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	<description>I am an astronomer, writer, and skeptic. I likes reality the way it is, and I aims to keep it that way. My real name is Phil Plait, and I run the Bad Astronomy blog.</description>
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		<title>By: Science Study Reveals Global Warming Is The Top Current Environmental Issue</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2006/04/13/defending-science/comment-page-1/#comment-14106</link>
		<dc:creator>Science Study Reveals Global Warming Is The Top Current Environmental Issue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jul 2007 07:05:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve never met someone who is trying to advocate for scientific thinking that has any ability to speak to most people in a way that they will find compelling.

In order to get people to pay attention to you, you have to connect with their personal lives.  You have to show them &quot;what&#039;s in it for me.&quot;  The best way to do this is to focus on people&#039;s basic physical and emotional needs.

If you can show someone how they will be able to save/have more money, get more satisfying relationships, have more sex, etc, then they will listen to you.  That&#039;s why advertising works so well!

Nathan</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve never met someone who is trying to advocate for scientific thinking that has any ability to speak to most people in a way that they will find compelling.</p>
<p>In order to get people to pay attention to you, you have to connect with their personal lives.  You have to show them &#8220;what&#8217;s in it for me.&#8221;  The best way to do this is to focus on people&#8217;s basic physical and emotional needs.</p>
<p>If you can show someone how they will be able to save/have more money, get more satisfying relationships, have more sex, etc, then they will listen to you.  That&#8217;s why advertising works so well!</p>
<p>Nathan</p>
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		<title>By: Left to chance &#187; House passes Whistleblower Protection Enhancement Act</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2006/04/13/defending-science/comment-page-1/#comment-14105</link>
		<dc:creator>Left to chance &#187; House passes Whistleblower Protection Enhancement Act</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Mar 2007 16:34:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] of scientific findings for the past few years. Examples of this aren&#8217;t terribly hard to dig up. And those are just from my site. Try going to Chris Mooney&#8217;s blog, or The Scientific [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] of scientific findings for the past few years. Examples of this aren&#8217;t terribly hard to dig up. And those are just from my site. Try going to Chris Mooney&#8217;s blog, or The Scientific [...]</p>
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		<title>By: BKC</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2006/04/13/defending-science/comment-page-1/#comment-14072</link>
		<dc:creator>BKC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Apr 2006 20:46:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BA,

Since I agree to some extent with Spank&#039;s views on global warming, and already try to keep up with realclimate, may I suggest some reading for you?

climateaudit.org provides a thorough and well-reasoned critique of one of the more &quot;iconic&quot; global warming papers (that was co-authored by one of the realclimate originators), as well as raising serious issues with multi-proxy studies in general.

For some perspective on science and politics, please see http://sciencepolicy.colorado.edu/prometheus/.  The author(s) have some very good ideas on the role of science and scientists in politics.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BA,</p>
<p>Since I agree to some extent with Spank&#8217;s views on global warming, and already try to keep up with realclimate, may I suggest some reading for you?</p>
<p>climateaudit.org provides a thorough and well-reasoned critique of one of the more &#8220;iconic&#8221; global warming papers (that was co-authored by one of the realclimate originators), as well as raising serious issues with multi-proxy studies in general.</p>
<p>For some perspective on science and politics, please see <a href="http://sciencepolicy.colorado.edu/prometheus/" rel="nofollow">http://sciencepolicy.colorado.edu/prometheus/</a>.  The author(s) have some very good ideas on the role of science and scientists in politics.</p>
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		<title>By: Pip</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2006/04/13/defending-science/comment-page-1/#comment-14104</link>
		<dc:creator>Pip</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Apr 2006 03:39:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Signed. And one of only four real live high school students, it looks like.</description>
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		<title>By: SFwriter</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2006/04/13/defending-science/comment-page-1/#comment-14103</link>
		<dc:creator>SFwriter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Apr 2006 21:17:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was just there at the &lt;strong&gt;Defend Science &lt;/strong&gt;site and they foolishly asked for comments at the bottom  so I created the following statement for them.  Mind you, they wouldn&#039;t accept hard Returns in the text box, so I had to use Â¶ marks, but I think they&#039;ll get the idea:

There are many things that are certain besides mere &quot;death &amp; taxes&quot;.  There is a fixed value for the electronvolt (1 eV = 1.60217646 Ã— 10^-19 joules), without which the Universe wouldn&#039;t exist, since it could not give rise to us to allow us to interpret it; without something to interpret it, said thing may as well not exist because interpretation requires intelligence, much like the old analogy about &quot;Is there a sound from a falling tree in a forest if no one is there to hear it?&quot;

It was the wildest stroke of luck that conditions came into being to allow us to exist.  Or was it?

If our Universe, for all its immense size, is but a pinprick in an unfathomably large tapesty of Universes side by side, then there is a certain inevitably that eventually we would come into existence in one of all those Universes.

It requires no gods or infinite beings or Intelligent Design; only that times passes.  There could have been a googleplex (10^10^100) of iterations of Universes before, and more to follow, but in THIS Universe conditions were adequate for us to exist.  And if Intelligence does in fact arise, it is duty bound to study the Universe and try to comprehend how it works, without recourse to shepherder&#039;s tales passed from parent to child around the campfire in the hills as they watch their flocks by night.

Once you have a solid methodology, where results can be perfectly duplicated by anyone, at any time, with equivalent equipment and conditions, then you dispense with the superstition, and trudge stolidly towards new frontiers and discoveries.  You SHARE your discoveries; others share their insights about your discoveries; together humanity advances.

If we let these antedeluvian prophets steer our course, humanity may as well lay down all its wonders and march straight off into the sea and drown themselves.  These people will drag us, kicking and screaming, back into the Dark Ages, where we kill animals for fat to burn in our lamps; where we scratch and claw at the ground to grow inadequate crops and feed malnourished offspring; where we will pray on bended knee for some sort of divine intervention that will never come.

Don&#039;t let these purveyors of myth destroy all that Humanity has accomplished; don&#039;t let vapid, insipid theists vilify &quot;Science&quot;.  The most aggravating thing about these people is that they are hypocrites, using all this technology and ability that Science has given us in an attempt to batter down the very doors OF Science!

DEFEND SCIENCE!  DEFEND HUMANITY!  Save us from those that would turn us into quivering cowardly creatures relying on invisible super-beings to intercede and protect us from things we are too ignorant to understand (like thunder &amp; lightning).  Let us not march backwards through time, but bravely towards the future.

Or as Robert A. Heinlein once put it:
The MEEK shall inherit the Earth; the REST of us are going to the STARS!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was just there at the <strong>Defend Science </strong>site and they foolishly asked for comments at the bottom  so I created the following statement for them.  Mind you, they wouldn&#8217;t accept hard Returns in the text box, so I had to use Â¶ marks, but I think they&#8217;ll get the idea:</p>
<p>There are many things that are certain besides mere &#8220;death &amp; taxes&#8221;.  There is a fixed value for the electronvolt (1 eV = 1.60217646 Ã— 10^-19 joules), without which the Universe wouldn&#8217;t exist, since it could not give rise to us to allow us to interpret it; without something to interpret it, said thing may as well not exist because interpretation requires intelligence, much like the old analogy about &#8220;Is there a sound from a falling tree in a forest if no one is there to hear it?&#8221;</p>
<p>It was the wildest stroke of luck that conditions came into being to allow us to exist.  Or was it?</p>
<p>If our Universe, for all its immense size, is but a pinprick in an unfathomably large tapesty of Universes side by side, then there is a certain inevitably that eventually we would come into existence in one of all those Universes.</p>
<p>It requires no gods or infinite beings or Intelligent Design; only that times passes.  There could have been a googleplex (10^10^100) of iterations of Universes before, and more to follow, but in THIS Universe conditions were adequate for us to exist.  And if Intelligence does in fact arise, it is duty bound to study the Universe and try to comprehend how it works, without recourse to shepherder&#8217;s tales passed from parent to child around the campfire in the hills as they watch their flocks by night.</p>
<p>Once you have a solid methodology, where results can be perfectly duplicated by anyone, at any time, with equivalent equipment and conditions, then you dispense with the superstition, and trudge stolidly towards new frontiers and discoveries.  You SHARE your discoveries; others share their insights about your discoveries; together humanity advances.</p>
<p>If we let these antedeluvian prophets steer our course, humanity may as well lay down all its wonders and march straight off into the sea and drown themselves.  These people will drag us, kicking and screaming, back into the Dark Ages, where we kill animals for fat to burn in our lamps; where we scratch and claw at the ground to grow inadequate crops and feed malnourished offspring; where we will pray on bended knee for some sort of divine intervention that will never come.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t let these purveyors of myth destroy all that Humanity has accomplished; don&#8217;t let vapid, insipid theists vilify &#8220;Science&#8221;.  The most aggravating thing about these people is that they are hypocrites, using all this technology and ability that Science has given us in an attempt to batter down the very doors OF Science!</p>
<p>DEFEND SCIENCE!  DEFEND HUMANITY!  Save us from those that would turn us into quivering cowardly creatures relying on invisible super-beings to intercede and protect us from things we are too ignorant to understand (like thunder &amp; lightning).  Let us not march backwards through time, but bravely towards the future.</p>
<p>Or as Robert A. Heinlein once put it:<br />
The MEEK shall inherit the Earth; the REST of us are going to the STARS!</p>
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		<title>By: jay denari</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2006/04/13/defending-science/comment-page-1/#comment-14102</link>
		<dc:creator>jay denari</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Apr 2006 02:21:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Same here, Elwood. As a journalist, I&#039;m supposed to be neutral, but nobody with half a brain can be &quot;neutral&quot; when the forces of reason and intelligent inquiry are being attacked by superstition, greed, and ignorance. Pandering to these people is not &quot;neutral,&quot; it is de facto helping them undermine civilization.

While I believe our society HAS some key problems it must address re: how we relate to the world and other life, the ideology of the Dark Ages won&#039;t help us solve those problems. Only more knowledge can do that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Same here, Elwood. As a journalist, I&#8217;m supposed to be neutral, but nobody with half a brain can be &#8220;neutral&#8221; when the forces of reason and intelligent inquiry are being attacked by superstition, greed, and ignorance. Pandering to these people is not &#8220;neutral,&#8221; it is de facto helping them undermine civilization.</p>
<p>While I believe our society HAS some key problems it must address re: how we relate to the world and other life, the ideology of the Dark Ages won&#8217;t help us solve those problems. Only more knowledge can do that.</p>
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		<title>By: Elwood Herring</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2006/04/13/defending-science/comment-page-1/#comment-14101</link>
		<dc:creator>Elwood Herring</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Apr 2006 14:10:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve signed it, and I&#039;m not a scientist. I&#039;m not even American - I&#039;m English, but I am starting to see the same muddle-headed thinking starting to catch on over here too. It&#039;s not confined to the U.S. any more. As I stated in the notes, we need to take a leaf from Roger Bacon&#039;s notes - he was fighting this same fight over 700 years ago. If we&#039;re not careful we&#039;ll end up in a new Dark ages dominated by religious superstition, just as it was in his time. He must be spinning in his grave.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve signed it, and I&#8217;m not a scientist. I&#8217;m not even American &#8211; I&#8217;m English, but I am starting to see the same muddle-headed thinking starting to catch on over here too. It&#8217;s not confined to the U.S. any more. As I stated in the notes, we need to take a leaf from Roger Bacon&#8217;s notes &#8211; he was fighting this same fight over 700 years ago. If we&#8217;re not careful we&#8217;ll end up in a new Dark ages dominated by religious superstition, just as it was in his time. He must be spinning in his grave.</p>
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		<title>By: monolithfoo</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2006/04/13/defending-science/comment-page-1/#comment-14100</link>
		<dc:creator>monolithfoo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Apr 2006 20:33:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Kevin,

No, it wasn&#039;t part of the joke. Comedy Central censored the image. Not the South Park guys. That is my current understanding.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Kevin,</p>
<p>No, it wasn&#8217;t part of the joke. Comedy Central censored the image. Not the South Park guys. That is my current understanding.</p>
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		<title>By: The Bad Astronomer</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2006/04/13/defending-science/comment-page-1/#comment-14099</link>
		<dc:creator>The Bad Astronomer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Apr 2006 20:25:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Spank, I disagree with your conclusions, and your evidence. I suggest you read the blog/website http://www.realclimate.org/ which has the actual skinny on the reality of global warming.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Spank, I disagree with your conclusions, and your evidence. I suggest you read the blog/website <a href="http://www.realclimate.org/" rel="nofollow">http://www.realclimate.org/</a> which has the actual skinny on the reality of global warming.</p>
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		<title>By: Spank</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2006/04/13/defending-science/comment-page-1/#comment-14098</link>
		<dc:creator>Spank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Apr 2006 19:30:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m a little disappointed in the BA. While I am wholly pro-science, I am vehemently opposed to propaganda and alarmism which most of the so-called human induced global warming theory is centered around. Reliable meteorological/climatological data have been kept for less than 200 years. Not only that, the less-than-a-degree-Centigrade change in global temps in the last 100 years to me does not strike as conclusive evidence that we are culpable for any so-called damage to the planet. It simply deomnstrates the dynamic nature of the Earth, its oceans and its relationship with the sun.
Unfortunately, the entire &quot;anti-science&quot; crowd is nothing more than &quot;global warming&quot; hysteria in disguise. Global warming hysteria is nothing more than anti-capatilism in disguise.
I wish the &quot;defend science&quot; groups would find other topics to discuss - there are still people who deny the age of the earth- rather than cramming &#039;Day After Tomorrow&#039; alarmism down our throats.
In addition to being pro-science, these groups should be equally in favor of hearing both sides as there are numerous arguments AGAINST human induced climate change.
Sorry to rant. I still love the BA.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a little disappointed in the BA. While I am wholly pro-science, I am vehemently opposed to propaganda and alarmism which most of the so-called human induced global warming theory is centered around. Reliable meteorological/climatological data have been kept for less than 200 years. Not only that, the less-than-a-degree-Centigrade change in global temps in the last 100 years to me does not strike as conclusive evidence that we are culpable for any so-called damage to the planet. It simply deomnstrates the dynamic nature of the Earth, its oceans and its relationship with the sun.<br />
Unfortunately, the entire &#8220;anti-science&#8221; crowd is nothing more than &#8220;global warming&#8221; hysteria in disguise. Global warming hysteria is nothing more than anti-capatilism in disguise.<br />
I wish the &#8220;defend science&#8221; groups would find other topics to discuss &#8211; there are still people who deny the age of the earth- rather than cramming &#8216;Day After Tomorrow&#8217; alarmism down our throats.<br />
In addition to being pro-science, these groups should be equally in favor of hearing both sides as there are numerous arguments AGAINST human induced climate change.<br />
Sorry to rant. I still love the BA.</p>
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		<title>By: George</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2006/04/13/defending-science/comment-page-1/#comment-14097</link>
		<dc:creator>George</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Apr 2006 15:19:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks BA for letting us know.

I have signed up, too.

&quot;Mankindâ€™s advancements, due largely to the rigors inherent to the scientific method, are undeniable.  These continual blessings should not be undermined or usurped by any opponent that would act to impede the ability of science to discover, and teach, the truths of natural processes.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks BA for letting us know.</p>
<p>I have signed up, too.</p>
<p>&#8220;Mankindâ€™s advancements, due largely to the rigors inherent to the scientific method, are undeniable.  These continual blessings should not be undermined or usurped by any opponent that would act to impede the ability of science to discover, and teach, the truths of natural processes.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: TechSense / &#8220;Defend Science&#8221; starts up</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2006/04/13/defending-science/comment-page-1/#comment-14096</link>
		<dc:creator>TechSense / &#8220;Defend Science&#8221; starts up</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Apr 2006 14:49:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] (With hat tip to Phil Plait at Bad Astronomy) [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Defending science &#124; Cosmic Variance</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2006/04/13/defending-science/comment-page-1/#comment-14095</link>
		<dc:creator>Defending science &#124; Cosmic Variance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Apr 2006 14:24:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Phil Plait points us to Defend Science, a group that is holding protests and circulating a petition decrying attacks on objective scientific thinking within the U.S. I personally wasn&#8217;t that fond of the way the petition itself was written &#8212; a little too overheated, with a lot of capital letters &#8212; but it&#8217;s absolutely a worthy cause, and I am happy to go along. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Phil Plait points us to Defend Science, a group that is holding protests and circulating a petition decrying attacks on objective scientific thinking within the U.S. I personally wasn&#8217;t that fond of the way the petition itself was written &#8212; a little too overheated, with a lot of capital letters &#8212; but it&#8217;s absolutely a worthy cause, and I am happy to go along. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: icemith</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2006/04/13/defending-science/comment-page-1/#comment-14094</link>
		<dc:creator>icemith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Apr 2006 14:08:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have also added my name to the petition, though I&#039;m in Australia. I feel it is a global thing, and we have to be aware of the insidious nature these crackpot proponents of anti-science go about undermining ordinary people&#039;s beliefs by only proclaiming their rigid, cockeyed and totally erroneous view of the world, and on the othe hand, dismissing anything that is at variance with their narrow beliefs.

My slight criticism is that the &#039;Petition&quot; is rather long, convoluted and limited to only a certain section of the society, but that has been mentioned by others too. And it is not just an &#039;American&#039; battle, there are others across the world that need to express their thoughts, in support, as the ramifications are global in the long run. Thanks again Phil for that opportunity to do just that, by bringing it to our attention.

Ivan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have also added my name to the petition, though I&#8217;m in Australia. I feel it is a global thing, and we have to be aware of the insidious nature these crackpot proponents of anti-science go about undermining ordinary people&#8217;s beliefs by only proclaiming their rigid, cockeyed and totally erroneous view of the world, and on the othe hand, dismissing anything that is at variance with their narrow beliefs.</p>
<p>My slight criticism is that the &#8216;Petition&#8221; is rather long, convoluted and limited to only a certain section of the society, but that has been mentioned by others too. And it is not just an &#8216;American&#8217; battle, there are others across the world that need to express their thoughts, in support, as the ramifications are global in the long run. Thanks again Phil for that opportunity to do just that, by bringing it to our attention.</p>
<p>Ivan.</p>
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		<title>By: PK</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2006/04/13/defending-science/comment-page-1/#comment-14093</link>
		<dc:creator>PK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Apr 2006 13:15:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Does &lt;i&gt;Defend Science&lt;/i&gt; have a big budget? If not, they should do some active fundraising (I&#039;m sure there are plenty of possible benefactors out there). The reason I point this out is that they can then go on the offensive like the Discovery Institute, hire professional PR people to get the message across, etc. This thing will only work when the mainstream media become interested.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does <i>Defend Science</i> have a big budget? If not, they should do some active fundraising (I&#8217;m sure there are plenty of possible benefactors out there). The reason I point this out is that they can then go on the offensive like the Discovery Institute, hire professional PR people to get the message across, etc. This thing will only work when the mainstream media become interested.</p>
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		<title>By: Nic</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2006/04/13/defending-science/comment-page-1/#comment-14092</link>
		<dc:creator>Nic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Apr 2006 12:51:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I added my name and a comment to reword the petition to incled the regular folks.
Under Title I put &quot;US Citizen and Voter&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I added my name and a comment to reword the petition to incled the regular folks.<br />
Under Title I put &#8220;US Citizen and Voter&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Nigel Depledge</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2006/04/13/defending-science/comment-page-1/#comment-14091</link>
		<dc:creator>Nigel Depledge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Apr 2006 08:43:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#039;nuff said.  And, because science is universal, I might go and add my name, even though I&#039;m not a US citizen.

BTW, Berkely is a long way for me - around 7000 or 8000 miles, I think.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8217;nuff said.  And, because science is universal, I might go and add my name, even though I&#8217;m not a US citizen.</p>
<p>BTW, Berkely is a long way for me &#8211; around 7000 or 8000 miles, I think.</p>
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		<title>By: GS</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2006/04/13/defending-science/comment-page-1/#comment-14090</link>
		<dc:creator>GS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Apr 2006 05:53:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I signed it with the following comment: We could fund health care for everyone in the US if we used science to weed out the worthless remedies we now spend billions on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I signed it with the following comment: We could fund health care for everyone in the US if we used science to weed out the worthless remedies we now spend billions on.</p>
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		<title>By: writerdd</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2006/04/13/defending-science/comment-page-1/#comment-14089</link>
		<dc:creator>writerdd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Apr 2006 01:19:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Reading the page leads me to believe they intend scientists sign and non-scientists to not sign.&quot;

I got the same impression which is why I did not sign. I&#039;d love to if they wanted &quot;regular&quot; folks to sign as well!

Donna</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Reading the page leads me to believe they intend scientists sign and non-scientists to not sign.&#8221;</p>
<p>I got the same impression which is why I did not sign. I&#8217;d love to if they wanted &#8220;regular&#8221; folks to sign as well!</p>
<p>Donna</p>
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		<title>By: billg</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2006/04/13/defending-science/comment-page-1/#comment-14088</link>
		<dc:creator>billg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Apr 2006 22:54:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not worried about Berkeley.  These guys need to have rallies in Topeka. Lawyers would be good, too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not worried about Berkeley.  These guys need to have rallies in Topeka. Lawyers would be good, too.</p>
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		<title>By: Toren Atkinson</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2006/04/13/defending-science/comment-page-1/#comment-14087</link>
		<dc:creator>Toren Atkinson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Apr 2006 22:50:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Defend Science, itâ€™s the patriotic thing to do&quot;.

Sounds like an oxymoron. Science is universal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Defend Science, itâ€™s the patriotic thing to do&#8221;.</p>
<p>Sounds like an oxymoron. Science is universal.</p>
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		<title>By: Stargirl</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2006/04/13/defending-science/comment-page-1/#comment-14086</link>
		<dc:creator>Stargirl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Apr 2006 22:37:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Iâ€™m just old enough to remember when Sputnik was launched. In the aftermath there was a big, no huge push to teach more science, math, engineering, etc. in schools. At the time it was perceived, whether real or not that the U.S. had lost its lead in those fields. Back then learning about science and doing actual science was considered, dare I say it patriotic. Unfortunately that is no longer the case. Itâ€™s so much easier to just sit back and praise Jesus to come on down than it is to grasp often counterintuitive scientific concepts.

I suppose itâ€™s because my formative years were spent during those scientific go go years of the sixties that  I canâ€™t help feeling that for the anti-science crowd to be willing to see the U.S fall behind the rest of the world they must really hate this country.

Howâ€™s this for a bumper sticker â€œDefend Science, it&#039;s the patriotic thing to do.â€</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Iâ€™m just old enough to remember when Sputnik was launched. In the aftermath there was a big, no huge push to teach more science, math, engineering, etc. in schools. At the time it was perceived, whether real or not that the U.S. had lost its lead in those fields. Back then learning about science and doing actual science was considered, dare I say it patriotic. Unfortunately that is no longer the case. Itâ€™s so much easier to just sit back and praise Jesus to come on down than it is to grasp often counterintuitive scientific concepts.</p>
<p>I suppose itâ€™s because my formative years were spent during those scientific go go years of the sixties that  I canâ€™t help feeling that for the anti-science crowd to be willing to see the U.S fall behind the rest of the world they must really hate this country.</p>
<p>Howâ€™s this for a bumper sticker â€œDefend Science, it&#8217;s the patriotic thing to do.â€</p>
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		<title>By: Blake Stacey</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2006/04/13/defending-science/comment-page-1/#comment-14085</link>
		<dc:creator>Blake Stacey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Apr 2006 22:32:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>After reading John B. Sandlin&#039;s last message, I decided to sign too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After reading John B. Sandlin&#8217;s last message, I decided to sign too.</p>
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		<title>By: John B. Sandlin</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2006/04/13/defending-science/comment-page-1/#comment-14084</link>
		<dc:creator>John B. Sandlin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Apr 2006 22:18:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Followup to my previous note: I emailed Defend Science and got a quick reply with this:

&lt;blockquote&gt;In this spirit, not only are people like you welcome but we hope you will spread the word and especially the Defend Science statement far and wide to many more people like yourself.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

So I added my name to the petition.

jbs</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Followup to my previous note: I emailed Defend Science and got a quick reply with this:</p>
<blockquote><p>In this spirit, not only are people like you welcome but we hope you will spread the word and especially the Defend Science statement far and wide to many more people like yourself.</p></blockquote>
<p>So I added my name to the petition.</p>
<p>jbs</p>
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		<title>By: John B. Sandlin</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2006/04/13/defending-science/comment-page-1/#comment-14083</link>
		<dc:creator>John B. Sandlin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Apr 2006 21:37:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Emily says:
&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;http://www.badastronomy.com/bablog/2006/04/13/defending-science/#comment-15544&quot;&gt;
The signatory list would have a lot more impact if a few less of the signors were scientists and a few more came from other walks of life
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Reading the page leads me to believe they intend scientists sign and non-scientists to not sign.  I agree, the congresscritters will be more likely to pay attention to Jane and Joe Voter than Dr. Science.  I made a small donation.  I&#039;ll check back to see if they change to wording to include those of us college degree challenged.  I &lt;b&gt;will&lt;/b&gt; add links to my web page (not that many visit ... )

jbs</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Emily says:</p>
<blockquote cite="http://www.badastronomy.com/bablog/2006/04/13/defending-science/#comment-15544"><p>
The signatory list would have a lot more impact if a few less of the signors were scientists and a few more came from other walks of life
</p></blockquote>
<p>Reading the page leads me to believe they intend scientists sign and non-scientists to not sign.  I agree, the congresscritters will be more likely to pay attention to Jane and Joe Voter than Dr. Science.  I made a small donation.  I&#8217;ll check back to see if they change to wording to include those of us college degree challenged.  I <b>will</b> add links to my web page (not that many visit &#8230; )</p>
<p>jbs</p>
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