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	<title>Comments on: More news about NASA (and the White House science suppression)</title>
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	<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2006/02/27/more-news-about-nasa-and-the-white-house-science-suppression/</link>
	<description>I am an astronomer, writer, and skeptic. I likes reality the way it is, and I aims to keep it that way. My real name is Phil Plait, and I run the Bad Astronomy blog.</description>
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		<title>By: beskeptigal</title>
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		<dc:creator>beskeptigal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Feb 2006 18:28:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When I worked as a nurse I had several experiences seeing other nurses promoted to managerial positions. It always amazed me to hear their philosophical statements soon change from pro-union to pro-management. I hear the party line in your description of Griffin&#039;s statements even if he is fighting to maintain his own scientific ideals. â€œNot every piece of science is newsworthy,â€ sounds an awful lot like, &quot;do your science but the bottom line is we can&#039;t be completely honest with results that make the higher ups look bad.&quot;

Unfortunately, those higher ups, as most in similar positions, don&#039;t want to hear the bad news as if it would go away if they merely ignore it. Will we never learn?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I worked as a nurse I had several experiences seeing other nurses promoted to managerial positions. It always amazed me to hear their philosophical statements soon change from pro-union to pro-management. I hear the party line in your description of Griffin&#8217;s statements even if he is fighting to maintain his own scientific ideals. â€œNot every piece of science is newsworthy,â€ sounds an awful lot like, &#8220;do your science but the bottom line is we can&#8217;t be completely honest with results that make the higher ups look bad.&#8221;</p>
<p>Unfortunately, those higher ups, as most in similar positions, don&#8217;t want to hear the bad news as if it would go away if they merely ignore it. Will we never learn?</p>
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		<title>By: Markk</title>
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		<dc:creator>Markk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Feb 2006 00:38:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So why can Griffin say Deutsch was a â€œlone gunmanâ€?

Griffin is saying that there was no NASA policy or direction from NASA to Deutsch to do what he did thus he was acting &quot;alone&quot; in that sense. i don&#039;t think he is implying there is nobody else doing this, else why would he ask people to report it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So why can Griffin say Deutsch was a â€œlone gunmanâ€?</p>
<p>Griffin is saying that there was no NASA policy or direction from NASA to Deutsch to do what he did thus he was acting &#8220;alone&#8221; in that sense. i don&#8217;t think he is implying there is nobody else doing this, else why would he ask people to report it?</p>
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		<title>By: Ozastro</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ozastro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Feb 2006 00:31:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Griffin did not know that Deutsch was inserting his religious beliefs into [a scientific process].

So why can Griffin say Deutsch was a &quot;lone gunman&quot;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Griffin did not know that Deutsch was inserting his religious beliefs into [a scientific process].</p>
<p>So why can Griffin say Deutsch was a &#8220;lone gunman&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: John W. Kennedy</title>
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		<dc:creator>John W. Kennedy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Feb 2006 00:02:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t believe the majority of Republicans are young-Earth fundamentalists.

However, we need to publicize the Deutsch affair (most people I know, including academics, are still completely unaware of it), and make Republicans face up to what their beloved leader has tried to do here, so that we can honestly say, &quot;If you vote Republican next time, you are voting for government-imposed young-Earth fundamentalism, which is as near treason to the United States Constitution as makes no nevermind.&quot;

And I&#039;m keeping my passport up-to-date, just in case.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t believe the majority of Republicans are young-Earth fundamentalists.</p>
<p>However, we need to publicize the Deutsch affair (most people I know, including academics, are still completely unaware of it), and make Republicans face up to what their beloved leader has tried to do here, so that we can honestly say, &#8220;If you vote Republican next time, you are voting for government-imposed young-Earth fundamentalism, which is as near treason to the United States Constitution as makes no nevermind.&#8221;</p>
<p>And I&#8217;m keeping my passport up-to-date, just in case.</p>
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		<title>By: P. Edward Murray</title>
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		<dc:creator>P. Edward Murray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Feb 2006 23:05:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Phil,

As we have a Republican president you would expect that his appointees
would probably be Republican to.

I think Dr. Griffin is showing his true Republican Colors here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Phil,</p>
<p>As we have a Republican president you would expect that his appointees<br />
would probably be Republican to.</p>
<p>I think Dr. Griffin is showing his true Republican Colors here.</p>
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		<title>By: Irishman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Irishman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Feb 2006 22:53:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not hearing the interview, I have no idea what Griffin meant by that comment.

Sounds to me like Griffin is trying to address people&#039;s concerns while minimizing the impact to NASA&#039;s reputation.  I wouldn&#039;t characterize that as &quot;brushing it under the rug&quot; - he has already implemented efforts to clarify the public affairs policies to preclude future occurrences, and he&#039;s asked employees to voice their concerns to help bring them to light. I think it fair that he point out this was not a NASA policy to stifle any scientific conclusions, nor the scientists&#039; opinions.  I think it fair that he lay blame on the individual acting beyond his bounds.  Of course, there is a larger issue of Administration policy and political appointees in general overstepping their bounds.  I don&#039;t think that&#039;s Griffin&#039;s job to address, except to address the policies.  I would hope if Griffin were aware of an administration policy to affect scientific presentations he would speak up about it.  It doesn&#039;t sound like he has any direct knowledge of it.  It also seems he is shaping NASA policies to prevent future occurrences.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not hearing the interview, I have no idea what Griffin meant by that comment.</p>
<p>Sounds to me like Griffin is trying to address people&#8217;s concerns while minimizing the impact to NASA&#8217;s reputation.  I wouldn&#8217;t characterize that as &#8220;brushing it under the rug&#8221; &#8211; he has already implemented efforts to clarify the public affairs policies to preclude future occurrences, and he&#8217;s asked employees to voice their concerns to help bring them to light. I think it fair that he point out this was not a NASA policy to stifle any scientific conclusions, nor the scientists&#8217; opinions.  I think it fair that he lay blame on the individual acting beyond his bounds.  Of course, there is a larger issue of Administration policy and political appointees in general overstepping their bounds.  I don&#8217;t think that&#8217;s Griffin&#8217;s job to address, except to address the policies.  I would hope if Griffin were aware of an administration policy to affect scientific presentations he would speak up about it.  It doesn&#8217;t sound like he has any direct knowledge of it.  It also seems he is shaping NASA policies to prevent future occurrences.</p>
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		<title>By: Leon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Feb 2006 21:56:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Me too.  Although, it sounds like Griffin is quietly and politely sweeping the issue under the rug.  He is, at least, talking the talk about people doing the right thing in this context.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Me too.  Although, it sounds like Griffin is quietly and politely sweeping the issue under the rug.  He is, at least, talking the talk about people doing the right thing in this context.</p>
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