Comments on: Irony, thy name is ID http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2006/04/05/irony-they-name-is-id/ I am an astronomer, writer, and skeptic. I likes reality the way it is, and I aims to keep it that way. My real name is Phil Plait, and I run the Bad Astronomy blog. Tue, 24 Nov 2009 09:49:22 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Mungascr http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2006/04/05/irony-they-name-is-id/comment-page-2/#comment-13791 Mungascr Tue, 02 May 2006 10:16:56 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2006/04/05/irony-they-name-is-id/#comment-13791 Argh! Typos! AAAAAARRRRRGGHHHH!!! Religious fundamentalism. :-( Hope you can follow what I'm trying to say anyway. Para. 4 above should read : Or in short form 'Don't Ask', "Don't try and find out', and 'You shouldn't try tounderstand God - just do what HE (read 'I') says!" Or problem is all these religious extremists all claim that they and they _alone_ know What /Who God is & Speaks for Her /Him / it anyone who says otherwise is a heretic who deserves severe punishment .. and you only have their word to take for that. Personally, I'm not willing to believe in a God who won't talk to me but will happily converse all day every day with some child-abusing, sexist, bigot down the road instead. Sorry if that's too strong but ... Arrrgghhh! Argh! Typos!

AAAAAARRRRRGGHHHH!!! Religious fundamentalism. :-(

Hope you can follow what I’m trying to say anyway.

Para. 4 above should read :

Or in short form ‘Don’t Ask’, “Don’t try and find out’, and ‘You shouldn’t try tounderstand God – just do what HE (read ‘I’) says!”

Or problem is all these religious extremists all claim that they and they _alone_ know What /Who God is & Speaks for Her /Him / it anyone who says otherwise is a heretic who deserves severe punishment .. and you only have their word to take for that.

Personally, I’m not willing to believe in a God who won’t talk to me but will happily converse all day every day with some child-abusing, sexist, bigot down the road instead.

Sorry if that’s too strong but … Arrrgghhh!

]]> By: Mungascr http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2006/04/05/irony-they-name-is-id/comment-page-2/#comment-13790 Mungascr Tue, 02 May 2006 09:57:26 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2006/04/05/irony-they-name-is-id/#comment-13790 dzd noted :thesepeopel work on two rules : 1) God is always right & 2) If God doesanything thatseems contradictory etc .. see rule 1 Actually its more like "God moves in mysterious watys" & "Some Things Are NOT Meant for Man (sexist but so are they generally) to Know!" Or in short form Don't Ask, don'yt try tofind outr and you should understand God but just do what He (read I) say. Which can be pretty hard when you compare the Holy commands : I) Thall Shalt NOT suffer a witch to live!" with II) "Thou Shalt NOT kill!" as another example of Biblical inconsistency... If you see someone who is a witch you've got to kill them but the 10 Commandmants says you can't so..??! Sorry to say BA but the Church commits far worse crimes / sins against children than enforcing ignorance and encouraging unquestioning obedience to 2000 year old fables. The words rape and physical assault spring to mind. As far as worse sins go in general deliberate cruelty to kids and animals is ahead (if that's the word) on my list of "worsts" The Church has alot toanswer for -both in terms of evil and good whether one outweighs theother is a hard thng todetermine and depsdns alot on personal subjective judgement. Personally I _would_ teach ID for maybe five minutes in science class - alongside 'phlogiston' as an example of an outmoded non-scientific, so-called "Theory" that isn't science at all. I'd teach kids why its non-science and plain wrong in breif terms then I'd teach them Carl Sagan's set of critical thinking rules from "The Demon-Haunted World". dzd noted :thesepeopel work on two rules :

1) God is always right &
2) If God doesanything thatseems contradictory etc .. see rule 1

Actually its more like “God moves in mysterious watys” & “Some Things Are NOT Meant for Man (sexist but so are they generally) to Know!”

Or in short form Don’t Ask, don’yt try tofind outr and you should understand God but just do what He (read I) say.

Which can be pretty hard when you compare the Holy commands :
I) Thall Shalt NOT suffer a witch to live!”
with
II) “Thou Shalt NOT kill!”

as another example of Biblical inconsistency…

If you see someone who is a witch you’ve got to kill them but the 10 Commandmants says you can’t so..??!

Sorry to say BA but the Church commits far worse crimes / sins against children than enforcing ignorance and encouraging unquestioning obedience to 2000 year old fables. The words rape and physical assault spring to mind.

As far as worse sins go in general deliberate cruelty to kids and animals is ahead (if that’s the word) on my list of “worsts”

The Church has alot toanswer for -both in terms of evil and good whether one outweighs theother is a hard thng todetermine and depsdns alot on personal subjective judgement.

Personally I _would_ teach ID for maybe five minutes in science class – alongside ‘phlogiston’ as an example of an outmoded non-scientific, so-called “Theory” that isn’t science at all. I’d teach kids why its non-science and plain wrong in breif terms then I’d teach them Carl Sagan’s set of critical thinking rules from “The Demon-Haunted World”.

]]> By: Irishman http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2006/04/05/irony-they-name-is-id/comment-page-2/#comment-13730 Irishman Mon, 24 Apr 2006 21:14:22 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2006/04/05/irony-they-name-is-id/#comment-13730 RAD said: >He knew all of us would sin that was the reason for a savior. The savior had that role before the world was so that says to me there is a plan for our redemption from sin. Because God gave us the way through his son Christ to return to himI would say that is moral and good. So God knew we would need a savior from the beginning, that is why he wiped out the Earth and all humans but Noah and his direct family. Wait, why didn't he send Jesus sooner? Those sinners could have used a savior instead of annihilation. You're force fitting the answers to meet your preception. RAD said:
>He knew all of us would sin that was the reason for a savior. The savior had that role before the world was so that says to me there is a plan for our redemption from sin. Because God gave us the way through his son Christ to return to himI would say that is moral and good.

So God knew we would need a savior from the beginning, that is why he wiped out the Earth and all humans but Noah and his direct family. Wait, why didn’t he send Jesus sooner? Those sinners could have used a savior instead of annihilation.

You’re force fitting the answers to meet your preception.

]]> By: RAD http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2006/04/05/irony-they-name-is-id/comment-page-2/#comment-13795 RAD Sat, 22 Apr 2006 08:41:21 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2006/04/05/irony-they-name-is-id/#comment-13795 Right because anyone would hate to try and clear up any misconceptions Right because anyone would hate to try and clear up any misconceptions

]]> By: dzd http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2006/04/05/irony-they-name-is-id/comment-page-2/#comment-13798 dzd Thu, 20 Apr 2006 18:01:31 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2006/04/05/irony-they-name-is-id/#comment-13798 Eh, face it, there's no point applying logical analysis to these people. They work on exactly two rules: 1) God is always right. 2) If God ever does anything that doesn't make sense or seems like it might be wrong or counterproductive... see rule 1. Eh, face it, there’s no point applying logical analysis to these people. They work on exactly two rules:

1) God is always right.
2) If God ever does anything that doesn’t make sense or seems like it might be wrong or counterproductive… see rule 1.

]]> By: RAD http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2006/04/05/irony-they-name-is-id/comment-page-2/#comment-13794 RAD Tue, 18 Apr 2006 15:32:24 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2006/04/05/irony-they-name-is-id/#comment-13794 He knew all of us would sin that was the reason for a savior. The savior had that role before the world was so that says to me there is a plan for our redemption from sin. Because God gave us the way through his son Christ to return to himI would say that is moral and good. I admit that it does sound as you put it and surely its thought of by many in the same light. There are plenty of bible stories that sound pretty far fetched for sure. He knew all of us would sin that was the reason for a savior. The savior had that role before the world was so that says to me there is a plan for our redemption from sin. Because God gave us the way through his son Christ to return to himI would say that is moral and good. I admit that it does sound as you put it and surely its thought of by many in the same light. There are plenty of bible stories that sound pretty far fetched for sure.

]]> By: Irishman http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2006/04/05/irony-they-name-is-id/comment-page-2/#comment-13797 Irishman Mon, 17 Apr 2006 20:24:26 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2006/04/05/irony-they-name-is-id/#comment-13797 What a load of illogical gibberish. God intended for them to have knowledge of good and evil, so he created them without it? Then he put a tree in the garden and told them, "Don't eat of that tree," because he expected them to eat of it? And that was so he would be justified in punishing them for disobedience, when they had no understanding of the concept of disobedience because they didn't know right and wrong? That's called a plan? And God is still considered moral and good? What a load of illogical gibberish.

God intended for them to have knowledge of good and evil, so he created them without it? Then he put a tree in the garden and told them, “Don’t eat of that tree,” because he expected them to eat of it? And that was so he would be justified in punishing them for disobedience, when they had no understanding of the concept of disobedience because they didn’t know right and wrong? That’s called a plan? And God is still considered moral and good?

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