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	<title>Comments on: Filling Randi&#8217;s very big shoes</title>
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	<description>I am an astronomer, writer, and skeptic. I likes reality the way it is, and I aims to keep it that way. My real name is Phil Plait, and I run the Bad Astronomy blog.</description>
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		<title>By: David N</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2006/03/03/filling-randis-very-big-shoes/comment-page-1/#comment-12244</link>
		<dc:creator>David N</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 May 2008 15:19:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Without knowing the actual facts behind Mr Perron&#039;s contentions, I cannot comment on whether they are actually true or not. However, from the way he has been treated here, I must admit that any initially unprejudiced person would have to find in favour of him. After a Google search, I gave a perusal of Dennis Rawlins sTarbaby account and I don&#039;t think he can be dismissed so readily. In fact, it looks very much the opposite, as the article was both comprehensive and erudite.

I should point out a couple of things here before getting on my way:

Very few people really are sceptics and from what I have seen, James Randi isn&#039;t any different. He is a believer too. The object of belief may be different, just like a Christian and an atheist arguing over whether God does or doesn&#039;t exist, but the subject, i.e. BELIEF itself is really what is important and it reveals a lot about the mindset of the believer. From my observations, Mr Randi does not approach any claimant of paranormal abilities openly, but rather, he has a pre-set motive to disprove under all circumstances, so there is a mental bias and blockage there from the very beginning. The conclusion is reached from the outset in his mind, in much the same way that the UFO fanatic believes every flicker of light in the sky is proof of aliens and when you start with a conclusion it is impossible to actually freely enquire, as every tenuous thread will be tainted with your own opinion. If he were truly sceptical then he would be sceptical of his own so called scepticism! Do not misconstrue this as me being a closet &#039;believer&#039;, for I assure you I am not and I have enjoyed seeing Mr Randi taking apart the frauds I&#039;ve seen in documentaries as much as the next person. All I AM saying is that he is an extremist and like all extremists, should not be taken too seriously.

Remember that every one of us approaches life from our own limited standpoint. We have our unique experiences, intelligence, educational aptitude (as well as privilege!), and we are restricted by that very same experience. A peasant farmer in the Middle East is not going to have the same life, outlook and understanding of a Norwegian fisherman, who in turn will differ from the businessman in London. Each has his own limiting conditioning and from that conditioning, we deal with the world around us. Basically, we&#039;re animals tethered to a post in the ground and from that tethering, we are able to move within the circumference of the rope. Some have a wide degree of movement, while others can barely move, but we are ALL limited.  It doesn&#039;t matter if you are retarded or a genius, we&#039;re limited. Period. Yet, laughably, each one of us thinks we have all the answers all the time! What egotism! (And before any creepy, snidey person comes back at me, I do realise this applies to me to!! Ha ha!!!!)

Whether Randi is right or Perron, it doesn&#039;t really matter, for ultimately, as Shakespeare said so eloquently and insightfully, &quot;There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy.&quot;.

Oh yeah, one final addendum, Mr Perron could NOT be accused of slander here, as slander is oral. He could be accused of LIBEL, however. Of course, Mr Randi would then have to prove it. Be sure to give me a ringside seat should that ever happen! ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Without knowing the actual facts behind Mr Perron&#8217;s contentions, I cannot comment on whether they are actually true or not. However, from the way he has been treated here, I must admit that any initially unprejudiced person would have to find in favour of him. After a Google search, I gave a perusal of Dennis Rawlins sTarbaby account and I don&#8217;t think he can be dismissed so readily. In fact, it looks very much the opposite, as the article was both comprehensive and erudite.</p>
<p>I should point out a couple of things here before getting on my way:</p>
<p>Very few people really are sceptics and from what I have seen, James Randi isn&#8217;t any different. He is a believer too. The object of belief may be different, just like a Christian and an atheist arguing over whether God does or doesn&#8217;t exist, but the subject, i.e. BELIEF itself is really what is important and it reveals a lot about the mindset of the believer. From my observations, Mr Randi does not approach any claimant of paranormal abilities openly, but rather, he has a pre-set motive to disprove under all circumstances, so there is a mental bias and blockage there from the very beginning. The conclusion is reached from the outset in his mind, in much the same way that the UFO fanatic believes every flicker of light in the sky is proof of aliens and when you start with a conclusion it is impossible to actually freely enquire, as every tenuous thread will be tainted with your own opinion. If he were truly sceptical then he would be sceptical of his own so called scepticism! Do not misconstrue this as me being a closet &#8216;believer&#8217;, for I assure you I am not and I have enjoyed seeing Mr Randi taking apart the frauds I&#8217;ve seen in documentaries as much as the next person. All I AM saying is that he is an extremist and like all extremists, should not be taken too seriously.</p>
<p>Remember that every one of us approaches life from our own limited standpoint. We have our unique experiences, intelligence, educational aptitude (as well as privilege!), and we are restricted by that very same experience. A peasant farmer in the Middle East is not going to have the same life, outlook and understanding of a Norwegian fisherman, who in turn will differ from the businessman in London. Each has his own limiting conditioning and from that conditioning, we deal with the world around us. Basically, we&#8217;re animals tethered to a post in the ground and from that tethering, we are able to move within the circumference of the rope. Some have a wide degree of movement, while others can barely move, but we are ALL limited.  It doesn&#8217;t matter if you are retarded or a genius, we&#8217;re limited. Period. Yet, laughably, each one of us thinks we have all the answers all the time! What egotism! (And before any creepy, snidey person comes back at me, I do realise this applies to me to!! Ha ha!!!!)</p>
<p>Whether Randi is right or Perron, it doesn&#8217;t really matter, for ultimately, as Shakespeare said so eloquently and insightfully, &#8220;There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy.&#8221;.</p>
<p>Oh yeah, one final addendum, Mr Perron could NOT be accused of slander here, as slander is oral. He could be accused of LIBEL, however. Of course, Mr Randi would then have to prove it. Be sure to give me a ringside seat should that ever happen! <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: james</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2006/03/03/filling-randis-very-big-shoes/comment-page-1/#comment-12243</link>
		<dc:creator>james</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Mar 2008 23:28:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>you are a supporter of james randi, I do not think you are in a position to say anyone is a supporter of pseudoscience when they follow a magician james randi for their science.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you are a supporter of james randi, I do not think you are in a position to say anyone is a supporter of pseudoscience when they follow a magician james randi for their science.</p>
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		<title>By: The Bad Astronomer</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2006/03/03/filling-randis-very-big-shoes/comment-page-1/#comment-12239</link>
		<dc:creator>The Bad Astronomer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Mar 2006 06:32:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since Bill Perron evidently doesn&#039;t want to respect my wishes, I have deleted his last comment and banned him from commenting. Sigh. I hate to do that (and I&#039;m sure he&#039;ll find some bulletin board to complain about my heavy-handed censorship), but I really don&#039;t want long drawn-out arguments here in this comments section when it boils down to someone quoting pseudoscientists as evidence without actually coming up with any &lt;i&gt;actual&lt;/i&gt; evidence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since Bill Perron evidently doesn&#8217;t want to respect my wishes, I have deleted his last comment and banned him from commenting. Sigh. I hate to do that (and I&#8217;m sure he&#8217;ll find some bulletin board to complain about my heavy-handed censorship), but I really don&#8217;t want long drawn-out arguments here in this comments section when it boils down to someone quoting pseudoscientists as evidence without actually coming up with any <i>actual</i> evidence.</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas Siefert</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2006/03/03/filling-randis-very-big-shoes/comment-page-1/#comment-12240</link>
		<dc:creator>Thomas Siefert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Mar 2006 06:16:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aaaaaarrrwwww, isn&#039;t he cute :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aaaaaarrrwwww, isn&#8217;t he cute <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Bill Perron</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2006/03/03/filling-randis-very-big-shoes/comment-page-1/#comment-12238</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill Perron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Mar 2006 05:11:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: The Bad Astronomer</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2006/03/03/filling-randis-very-big-shoes/comment-page-1/#comment-12242</link>
		<dc:creator>The Bad Astronomer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Mar 2006 00:38:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is the last I will comment on this.

&quot;Back pedal&quot;? Try reading again what I wrote. I even quoted it for you in my comment above. I said what you wrote can be considered slander. I never said it &lt;i&gt;was&lt;/i&gt; slander. I said it could be considered as such.

I will ask you &lt;i&gt;again&lt;/i&gt; to take your comments elsewhere.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is the last I will comment on this.</p>
<p>&#8220;Back pedal&#8221;? Try reading again what I wrote. I even quoted it for you in my comment above. I said what you wrote can be considered slander. I never said it <i>was</i> slander. I said it could be considered as such.</p>
<p>I will ask you <i>again</i> to take your comments elsewhere.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Perron</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2006/03/03/filling-randis-very-big-shoes/comment-page-1/#comment-12241</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill Perron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Mar 2006 00:23:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And I suppose Dennis Rawlins is a spurious source. I never used Brown as a source, if you are going to comment on something please know what it is you are commenting on. It is amusing to see how quickly you back pedal on your slander comment, entertaining to see how you can&#039;t take the heat. And your observation about their histories, claims, and evidence is ridiculous since you are totaly ignoring the history of Randi and has dishonorable actions that Rawlins so clearly described in sTARBABY, as well as the most cowardly exploits that Schwartz details in his book. Ask yourself if they aren&#039;t true why doesn&#039;t Randi sue. Shame on you for not being man enough to admit you were wrong and apologize..... Bill Perron</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And I suppose Dennis Rawlins is a spurious source. I never used Brown as a source, if you are going to comment on something please know what it is you are commenting on. It is amusing to see how quickly you back pedal on your slander comment, entertaining to see how you can&#8217;t take the heat. And your observation about their histories, claims, and evidence is ridiculous since you are totaly ignoring the history of Randi and has dishonorable actions that Rawlins so clearly described in sTARBABY, as well as the most cowardly exploits that Schwartz details in his book. Ask yourself if they aren&#8217;t true why doesn&#8217;t Randi sue. Shame on you for not being man enough to admit you were wrong and apologize&#8230;.. Bill Perron</p>
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