the local hubble volume, or something like that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To say that the Big Bang marks the beginning of the universe in the original sense of universe is unscientific &#8211; better to say that it marks the begining of the expansion of the local hubble volume, or something like that.</p>
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		<title>By: RAD</title>
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		<dc:creator>RAD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Feb 2006 14:00:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Super M: 1 God 1 bible 1000s of religions, must be more to it. The big bang doesn&#039;t rule out God by the way. It works best with the evidence we have.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Super M: 1 God 1 bible 1000s of religions, must be more to it. The big bang doesn&#8217;t rule out God by the way. It works best with the evidence we have.</p>
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		<title>By: SUPER M</title>
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		<dc:creator>SUPER M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Feb 2006 02:07:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>and theres only 1 god and the bibles true</description>
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