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	<title>Comments on: Star Trek 11: Doomed</title>
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	<description>I am an astronomer, writer, and skeptic. I likes reality the way it is, and I aims to keep it that way. My real name is Phil Plait, and I run the Bad Astronomy blog.</description>
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		<title>By: Stone Age Scientist</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2006/04/23/star-trek-11-doomed/comment-page-1/#comment-189369</link>
		<dc:creator>Stone Age Scientist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Jun 2009 09:44:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So Phil, is Star Trek 11 still doomed? :) Got this link, amongst many, while using the search function. I am looking for the article where you explained the (bad) science in Star Trek.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So Phil, is Star Trek 11 still doomed? <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  Got this link, amongst many, while using the search function. I am looking for the article where you explained the (bad) science in Star Trek.</p>
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		<title>By: JEFF BEERITZ</title>
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		<dc:creator>JEFF BEERITZ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 May 2006 18:54:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a strong regarding suspition about the 11th chapter of the Star Trek universe. If they have the story. A strong story which bolds, bluntly to the franchise, they should go with it. too thumbs up... Plus the movie will have a great upcoming Writter/Director. Above all, long live the Franchise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a strong regarding suspition about the 11th chapter of the Star Trek universe. If they have the story. A strong story which bolds, bluntly to the franchise, they should go with it. too thumbs up&#8230; Plus the movie will have a great upcoming Writter/Director. Above all, long live the Franchise.</p>
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		<title>By: Mungascr</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mungascr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Apr 2006 10:22:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Frell, sorry about that double post -that wasn&#039;t supposed to have happened!

&#039;has&#039; was intended as &#039;had&#039; at the start there &amp; well the missing spaces are obvious. [sigh]

Wish we could edit our posts on-line here ..

While on TV -SF &amp; the works of Abrams &amp; Whedon(again all IMHON &amp; please remember all art is subjective) :

&#039;Lost&#039; started well but trailed off with too many flashbacks and absurdities.

&#039;Buffy&#039; and &#039;Angel&#039; were fun with good dialogue and some nice satire - not to mention eye-candy and the odd bit to make you think.

Personally, my own favourite TV-SF shows were : &#039;Babylon5&#039;, &#039;Dr Who&#039; &amp; &#039;StarBlazers&#039; (aka &#039;Spacebattlecruiser Yamato&#039; a kids anime which took the idea of a spaceship somewhat literally but which got me hooked on SF.)

As far as finding science (or viewing pleasure) goes in all TV / movie forms of SF, my advice is take them for what they are but as &#039;Trek&#039; goes I&#039;ve got to admit I feel I&#039;ve taken enough.

Let it rest Trekkies,its been a fun ride but let it rest in peace.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Frell, sorry about that double post -that wasn&#8217;t supposed to have happened!</p>
<p>&#8216;has&#8217; was intended as &#8216;had&#8217; at the start there &amp; well the missing spaces are obvious. [sigh]</p>
<p>Wish we could edit our posts on-line here ..</p>
<p>While on TV -SF &amp; the works of Abrams &amp; Whedon(again all IMHON &amp; please remember all art is subjective) :</p>
<p>&#8216;Lost&#8217; started well but trailed off with too many flashbacks and absurdities.</p>
<p>&#8216;Buffy&#8217; and &#8216;Angel&#8217; were fun with good dialogue and some nice satire &#8211; not to mention eye-candy and the odd bit to make you think.</p>
<p>Personally, my own favourite TV-SF shows were : &#8216;Babylon5&#8242;, &#8216;Dr Who&#8217; &amp; &#8216;StarBlazers&#8217; (aka &#8216;Spacebattlecruiser Yamato&#8217; a kids anime which took the idea of a spaceship somewhat literally but which got me hooked on SF.)</p>
<p>As far as finding science (or viewing pleasure) goes in all TV / movie forms of SF, my advice is take them for what they are but as &#8216;Trek&#8217; goes I&#8217;ve got to admit I feel I&#8217;ve taken enough.</p>
<p>Let it rest Trekkies,its been a fun ride but let it rest in peace.</p>
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		<title>By: Mungascr</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2006/04/23/star-trek-11-doomed/comment-page-1/#comment-14418</link>
		<dc:creator>Mungascr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Apr 2006 10:03:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Star Trek - and Istress this is of course all strictly In My Humble Opinion Naturally - would have been much better off if it has stopped forever with &#039;Voyager&#039;.

The Original Series was ground-breaking for its time.
The Next Generation was a welcome revival.
&#039;Deep Space 9&#039; &amp; &#039;Voyager&#039; had their moments ..

&#039;Enterprise&#039; -- errkkk -- contradictory and really a backward step in many more ways than just chronologically.

Movies wise - I didn&#039;t think &#039;Nemeisis&#039; was as bad as its been tarred but much preferred Isaac Asimov&#039;s eponymous novel which had nothing to do with Trek! ;)

If they were going to make another Trek movie (which I wouldn&#039;t recomend really, IMHON, the franchise has become decidedly stale and past its used-up date)then isn&#039;t it time one of the later spin-off&#039;s got the nod?

I enjoyed &#039;Serenity&#039; and &#039;Firefly&#039; but resurrecting Kirk and spock isn&#039;t CPR but necrophilia ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Star Trek &#8211; and Istress this is of course all strictly In My Humble Opinion Naturally &#8211; would have been much better off if it has stopped forever with &#8216;Voyager&#8217;.</p>
<p>The Original Series was ground-breaking for its time.<br />
The Next Generation was a welcome revival.<br />
&#8216;Deep Space 9&#8242; &amp; &#8216;Voyager&#8217; had their moments ..</p>
<p>&#8216;Enterprise&#8217; &#8212; errkkk &#8212; contradictory and really a backward step in many more ways than just chronologically.</p>
<p>Movies wise &#8211; I didn&#8217;t think &#8216;Nemeisis&#8217; was as bad as its been tarred but much preferred Isaac Asimov&#8217;s eponymous novel which had nothing to do with Trek! <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>If they were going to make another Trek movie (which I wouldn&#8217;t recomend really, IMHON, the franchise has become decidedly stale and past its used-up date)then isn&#8217;t it time one of the later spin-off&#8217;s got the nod?</p>
<p>I enjoyed &#8216;Serenity&#8217; and &#8216;Firefly&#8217; but resurrecting Kirk and spock isn&#8217;t CPR but necrophilia &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Irishman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Irishman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Apr 2006 16:19:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Frelling&quot; is the Farscape&#039;s version of the TV Sci Fi friendly stand in for another F word expletive and emphasizer.

Battlestar Gallactica uses &quot;Frack&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Frelling&#8221; is the Farscape&#8217;s version of the TV Sci Fi friendly stand in for another F word expletive and emphasizer.</p>
<p>Battlestar Gallactica uses &#8220;Frack&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: icemith</title>
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		<dc:creator>icemith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Apr 2006 16:45:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Buzz Parsec, for putting me straight with the origin of &#039;frelling&#039;. I guess I will have to watch it as I noticed it is in our TV guide. Or did you mean the newspaper cartoon strip &#039;Farscape&#039;? I can usually expect a birthday card of that theme from my sister most years. Not really anything to do with Sci-Fi or Space though. But meaning &quot;Belgium&quot;?? I fail to see the connection, it&#039;s got to be way out.

And I would have to agree with Jack Hagerty, that &#039;2001 - A Space Odessy&#039; was/is the most realistic portrial of space conditions etc. at least until the ending. I was never perplexed by it, explaining it to others was a problem though.

Ivan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Buzz Parsec, for putting me straight with the origin of &#8216;frelling&#8217;. I guess I will have to watch it as I noticed it is in our TV guide. Or did you mean the newspaper cartoon strip &#8216;Farscape&#8217;? I can usually expect a birthday card of that theme from my sister most years. Not really anything to do with Sci-Fi or Space though. But meaning &#8220;Belgium&#8221;?? I fail to see the connection, it&#8217;s got to be way out.</p>
<p>And I would have to agree with Jack Hagerty, that &#8217;2001 &#8211; A Space Odessy&#8217; was/is the most realistic portrial of space conditions etc. at least until the ending. I was never perplexed by it, explaining it to others was a problem though.</p>
<p>Ivan.</p>
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		<title>By: Buzz Parsec</title>
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		<dc:creator>Buzz Parsec</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Apr 2006 08:15:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Random thoughts:

I used to love the Tom Corbett books when I was in the 4th grade... But I thought
the vacuum tube bit was a trick question on one of his exams.  I remember it
especially due to the fact that vacuum tubes were clearly obsolete at the time
(early 60&#039;s), so even in the 4th grade, it struck me as very funny.

&quot;Frelling&quot; is from &quot;Farscape&quot;.   It seems to mean about the same thing as
&quot;Belgium.&quot;

Movies are almost always worse than the book.  I wonder if this is also true
of screenplays?   The only exception I can think of to this rule is &quot;Jaws.&quot;
&quot;The DaVinci Code&quot; may also prove to be an exception, but I don&#039;t have high
hopes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Random thoughts:</p>
<p>I used to love the Tom Corbett books when I was in the 4th grade&#8230; But I thought<br />
the vacuum tube bit was a trick question on one of his exams.  I remember it<br />
especially due to the fact that vacuum tubes were clearly obsolete at the time<br />
(early 60&#8242;s), so even in the 4th grade, it struck me as very funny.</p>
<p>&#8220;Frelling&#8221; is from &#8220;Farscape&#8221;.   It seems to mean about the same thing as<br />
&#8220;Belgium.&#8221;</p>
<p>Movies are almost always worse than the book.  I wonder if this is also true<br />
of screenplays?   The only exception I can think of to this rule is &#8220;Jaws.&#8221;<br />
&#8220;The DaVinci Code&#8221; may also prove to be an exception, but I don&#8217;t have high<br />
hopes.</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas Siefert</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2006/04/23/star-trek-11-doomed/comment-page-1/#comment-14419</link>
		<dc:creator>Thomas Siefert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Apr 2006 05:06:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joss Whedon wrote â€œAlien:Resurrectionâ€, The crew of the spaceship &quot;Betty&quot; from this movie is person for person, with a few gender changes, basically the crew of &quot;Serenity&quot; from &quot;Firefly&quot;.

Try just for fun to compare them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joss Whedon wrote â€œAlien:Resurrectionâ€, The crew of the spaceship &#8220;Betty&#8221; from this movie is person for person, with a few gender changes, basically the crew of &#8220;Serenity&#8221; from &#8220;Firefly&#8221;.</p>
<p>Try just for fun to compare them.</p>
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		<title>By: Jack Hagerty</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2006/04/23/star-trek-11-doomed/comment-page-1/#comment-14416</link>
		<dc:creator>Jack Hagerty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Apr 2006 18:55:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Will. M. says: &quot;Has no one above seen the Discovery channelâ€™s paen to Star Trek with Kirk/Shatner â€œaccusedâ€ of authoring the current techno revolution? Shatner interviews the now-grown scientists on the technology in Star Trek which inspired them.&quot;

Including Seth Shostak of the SETI institute, on whose show our own BA frequently appears.

- Jack</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Will. M. says: &#8220;Has no one above seen the Discovery channelâ€™s paen to Star Trek with Kirk/Shatner â€œaccusedâ€ of authoring the current techno revolution? Shatner interviews the now-grown scientists on the technology in Star Trek which inspired them.&#8221;</p>
<p>Including Seth Shostak of the SETI institute, on whose show our own BA frequently appears.</p>
<p>- Jack</p>
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		<title>By: Jack Hagerty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jack Hagerty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Apr 2006 18:53:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tom K says: &quot;No space-oriented movie or TV show that Iâ€™m aware of other than â€œ2001â€³ has ever really approached anything resembling reality.&quot;

&quot;Die Frau im Mond&quot; (1929) German, Fritz Lang director with Hermann Oberth as technical adviser.

&quot;Destination Moon&quot; (1950) US, George Pal producer, Chesley Bonestell and Robert Heinlein advisers.

Together with 2001 (which had Fred Ordway as the main tech adviser) these three films are the only ones to dipict spaceflight correctly, at least within the limitations of knowlege at the time. For more on why, see &quot;Spaceship Handbook&quot; (modestly written by me, but now out of print).

- Jack</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom K says: &#8220;No space-oriented movie or TV show that Iâ€™m aware of other than â€œ2001â€³ has ever really approached anything resembling reality.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Die Frau im Mond&#8221; (1929) German, Fritz Lang director with Hermann Oberth as technical adviser.</p>
<p>&#8220;Destination Moon&#8221; (1950) US, George Pal producer, Chesley Bonestell and Robert Heinlein advisers.</p>
<p>Together with 2001 (which had Fred Ordway as the main tech adviser) these three films are the only ones to dipict spaceflight correctly, at least within the limitations of knowlege at the time. For more on why, see &#8220;Spaceship Handbook&#8221; (modestly written by me, but now out of print).</p>
<p>- Jack</p>
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		<title>By: The Bad Astronomer</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Bad Astronomer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Apr 2006 16:23:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>sfwriter-- nice montage! I thought the music was First Contact, but the last few seconds were different than the opening theme. What was the music from?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sfwriter&#8211; nice montage! I thought the music was First Contact, but the last few seconds were different than the opening theme. What was the music from?</p>
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		<title>By: SFwriter</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2006/04/23/star-trek-11-doomed/comment-page-1/#comment-14413</link>
		<dc:creator>SFwriter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Apr 2006 08:37:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pop over here and watch this 14Mb file.  It is a wonderful fan-made video from Trek United to help us make people aware of the campaign to save Enterpirse (the show) by financing it ourselves.  We raised 3.4 million dollars, but the studio refused the money saying they were much more interested in cancelling the show.  The video was dropped off the site because of bandwidth constraints.  I found a new place to keep it where bandwidth is not a problem.  It&#039;s the only file I have on there right now, so just click on it and watch it live...

http://www.putfile.com/sfwriter

Feel free to join our new Enterprise:Direct to DVD campaign.  This looks like it has a pretty good chance of success and won&#039;t cost anything as D2DVD is highly profitable for the studio.  Sign our petition at trekunited.com...  And it might help head off this potentially horrible Academy Series...  Not to put TOO fine a point on it, but Spock was already 65 when Kirk was born...  It&#039;s all STUPID -- the series won&#039;t make any sense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pop over here and watch this 14Mb file.  It is a wonderful fan-made video from Trek United to help us make people aware of the campaign to save Enterpirse (the show) by financing it ourselves.  We raised 3.4 million dollars, but the studio refused the money saying they were much more interested in cancelling the show.  The video was dropped off the site because of bandwidth constraints.  I found a new place to keep it where bandwidth is not a problem.  It&#8217;s the only file I have on there right now, so just click on it and watch it live&#8230;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.putfile.com/sfwriter" rel="nofollow">http://www.putfile.com/sfwriter</a></p>
<p>Feel free to join our new Enterprise:Direct to DVD campaign.  This looks like it has a pretty good chance of success and won&#8217;t cost anything as D2DVD is highly profitable for the studio.  Sign our petition at trekunited.com&#8230;  And it might help head off this potentially horrible Academy Series&#8230;  Not to put TOO fine a point on it, but Spock was already 65 when Kirk was born&#8230;  It&#8217;s all STUPID &#8212; the series won&#8217;t make any sense.</p>
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		<title>By: Briarking</title>
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		<dc:creator>Briarking</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Apr 2006 07:55:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Did Joss Whedon really write &quot;Alien:Resurection&quot;? I did not know that. He also wrote the Buffy and Angel series, and I cannot stomach either of those. Firefly and even Serenity were unbelievably well written, and everything else I&#039;ve ever seen of Whedon&#039;s sucks. So maybe the Trek writers will beat their odds. That being said, I still am not too hopeful about the new Trek. Prequels have always seemed like desperate marketing to me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did Joss Whedon really write &#8220;Alien:Resurection&#8221;? I did not know that. He also wrote the Buffy and Angel series, and I cannot stomach either of those. Firefly and even Serenity were unbelievably well written, and everything else I&#8217;ve ever seen of Whedon&#8217;s sucks. So maybe the Trek writers will beat their odds. That being said, I still am not too hopeful about the new Trek. Prequels have always seemed like desperate marketing to me.</p>
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		<title>By: icemith</title>
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		<dc:creator>icemith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Apr 2006 07:25:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alexander, &#039;...frelled with...&#039; ? My dictionary says, &quot; &#039;Frell&#039; could not be found &quot;. But it seems a nice synonym for other words that start with &#039;F&#039;. Such as &#039;fiddled with&#039;.

And to Bad Albert, what about &#039;Never never&#039;?

Ivan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alexander, &#8216;&#8230;frelled with&#8230;&#8217; ? My dictionary says, &#8221; &#8216;Frell&#8217; could not be found &#8220;. But it seems a nice synonym for other words that start with &#8216;F&#8217;. Such as &#8216;fiddled with&#8217;.</p>
<p>And to Bad Albert, what about &#8216;Never never&#8217;?</p>
<p>Ivan.</p>
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		<title>By: Alexander Case</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alexander Case</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Apr 2006 03:54:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, and I knew right away that Serenity was going to be godaweful. After all, Joss Whedon wrote &quot;Alien: Ressurection.&quot; How good can he be?

However, with a little research it isn&#039;t hard to learn that Joss&#039;s script bore little to resemblance to the final product. How do we know that the situation wasn&#039;t similar with Armageddon, that Michael Bay didn&#039;t keep the bits he liked in the screenplay and dump the rest? In fact, looking at the IMDB credits I see the following:
&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;IMDB.com&quot;&gt;Robert Roy Pool	 	(story) and
Jonathan Hensleigh	 	(story)

Tony Gilroy	 	(adaptation) and
Shane Salerno	 	(adaptation)

Jonathan Hensleigh	 	(screenplay) and
J.J. Abrams	 	(screenplay)&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Further, since then Abrams has made much better work (Alias &amp; Lost). So, either he has greatly improved, or his previous screenplays got frelled with by the director.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, and I knew right away that Serenity was going to be godaweful. After all, Joss Whedon wrote &#8220;Alien: Ressurection.&#8221; How good can he be?</p>
<p>However, with a little research it isn&#8217;t hard to learn that Joss&#8217;s script bore little to resemblance to the final product. How do we know that the situation wasn&#8217;t similar with Armageddon, that Michael Bay didn&#8217;t keep the bits he liked in the screenplay and dump the rest? In fact, looking at the IMDB credits I see the following:</p>
<blockquote cite="IMDB.com"><p>Robert Roy Pool	 	(story) and<br />
Jonathan Hensleigh	 	(story)</p>
<p>Tony Gilroy	 	(adaptation) and<br />
Shane Salerno	 	(adaptation)</p>
<p>Jonathan Hensleigh	 	(screenplay) and<br />
J.J. Abrams	 	(screenplay)</p></blockquote>
<p>Further, since then Abrams has made much better work (Alias &amp; Lost). So, either he has greatly improved, or his previous screenplays got frelled with by the director.</p>
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		<title>By: Bad Albert</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2006/04/23/star-trek-11-doomed/comment-page-1/#comment-14378</link>
		<dc:creator>Bad Albert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Apr 2006 02:35:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Icemith,

I meant to say, &quot;No Star Trek movie will EVER be able to top that SNL sketch&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Icemith,</p>
<p>I meant to say, &#8220;No Star Trek movie will EVER be able to top that SNL sketch&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: BigJohn756</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2006/04/23/star-trek-11-doomed/comment-page-1/#comment-14379</link>
		<dc:creator>BigJohn756</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Apr 2006 23:57:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anyone remember Tom Corbett and the Space Cadets? Quite accurate scientifically.  I remember the episode where some evil adversary smashed their transmitter and Tom decided that they had to blast off and go into space so that they could use their vacuum tube transmitter in the vacuum of space because all of the bottles were broken.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anyone remember Tom Corbett and the Space Cadets? Quite accurate scientifically.  I remember the episode where some evil adversary smashed their transmitter and Tom decided that they had to blast off and go into space so that they could use their vacuum tube transmitter in the vacuum of space because all of the bottles were broken.</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas Siefert</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2006/04/23/star-trek-11-doomed/comment-page-1/#comment-14380</link>
		<dc:creator>Thomas Siefert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Apr 2006 21:31:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Astronomer: &quot;In this picture the anomaly is first located, in this picture the anomaly is....&quot;

President: &quot;Stop this anomaly crap, what is it?&quot;

NASA Director: &quot;It&#039;s a new Star Trek movie approaching earth with the speed of a warp and with a plot that will probably make it a failure the size of Texas, Sir&quot;

President: &quot;Do you mean that....?&quot;

NASA Director: &quot;Yes Sir, Kirk is... back&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Astronomer: &#8220;In this picture the anomaly is first located, in this picture the anomaly is&#8230;.&#8221;</p>
<p>President: &#8220;Stop this anomaly crap, what is it?&#8221;</p>
<p>NASA Director: &#8220;It&#8217;s a new Star Trek movie approaching earth with the speed of a warp and with a plot that will probably make it a failure the size of Texas, Sir&#8221;</p>
<p>President: &#8220;Do you mean that&#8230;.?&#8221;</p>
<p>NASA Director: &#8220;Yes Sir, Kirk is&#8230; back&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Walt</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2006/04/23/star-trek-11-doomed/comment-page-1/#comment-14382</link>
		<dc:creator>Walt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Apr 2006 17:50:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Only one trip to startrek.com will comfirm that it is reality...

But I wish it weren&#039;t.

I am a big fan of the genre, but this is a bad idea from the start.  The movie might aptly be named:

Star Trek XI: When Kirk met Spock

Basically that&#039;s the premise (read it on the site!) -- Kirk and Spock in their academy days.

To me, this is as bad an idea as &quot;Star Wars 3.5 - Luke&#039;s boyhood days&quot;.

For the first time in my life, I&#039;m not looking forward to more Trek.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Only one trip to startrek.com will comfirm that it is reality&#8230;</p>
<p>But I wish it weren&#8217;t.</p>
<p>I am a big fan of the genre, but this is a bad idea from the start.  The movie might aptly be named:</p>
<p>Star Trek XI: When Kirk met Spock</p>
<p>Basically that&#8217;s the premise (read it on the site!) &#8212; Kirk and Spock in their academy days.</p>
<p>To me, this is as bad an idea as &#8220;Star Wars 3.5 &#8211; Luke&#8217;s boyhood days&#8221;.</p>
<p>For the first time in my life, I&#8217;m not looking forward to more Trek.</p>
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		<title>By: Kim</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2006/04/23/star-trek-11-doomed/comment-page-1/#comment-14381</link>
		<dc:creator>Kim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Apr 2006 17:40:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>According to Fark.com, this is nothing more than an internet rumor:

http://www.syfyportal.com/news.php?id=2489</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>According to Fark.com, this is nothing more than an internet rumor:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.syfyportal.com/news.php?id=2489" rel="nofollow">http://www.syfyportal.com/news.php?id=2489</a></p>
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		<title>By: Will. M.</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2006/04/23/star-trek-11-doomed/comment-page-1/#comment-14387</link>
		<dc:creator>Will. M.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Apr 2006 17:31:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I forgot to mention that the entire Star Trek franchise - the various television series and the movies - are also discussed, but rather shallowly, by some of the cast members in the two-hour program I mentioned above.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I forgot to mention that the entire Star Trek franchise &#8211; the various television series and the movies &#8211; are also discussed, but rather shallowly, by some of the cast members in the two-hour program I mentioned above.</p>
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		<title>By: Toren</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2006/04/23/star-trek-11-doomed/comment-page-1/#comment-14388</link>
		<dc:creator>Toren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Apr 2006 17:29:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Weird. I just watched Regarding Henry and ST: Nemesis this weekend.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Weird. I just watched Regarding Henry and ST: Nemesis this weekend.</p>
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		<title>By: Will. M.</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2006/04/23/star-trek-11-doomed/comment-page-1/#comment-14384</link>
		<dc:creator>Will. M.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Apr 2006 17:25:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Has no one above seen the Discovery channel&#039;s paen to Star Trek with Kirk/Shatner &quot;accused&quot; of authoring the current techno revolution?  The premise is that many scientists as youngsters were inspired by the &quot;technology&quot; of the future as displayed in the series.  Shatner narrates/stars in the two(!) hour program with his tongue firmly planted in his cheek as he interviews the now-grown scientists on the technology in Star Trek which inspired them.  The BBC had something to do with this program also.  So it seems that even with the bad science often displayed, the ideas were plausible enough to cause some budding geniuses to begin pondering the possible...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Has no one above seen the Discovery channel&#8217;s paen to Star Trek with Kirk/Shatner &#8220;accused&#8221; of authoring the current techno revolution?  The premise is that many scientists as youngsters were inspired by the &#8220;technology&#8221; of the future as displayed in the series.  Shatner narrates/stars in the two(!) hour program with his tongue firmly planted in his cheek as he interviews the now-grown scientists on the technology in Star Trek which inspired them.  The BBC had something to do with this program also.  So it seems that even with the bad science often displayed, the ideas were plausible enough to cause some budding geniuses to begin pondering the possible&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2006/04/23/star-trek-11-doomed/comment-page-1/#comment-14383</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Apr 2006 17:22:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s been a saying amungst fans going back as far as I can remember.

&quot;Even numbered Star Trek movies don&#039;t suck.&quot;

Through #6, it was true.  #8 was iffy.  10?  Feh.

11 is an odd number...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s been a saying amungst fans going back as far as I can remember.</p>
<p>&#8220;Even numbered Star Trek movies don&#8217;t suck.&#8221;</p>
<p>Through #6, it was true.  #8 was iffy.  10?  Feh.</p>
<p>11 is an odd number&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: SFwriter</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2006/04/23/star-trek-11-doomed/comment-page-1/#comment-14386</link>
		<dc:creator>SFwriter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Apr 2006 17:09:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Reveals content of ST:Nemesis&lt;/strong&gt;

How can you not &lt;strong&gt;&lt;i&gt;LOVE&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/strong&gt; Nemesis for one of the most perfidious and pernicious puns ever perpetrated on the public? (I just phrased it that way to show I was alliterate) :mrgreen:

During the fight scene between Jean Luc and his clone, the latter is &quot;run-through&quot; with a deadly pointy object to the extent that he is lifted right of the ground by Jean Luc!

He was hoist by his own Picard!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Reveals content of ST:Nemesis</strong></p>
<p>How can you not <strong><i>LOVE</i></strong> Nemesis for one of the most perfidious and pernicious puns ever perpetrated on the public? (I just phrased it that way to show I was alliterate) <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_mrgreen.gif' alt=':mrgreen:' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>During the fight scene between Jean Luc and his clone, the latter is &#8220;run-through&#8221; with a deadly pointy object to the extent that he is lifted right of the ground by Jean Luc!</p>
<p>He was hoist by his own Picard!</p>
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