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	<description>I am an astronomer, writer, and skeptic. I likes reality the way it is, and I aims to keep it that way. My real name is Phil Plait, and I run the Bad Astronomy blog.</description>
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		<title>By: Pippa</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2006/04/19/messenger-images-of-the-earth/comment-page-1/#comment-370108</link>
		<dc:creator>Pippa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Mar 2011 14:35:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bill,
They take the pictures at different wave lengths simultaneously, so that they can superimpose them to produce composite picture of all the wave lengths that we see. This gives us identical weather patterns, and everything other physical structure, on each snap.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bill,<br />
They take the pictures at different wave lengths simultaneously, so that they can superimpose them to produce composite picture of all the wave lengths that we see. This gives us identical weather patterns, and everything other physical structure, on each snap.</p>
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		<title>By: rayan</title>
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		<dc:creator>rayan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Mar 2008 08:20:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>scientists are the best!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!</description>
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		<title>By: Bill Kearney</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2006/04/19/messenger-images-of-the-earth/comment-page-1/#comment-14305</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill Kearney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 May 2006 20:07:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Um, if that messenger sequence is from real photos of the earth rotating, then why aren&#039;t the weather patterns moving, or at least changing some?  It would appear the cloud patterns are staying exactly the same throughout the rotation.  Shouldn&#039;t there be at least SOME variation in the cloud cover?  Otherwise it just looks like one picture texture mapped on a sphere with simulated shadows.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Um, if that messenger sequence is from real photos of the earth rotating, then why aren&#8217;t the weather patterns moving, or at least changing some?  It would appear the cloud patterns are staying exactly the same throughout the rotation.  Shouldn&#8217;t there be at least SOME variation in the cloud cover?  Otherwise it just looks like one picture texture mapped on a sphere with simulated shadows.</p>
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		<title>By: Irishman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Irishman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Apr 2006 20:44:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SFWriter, take a look at this:
http://worldatlas.com/webimage/countrys/sa.htm

Note the color photo (composite image) of South America at the bottom.  Note the color variations, where the vegetation shown green maps to the infrared in the MESSENGER image (especially the higher res version). Note also the low infrared matches the brown colorations on the South America photo, especially along the Western coast, but also in Argentina, Paraguay, and Brazil.  Finally note the political map higher on that page, and see that the boundary does NOT align with the Chilean border, but rather with the geographical feature of the Andes Mountains.  In fact, lower Chile is green (covered by clouds on the MESSENGER image), and the brown arid territory in the north extends into Bolivia and Peru.

Also, if you look at the MESSENGER image in &quot;true color&quot; as opposed to infrared, you will note that the coloration pattern falls along the exact same borders, with the &quot;red&quot; of the infrared mapping to dark coloration on the Amazon forest.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SFWriter, take a look at this:<br />
<a href="http://worldatlas.com/webimage/countrys/sa.htm" rel="nofollow">http://worldatlas.com/webimage/countrys/sa.htm</a></p>
<p>Note the color photo (composite image) of South America at the bottom.  Note the color variations, where the vegetation shown green maps to the infrared in the MESSENGER image (especially the higher res version). Note also the low infrared matches the brown colorations on the South America photo, especially along the Western coast, but also in Argentina, Paraguay, and Brazil.  Finally note the political map higher on that page, and see that the boundary does NOT align with the Chilean border, but rather with the geographical feature of the Andes Mountains.  In fact, lower Chile is green (covered by clouds on the MESSENGER image), and the brown arid territory in the north extends into Bolivia and Peru.</p>
<p>Also, if you look at the MESSENGER image in &#8220;true color&#8221; as opposed to infrared, you will note that the coloration pattern falls along the exact same borders, with the &#8220;red&#8221; of the infrared mapping to dark coloration on the Amazon forest.</p>
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		<title>By: RAD</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2006/04/19/messenger-images-of-the-earth/comment-page-1/#comment-14267</link>
		<dc:creator>RAD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Apr 2006 18:01:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the info I am going to check this out more</description>
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		<title>By: TR</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2006/04/19/messenger-images-of-the-earth/comment-page-1/#comment-14290</link>
		<dc:creator>TR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Apr 2006 16:38:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, RAD, I can answer one of your questions: I can tell you that there is no opposing force.

I know that gravity is the only force needed to explain the circular/elliptical motion of orbits of the planets about the stars and the stars about the galactic centers.  It might &lt;i&gt;seem&lt;/i&gt; that the attractive force of gravity would just cause everything to collapse into a big ball, so a second force is needed to push the objects out from the center.  But the planets are not being held away from the sun by any opposing force, they are just moving too fast to ever hit the sun.  In a very real sense, the planets are trying to fall into the sun, but they are forever missing it.

It might be easier to picture this if you think of an object orbiting the Earth.  If you stand on the top of a tall tower and drop a baseball off the edge, it will fall more-or-less straight down and land at the tower&#039;s base.  If you toss it horizontally from the top of the tower, it will fall a little farther away.  Throw it faster, and it will land still farther away.  If you could throw it fast enough, and the tower were tall enough, you could make the ball hit the ground several miles away.  In fact, you can imagine that Superman might even be able to throw it so hard that it would travel halfway around the world before it landed.  In this case, the baseball is just barely hitting the Earth at all... any faster, and the ball would miss the planet&#039;s edge and fall past it to the other side.  But of course, if there were no air resistance, it would miss the other side too, so it would never land at all!  The ball would always be falling towards a point which is just over the horizon: always falling, but never landing - that&#039;s an orbit!

(You might want to visit NASA&#039;s Space Place to play the &quot;&lt;a href=&quot;http://spaceplace.nasa.gov/en/kids/orbits1.shtml&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Shoot a Cannonball Into Orbit&lt;/a&gt;&quot; game.  It&#039;s intended for kids, so don&#039;t be offended that the graphics are kinda&#039; juvenile, I just think the animation might be more clear than my written explanation.)

This was Newton&#039;s great discovery in the apple orchard.  He didn&#039;t discover gravity, everyone already knew about that, he discovered that gravity was the only force needed to account for the orbital motion of the moon.


Now, as for your other questions, well, Newton himself never tried to explain &lt;i&gt;why&lt;/i&gt; there is any gravity in the first place (though he did develop an equation to predict its magnitude).  Einstein accounted for gravity as a curvature in space-time* caused by an object&#039;s mass.  He said that the moon falls towards the Earth &#039;cause the Earth&#039;s mass makes a sort of &lt;a href=&quot;http://zebu.uoregon.edu/~imamura/talks/gravity_waves/orbit.jpg&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;dimple&lt;/a&gt; in the &quot;surface&quot; of space, and the moon is sliding down the curved surface of that dimple, like a ball rolling down a hill.  Of course, like all good answers in science, this just pushes the &lt;b&gt;real&lt;/b&gt; answer farther away by bringing up more questions.  Like: why do masses curve space-time, and why does a ball roll down a hill anyway?  (In fact, this is just the sort of &quot;explanation&quot; which Fineman used to poke fun at.  Because, in an effort to &lt;i&gt;explain&lt;/i&gt; gravity, I&#039;ve used an analogy which only makes sense if you think you already &lt;i&gt;understand&lt;/i&gt; gravity so, as he would say, &quot;I&#039;ve cheated very badly.&quot;)

If there is a better explanation, or an answer to those two questions, they are past my depth.  Maybe someone else could help us both there.

Also, the whole &quot;falling past the horizon&quot; explanation can only account for the orbit of the planets if they were already moving fast enough to miss the sun the first time.  The question as to why the matter in the planets was moving in the first place is a tricky one.  The short answer is &quot;the big bang got them going&quot;, but that&#039;s not a very good answer, really.  In point of fact, in the early days of our solar system, most of the matter in this area was not moving fast enough, so it did fall in towards the center, where it coalesced to form our sun.  (Can you have &quot;days&quot;, or even a &quot;solar system&quot; before your have a sun?)  Anyway, most of the solar system did hit the &quot;sun&quot; - that&#039;s why the sun is so big today.  But the real question isn&#039;t &quot;why didn&#039;t the matter that made up our planet fall into the center also.&quot;  The real question, as you&#039;ve implied, is &quot;what do we mean by &#039;&lt;i&gt;center&lt;/i&gt;.&#039;&quot;

If all there were to get the system going was a big bang, all the matter in the universe would be evenly distributed into a smooth, uniform, bubble expanding out* from the original explosion.  No area would be any more dense than any other area, so none of the matter would have been attracted in one direction any more than the other, and there wouldn&#039;t be a sun to fall past.  The only point which could really be considered a center is the spot/moment* at which the &quot;bang&quot; occurred.  If the bang weren&#039;t big enough, everything might eventually slow down, stop, and fall back towards the place/time* where it came from (the so-called &quot;Big Crunch&quot;).  But that wouldn&#039;t explain why some matter clumped together to form our sun (or any of the other big, glowing lumps of stuff we see when we look at the night sky).

So the three big questions in cosmology are:


- &quot;Why isn&#039;t the universe uniformly dense?&quot;

- &quot;Will it ever stop expanding?&quot;

and

- &quot;If it does, what will happen after* that?&quot;


&#039;Last I heard, no one really knows the answer to any of these, though there are a few very promising theories in the works.

Again, maybe someone more in the know than I will chime in at this point.


* Einstein&#039;s theory of relativity holds that the universe is not just a collection of points, but also a collection of moments, and that the two are inextricably linked.  This is what is meant by &quot;space-time&quot;.  It is also why, when you talk about things like the Big Bang and &quot;End of the Universe&quot;, you cannot make a meaningful distinction between a spatial place and a temporal moment.  I &lt;i&gt;think&lt;/i&gt; I kind&#039; get relativity, in a general sort of way (no pun intended), but I wouldn&#039;t presume to try to explain it to you.  Here again, maybe the blogosphere will help us both out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, RAD, I can answer one of your questions: I can tell you that there is no opposing force.</p>
<p>I know that gravity is the only force needed to explain the circular/elliptical motion of orbits of the planets about the stars and the stars about the galactic centers.  It might <i>seem</i> that the attractive force of gravity would just cause everything to collapse into a big ball, so a second force is needed to push the objects out from the center.  But the planets are not being held away from the sun by any opposing force, they are just moving too fast to ever hit the sun.  In a very real sense, the planets are trying to fall into the sun, but they are forever missing it.</p>
<p>It might be easier to picture this if you think of an object orbiting the Earth.  If you stand on the top of a tall tower and drop a baseball off the edge, it will fall more-or-less straight down and land at the tower&#8217;s base.  If you toss it horizontally from the top of the tower, it will fall a little farther away.  Throw it faster, and it will land still farther away.  If you could throw it fast enough, and the tower were tall enough, you could make the ball hit the ground several miles away.  In fact, you can imagine that Superman might even be able to throw it so hard that it would travel halfway around the world before it landed.  In this case, the baseball is just barely hitting the Earth at all&#8230; any faster, and the ball would miss the planet&#8217;s edge and fall past it to the other side.  But of course, if there were no air resistance, it would miss the other side too, so it would never land at all!  The ball would always be falling towards a point which is just over the horizon: always falling, but never landing &#8211; that&#8217;s an orbit!</p>
<p>(You might want to visit NASA&#8217;s Space Place to play the &#8220;<a href="http://spaceplace.nasa.gov/en/kids/orbits1.shtml" rel="nofollow">Shoot a Cannonball Into Orbit</a>&#8221; game.  It&#8217;s intended for kids, so don&#8217;t be offended that the graphics are kinda&#8217; juvenile, I just think the animation might be more clear than my written explanation.)</p>
<p>This was Newton&#8217;s great discovery in the apple orchard.  He didn&#8217;t discover gravity, everyone already knew about that, he discovered that gravity was the only force needed to account for the orbital motion of the moon.</p>
<p>Now, as for your other questions, well, Newton himself never tried to explain <i>why</i> there is any gravity in the first place (though he did develop an equation to predict its magnitude).  Einstein accounted for gravity as a curvature in space-time* caused by an object&#8217;s mass.  He said that the moon falls towards the Earth &#8217;cause the Earth&#8217;s mass makes a sort of <a href="http://zebu.uoregon.edu/~imamura/talks/gravity_waves/orbit.jpg" rel="nofollow">dimple</a> in the &#8220;surface&#8221; of space, and the moon is sliding down the curved surface of that dimple, like a ball rolling down a hill.  Of course, like all good answers in science, this just pushes the <b>real</b> answer farther away by bringing up more questions.  Like: why do masses curve space-time, and why does a ball roll down a hill anyway?  (In fact, this is just the sort of &#8220;explanation&#8221; which Fineman used to poke fun at.  Because, in an effort to <i>explain</i> gravity, I&#8217;ve used an analogy which only makes sense if you think you already <i>understand</i> gravity so, as he would say, &#8220;I&#8217;ve cheated very badly.&#8221;)</p>
<p>If there is a better explanation, or an answer to those two questions, they are past my depth.  Maybe someone else could help us both there.</p>
<p>Also, the whole &#8220;falling past the horizon&#8221; explanation can only account for the orbit of the planets if they were already moving fast enough to miss the sun the first time.  The question as to why the matter in the planets was moving in the first place is a tricky one.  The short answer is &#8220;the big bang got them going&#8221;, but that&#8217;s not a very good answer, really.  In point of fact, in the early days of our solar system, most of the matter in this area was not moving fast enough, so it did fall in towards the center, where it coalesced to form our sun.  (Can you have &#8220;days&#8221;, or even a &#8220;solar system&#8221; before your have a sun?)  Anyway, most of the solar system did hit the &#8220;sun&#8221; &#8211; that&#8217;s why the sun is so big today.  But the real question isn&#8217;t &#8220;why didn&#8217;t the matter that made up our planet fall into the center also.&#8221;  The real question, as you&#8217;ve implied, is &#8220;what do we mean by &#8216;<i>center</i>.&#8217;&#8221;</p>
<p>If all there were to get the system going was a big bang, all the matter in the universe would be evenly distributed into a smooth, uniform, bubble expanding out* from the original explosion.  No area would be any more dense than any other area, so none of the matter would have been attracted in one direction any more than the other, and there wouldn&#8217;t be a sun to fall past.  The only point which could really be considered a center is the spot/moment* at which the &#8220;bang&#8221; occurred.  If the bang weren&#8217;t big enough, everything might eventually slow down, stop, and fall back towards the place/time* where it came from (the so-called &#8220;Big Crunch&#8221;).  But that wouldn&#8217;t explain why some matter clumped together to form our sun (or any of the other big, glowing lumps of stuff we see when we look at the night sky).</p>
<p>So the three big questions in cosmology are:</p>
<p>- &#8220;Why isn&#8217;t the universe uniformly dense?&#8221;</p>
<p>- &#8220;Will it ever stop expanding?&#8221;</p>
<p>and</p>
<p>- &#8220;If it does, what will happen after* that?&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8216;Last I heard, no one really knows the answer to any of these, though there are a few very promising theories in the works.</p>
<p>Again, maybe someone more in the know than I will chime in at this point.</p>
<p>* Einstein&#8217;s theory of relativity holds that the universe is not just a collection of points, but also a collection of moments, and that the two are inextricably linked.  This is what is meant by &#8220;space-time&#8221;.  It is also why, when you talk about things like the Big Bang and &#8220;End of the Universe&#8221;, you cannot make a meaningful distinction between a spatial place and a temporal moment.  I <i>think</i> I kind&#8217; get relativity, in a general sort of way (no pun intended), but I wouldn&#8217;t presume to try to explain it to you.  Here again, maybe the blogosphere will help us both out.</p>
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		<title>By: RAD</title>
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		<dc:creator>RAD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Apr 2006 19:37:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Phil the bad ass astronomer! Hey thats not too bad</description>
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		<title>By: RAD</title>
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		<dc:creator>RAD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Apr 2006 19:32:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While we are on orbits and lay people, how exactly does gravity, or what ever conglomerate of forces, keep an object in orbit? I would guess there are soe opposing forces at work, I guess i just don&#039;t see why there is a somewhat circular motion to everything, cosmos bodies spin, orbit a star, orbit the center of a galaxy, orbit the center of the universe(ok aybe thats a stretch is there a center?). Is all just a big old cosmic waltz?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While we are on orbits and lay people, how exactly does gravity, or what ever conglomerate of forces, keep an object in orbit? I would guess there are soe opposing forces at work, I guess i just don&#8217;t see why there is a somewhat circular motion to everything, cosmos bodies spin, orbit a star, orbit the center of a galaxy, orbit the center of the universe(ok aybe thats a stretch is there a center?). Is all just a big old cosmic waltz?</p>
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		<title>By: TR</title>
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		<dc:creator>TR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Apr 2006 01:02:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Could it be that Chile is brown in the IR view &#039;cause the sun has only just cleared the Andes and the land to their west is still cool?  I do know that the costal plain is arid, and Chile basically is the costal plain, so maybe that is an accurate representation of the vegetation?

In any case, I think the phenomenon is a genuine artifact of the geographic barrier of the mountains.  I&#039;d be surprised if there is anything in the image processing software which is even aware of the geopolitical boundaries.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Could it be that Chile is brown in the IR view &#8217;cause the sun has only just cleared the Andes and the land to their west is still cool?  I do know that the costal plain is arid, and Chile basically is the costal plain, so maybe that is an accurate representation of the vegetation?</p>
<p>In any case, I think the phenomenon is a genuine artifact of the geographic barrier of the mountains.  I&#8217;d be surprised if there is anything in the image processing software which is even aware of the geopolitical boundaries.</p>
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		<title>By: LucidBlue</title>
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		<dc:creator>LucidBlue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Apr 2006 00:09:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Those pictures are so vividly crisp, they almost look like CGI.

Really, I guess that&#039;s a compliment to the CGI guys, huh? :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Those pictures are so vividly crisp, they almost look like CGI.</p>
<p>Really, I guess that&#8217;s a compliment to the CGI guys, huh? <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: SFwriter</title>
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		<dc:creator>SFwriter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Apr 2006 22:30:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...And Chile is uncoloured in infrared because...?  What? They have no vegetation?  Have they completely slash-n-burned their entire allotment of rainforest?  Surely this is some sort of &lt;i&gt;poor translation of the image data&lt;/i&gt;, rather than a large expanse of mountains and dirt that are completely lacking in plants, and only encompasses one country, right to its &lt;b&gt;political&lt;/b&gt; borders.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;And Chile is uncoloured in infrared because&#8230;?  What? They have no vegetation?  Have they completely slash-n-burned their entire allotment of rainforest?  Surely this is some sort of <i>poor translation of the image data</i>, rather than a large expanse of mountains and dirt that are completely lacking in plants, and only encompasses one country, right to its <b>political</b> borders.</p>
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		<title>By: Troy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Troy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Apr 2006 22:18:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I haven&#039;t read the related links, but possibly MESSENGER is joining Mercury at perihelion because (speculating here) that could be where the node of Mercury&#039;s orbit hits the ecliptic.  From my understanding the biggest logistical problem of sending a probe to ORBIT Mercury is because Mercury&#039;s orbit is actually quite inclined with the ecliptic.
Another possibility may be scientific.  The Mariner probe in 1974-75 only imaged one side of the planet (it visited 2 or 3 times on successive orbits and amazing the same face was in daylight).  A priority of the Mercury flybys (which also are used as velocity changing events) is infact to image the unseen side.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I haven&#8217;t read the related links, but possibly MESSENGER is joining Mercury at perihelion because (speculating here) that could be where the node of Mercury&#8217;s orbit hits the ecliptic.  From my understanding the biggest logistical problem of sending a probe to ORBIT Mercury is because Mercury&#8217;s orbit is actually quite inclined with the ecliptic.<br />
Another possibility may be scientific.  The Mariner probe in 1974-75 only imaged one side of the planet (it visited 2 or 3 times on successive orbits and amazing the same face was in daylight).  A priority of the Mercury flybys (which also are used as velocity changing events) is infact to image the unseen side.</p>
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		<title>By: joyce</title>
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		<dc:creator>joyce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Apr 2006 20:25:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All these equations and discussion -- way too technical for me, a total lay person. So I&#039;ll just enjoy the awesome beauty of the pictures and the brilliance of those who do understand the math!  Thanks for sharing!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All these equations and discussion &#8212; way too technical for me, a total lay person. So I&#8217;ll just enjoy the awesome beauty of the pictures and the brilliance of those who do understand the math!  Thanks for sharing!</p>
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		<title>By: TR</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2006/04/19/messenger-images-of-the-earth/comment-page-1/#comment-14289</link>
		<dc:creator>TR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Apr 2006 19:46:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Be careful, quarthinos, velocity &lt;i&gt;is&lt;/i&gt; a vector, but that only means that a &lt;b&gt;force&lt;/b&gt; is required to change its magnitude or direction.  On the other hand, energy is a scalar, so it is not direction-dependant.  This means that the force which changes the velocity vector need not necessarily do any work.

This is precisely the case in a circular orbit.  Because the gravitational force is centripetal, it is perpendicular to the tangential velocity in a circular orbit (and at the instant of aphelion and perihelion in an elliptical orbit).  Therefore, the force and the direction of motion are perpendicular, and no work is done.

Consider this: while work must be done to lift an object off the ground(to move it in the direction of the applied force) and get the object moving forward (to change its kinetic energy by accelerating it), no additional energy is needed to carry the object forward at a constant velocity and constant height.  Because the direction of motion (forward) is perpendicular to the direction of the lifting force (upward), the work done is zero.  (In mathematical terms, work is a dot-product: it takes two vector arguments and returns a scalar answer depending on the degree to which the two vectors are collinear.)

To put it another way, the fact that kinetic energy is based on the square of the velocity makes it direction-independent.  In a one-dimensional system, this is a simple as saying

(-v)^2 = (v)^2

In a 2-dimesional sense, remember that the resultant velocity is the hypotenuse of the triangle made from the perpendicular component legs.  So

(1/2)m(Vx)^2 + (1/2)m(Vy)^2 = (1/2)m(Vr)^2

reduces to

(Vx)^2 + (Vy)^2 = (Vr)^2

  -  the Pythagorean theorem!

Therefore, the resultant (i.e. overall) velocity will remain constant even as the component lengths change.  (This also holds true for 3- and even &lt;i&gt;n&lt;/i&gt;-dimensional motion.)

Of course, when an object is not at one of the &quot;-helions&quot; in an elliptical orbit, the force of gravity is not perpendicular to the tangential velocity, so this non-perpendicular force of gravity does change the overall velocity, and therefore the kinetic energy.  But this change is caused in the component of the velocity vector which is collinear to the force, which is to say, the radial component.  Therefore, the change in kinetic energy is exactly offset by the change in potential energy as the object moves to a different distance from the sun.  (Indeed, you can argue that the work done by the force in that direction is &quot;used&quot; to change the energy form one form to the other.)  Any way you look at it, the total mechanical energy of the system remains constant.  (At least in a Newtonian/Keplerian an system.)

(Note:  I know that &quot;V&quot; is not the correct abbreviation for &quot;velocity&quot;, but I don&#039;t know if this blog supports the sub-script tag, and I wanted to use an upper-case letter to make my sub-scripts look small.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Be careful, quarthinos, velocity <i>is</i> a vector, but that only means that a <b>force</b> is required to change its magnitude or direction.  On the other hand, energy is a scalar, so it is not direction-dependant.  This means that the force which changes the velocity vector need not necessarily do any work.</p>
<p>This is precisely the case in a circular orbit.  Because the gravitational force is centripetal, it is perpendicular to the tangential velocity in a circular orbit (and at the instant of aphelion and perihelion in an elliptical orbit).  Therefore, the force and the direction of motion are perpendicular, and no work is done.</p>
<p>Consider this: while work must be done to lift an object off the ground(to move it in the direction of the applied force) and get the object moving forward (to change its kinetic energy by accelerating it), no additional energy is needed to carry the object forward at a constant velocity and constant height.  Because the direction of motion (forward) is perpendicular to the direction of the lifting force (upward), the work done is zero.  (In mathematical terms, work is a dot-product: it takes two vector arguments and returns a scalar answer depending on the degree to which the two vectors are collinear.)</p>
<p>To put it another way, the fact that kinetic energy is based on the square of the velocity makes it direction-independent.  In a one-dimensional system, this is a simple as saying</p>
<p>(-v)^2 = (v)^2</p>
<p>In a 2-dimesional sense, remember that the resultant velocity is the hypotenuse of the triangle made from the perpendicular component legs.  So</p>
<p>(1/2)m(Vx)^2 + (1/2)m(Vy)^2 = (1/2)m(Vr)^2</p>
<p>reduces to</p>
<p>(Vx)^2 + (Vy)^2 = (Vr)^2</p>
<p>  &#8211;  the Pythagorean theorem!</p>
<p>Therefore, the resultant (i.e. overall) velocity will remain constant even as the component lengths change.  (This also holds true for 3- and even <i>n</i>-dimensional motion.)</p>
<p>Of course, when an object is not at one of the &#8220;-helions&#8221; in an elliptical orbit, the force of gravity is not perpendicular to the tangential velocity, so this non-perpendicular force of gravity does change the overall velocity, and therefore the kinetic energy.  But this change is caused in the component of the velocity vector which is collinear to the force, which is to say, the radial component.  Therefore, the change in kinetic energy is exactly offset by the change in potential energy as the object moves to a different distance from the sun.  (Indeed, you can argue that the work done by the force in that direction is &#8220;used&#8221; to change the energy form one form to the other.)  Any way you look at it, the total mechanical energy of the system remains constant.  (At least in a Newtonian/Keplerian an system.)</p>
<p>(Note:  I know that &#8220;V&#8221; is not the correct abbreviation for &#8220;velocity&#8221;, but I don&#8217;t know if this blog supports the sub-script tag, and I wanted to use an upper-case letter to make my sub-scripts look small.)</p>
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		<title>By: TR</title>
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		<dc:creator>TR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Apr 2006 17:51:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is true that no real orbit is a prefect ellipse or perfect circle - no &lt;i&gt;real&lt;/i&gt; shape is ever a &lt;i&gt;perfect&lt;/i&gt; shape.

But don&#039;t forget, cardoso, to say that all orbits are elliptical does not rule out the possibility that an orbit may be circular: a circle is a special-case solution of the ellipse.  Just as a square is a rectangle with equal-length sides, a circle is an ellipse with equal-length semimajor and semiminor axes (and both foci in the same place).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is true that no real orbit is a prefect ellipse or perfect circle &#8211; no <i>real</i> shape is ever a <i>perfect</i> shape.</p>
<p>But don&#8217;t forget, cardoso, to say that all orbits are elliptical does not rule out the possibility that an orbit may be circular: a circle is a special-case solution of the ellipse.  Just as a square is a rectangle with equal-length sides, a circle is an ellipse with equal-length semimajor and semiminor axes (and both foci in the same place).</p>
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		<title>By: Tambo</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2006/04/19/messenger-images-of-the-earth/comment-page-1/#comment-14292</link>
		<dc:creator>Tambo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Apr 2006 11:25:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All very wild and wonderful. Even for a plumber looking out at Night. Way cool.</description>
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		<title>By: Kaptain K</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2006/04/19/messenger-images-of-the-earth/comment-page-1/#comment-14293</link>
		<dc:creator>Kaptain K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Apr 2006 10:33:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A &quot;perfectly circular orbit&quot; is impossible in any n-body system in which n&gt;2. In fact, a &quot;perfectly elliptical orbit&quot; is also impossible!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A &#8220;perfectly circular orbit&#8221; is impossible in any n-body system in which n&gt;2. In fact, a &#8220;perfectly elliptical orbit&#8221; is also impossible!</p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2006/04/19/messenger-images-of-the-earth/comment-page-1/#comment-14296</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Apr 2006 04:58:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah, this topic is one neat example of how I simply cannot wrap my head around physics. It seems to require more visualization (and math!) than I can muster.

To get to Mercury, you need to shed energy, or the spacecraft won&#039;t start to fall inward towards the sun. But once you get there, you need higher velocity, since Mercury is traveling faster than the earth. That&#039;s kind of weird!

The issue of eliptical orbits also interests me. As far as I know, all planets, and moons for that matter, have eliptical orbits of verious degrees of eccentricity.

What I wonder is this: is a perfectly circular orbit possible in theory? I would think that even if it is, such an orbit is extremely unlikely simply because any orbit must, of necessity, have a history. In order to achieve a perfectly circular orbit, you&#039;d have to start out with exactly the right conditions of velocity and direction, and it seems to me that in a natural system, the chances are very slim that bodies condensing out of a preplanetary disk will ever happen to have just the right velocities to ensure that they end up with a perfectly cicular orbit.

But  don&#039;t know. I wonder if anyone else here can tell me. Is a circular orbit possible in principle, and real orbits elliptical simply because of historical contingencies, or must an orbit always be elliptical?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, this topic is one neat example of how I simply cannot wrap my head around physics. It seems to require more visualization (and math!) than I can muster.</p>
<p>To get to Mercury, you need to shed energy, or the spacecraft won&#8217;t start to fall inward towards the sun. But once you get there, you need higher velocity, since Mercury is traveling faster than the earth. That&#8217;s kind of weird!</p>
<p>The issue of eliptical orbits also interests me. As far as I know, all planets, and moons for that matter, have eliptical orbits of verious degrees of eccentricity.</p>
<p>What I wonder is this: is a perfectly circular orbit possible in theory? I would think that even if it is, such an orbit is extremely unlikely simply because any orbit must, of necessity, have a history. In order to achieve a perfectly circular orbit, you&#8217;d have to start out with exactly the right conditions of velocity and direction, and it seems to me that in a natural system, the chances are very slim that bodies condensing out of a preplanetary disk will ever happen to have just the right velocities to ensure that they end up with a perfectly cicular orbit.</p>
<p>But  don&#8217;t know. I wonder if anyone else here can tell me. Is a circular orbit possible in principle, and real orbits elliptical simply because of historical contingencies, or must an orbit always be elliptical?</p>
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		<title>By: cardoso</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2006/04/19/messenger-images-of-the-earth/comment-page-1/#comment-14295</link>
		<dc:creator>cardoso</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Apr 2006 03:53:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Or Cosmos teached me wrong or ALL orbits are elliptical. I think you wanted to say Mercury orbit is VERY elliptical. OR I may need to read some new theories, maybe something involving platonic solids...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Or Cosmos teached me wrong or ALL orbits are elliptical. I think you wanted to say Mercury orbit is VERY elliptical. OR I may need to read some new theories, maybe something involving platonic solids&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Kyle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kyle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Apr 2006 03:42:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK probably not a smart question but I have always wondered....why do most of the pictures from other planetary missions always (that I remember) have the Earth&#039;s frame of reference pointed other than &quot;up-down&quot; with the poles?  From this photo the poles are almost perpendicular.  Does this have something to do with solar panal alignment?  The old picture I remember from Ulysses was also tilted but it used RTGs right?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK probably not a smart question but I have always wondered&#8230;.why do most of the pictures from other planetary missions always (that I remember) have the Earth&#8217;s frame of reference pointed other than &#8220;up-down&#8221; with the poles?  From this photo the poles are almost perpendicular.  Does this have something to do with solar panal alignment?  The old picture I remember from Ulysses was also tilted but it used RTGs right?</p>
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		<title>By: Cindy</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2006/04/19/messenger-images-of-the-earth/comment-page-1/#comment-14297</link>
		<dc:creator>Cindy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Apr 2006 02:44:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was showing this blog to my physics students this morning since we&#039;re talking about gravity and orbits.  One of my students thought the URL at the top said &quot;Bad Ass Astronomy&quot;!  ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was showing this blog to my physics students this morning since we&#8217;re talking about gravity and orbits.  One of my students thought the URL at the top said &#8220;Bad Ass Astronomy&#8221;!  <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Tim G</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Apr 2006 22:30:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One possible explanation for insertion at Mercury perihelion is that Earth and Venus run on their own schedules.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One possible explanation for insertion at Mercury perihelion is that Earth and Venus run on their own schedules.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim G</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Apr 2006 22:19:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is a contacts link on the page with the trajectory diagram linked in the footnote.  If anyone here REALLY wants an eloquent explanation, then maybe one of those people can tell us.

It does seem a bit odd that the launch date was August 3rd 2004 and the first planetary swingby was with Earth on August 2nd 2005.  That&#039;s almost exactly one year later, so Earth was in almost the same position.  It seems to me that launch could have been delayed until August 2nd 2005 if the weather cooperated and safety margins were still good.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is a contacts link on the page with the trajectory diagram linked in the footnote.  If anyone here REALLY wants an eloquent explanation, then maybe one of those people can tell us.</p>
<p>It does seem a bit odd that the launch date was August 3rd 2004 and the first planetary swingby was with Earth on August 2nd 2005.  That&#8217;s almost exactly one year later, so Earth was in almost the same position.  It seems to me that launch could have been delayed until August 2nd 2005 if the weather cooperated and safety margins were still good.</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas Siefert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thomas Siefert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Apr 2006 19:55:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s nice to see a rock magazine calling ID for pseudoscience.

Rock, really... eh... Rocks!</description>
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<p>Rock, really&#8230; eh&#8230; Rocks!</p>
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		<title>By: Toren Atkinson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Toren Atkinson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Apr 2006 19:05:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Rolling Stone article on Bush mentions his anti-science agenda:
http://www.rollingstone.com/news/profile/story/9961300/the_worst_president_in_history?rnd=1145555726696&amp;has-player=false</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Rolling Stone article on Bush mentions his anti-science agenda:<br />
<a href="http://www.rollingstone.com/news/profile/story/9961300/the_worst_president_in_history?rnd=1145555726696&#038;has-player=false" rel="nofollow">http://www.rollingstone.com/news/profile/story/9961300/the_worst_president_in_history?rnd=1145555726696&#038;has-player=false</a></p>
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