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		<title>By: P. Edward Murray</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2006/05/10/randi-on-autism/comment-page-1/#comment-14879</link>
		<dc:creator>P. Edward Murray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 May 2006 06:39:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeff,

I feel your pain man, I really do. I got razed and picked on until finally I moved to Ohio and was considered normal I guess.

Kids can be cruel but so can Teachers too and I hope there is a special place for these folks, God forgive me.

Not one child should ever be fearful of going to school!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff,</p>
<p>I feel your pain man, I really do. I got razed and picked on until finally I moved to Ohio and was considered normal I guess.</p>
<p>Kids can be cruel but so can Teachers too and I hope there is a special place for these folks, God forgive me.</p>
<p>Not one child should ever be fearful of going to school!</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Knapp</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2006/05/10/randi-on-autism/comment-page-1/#comment-14880</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Knapp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 May 2006 20:40:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As someone with Asperger&#039;s Sydrome myself and the parent of a child with AS (and an uncle to a nephew with autism), I am all too familiar with dealing with all of the pseudo-scence and other misinformation that surrounds autism spectrum disorders.

It is very, very painful to watch my son have go through the same living hell I did as a kid, being picked on, bullied incessantly, not being able to &quot;connect&quot; with the other kids in school, being the &quot;odd one,&quot; the nerd, geek, etc. Not having any friends, feeling like, as my son puts it, &quot;All of the other kids hate me.&quot; Dealing with the tantrums, the depression, the anxiety and paranoia; it hurts like hell. To add insult to all of that is all the pseudo-science and quackery that one has to wade through to find help.

If I come off angry, it&#039;s because I am. We are directly affected by the con artists, quacks, and pseudo-science pushers who seem to be able to outshine, shove aside, and elbow their way in between the real science that offers real potential for help. Things like the Time Magazine article just add to this crap. And the only voices out there to counter the high-profile nonsense are blogs like this one -- with much smaller audiences and far less influence and impact than outlets like Time Magazine.

It sucks folks. Yes, being a parent to a child with autism sucks. Being an adult with autism sucks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As someone with Asperger&#8217;s Sydrome myself and the parent of a child with AS (and an uncle to a nephew with autism), I am all too familiar with dealing with all of the pseudo-scence and other misinformation that surrounds autism spectrum disorders.</p>
<p>It is very, very painful to watch my son have go through the same living hell I did as a kid, being picked on, bullied incessantly, not being able to &#8220;connect&#8221; with the other kids in school, being the &#8220;odd one,&#8221; the nerd, geek, etc. Not having any friends, feeling like, as my son puts it, &#8220;All of the other kids hate me.&#8221; Dealing with the tantrums, the depression, the anxiety and paranoia; it hurts like hell. To add insult to all of that is all the pseudo-science and quackery that one has to wade through to find help.</p>
<p>If I come off angry, it&#8217;s because I am. We are directly affected by the con artists, quacks, and pseudo-science pushers who seem to be able to outshine, shove aside, and elbow their way in between the real science that offers real potential for help. Things like the Time Magazine article just add to this crap. And the only voices out there to counter the high-profile nonsense are blogs like this one &#8212; with much smaller audiences and far less influence and impact than outlets like Time Magazine.</p>
<p>It sucks folks. Yes, being a parent to a child with autism sucks. Being an adult with autism sucks.</p>
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		<title>By: Troy</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2006/05/10/randi-on-autism/comment-page-1/#comment-14882</link>
		<dc:creator>Troy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 May 2006 04:33:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This reminds me of Heracles slaying the hydra, you kill one head and before you know it two heads pop up in its place.  FC has been around at least 15 years, when it is put to the test it ultimately fails.  Why does it keep popping up?  Maybe for the same reasons we still have astrology and psychics, you&#039;ll get to hear what you want to hear so long as you believe.  Put it to the test and it falls down like a house of cards.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This reminds me of Heracles slaying the hydra, you kill one head and before you know it two heads pop up in its place.  FC has been around at least 15 years, when it is put to the test it ultimately fails.  Why does it keep popping up?  Maybe for the same reasons we still have astrology and psychics, you&#8217;ll get to hear what you want to hear so long as you believe.  Put it to the test and it falls down like a house of cards.</p>
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		<title>By: Grand Lunar</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2006/05/10/randi-on-autism/comment-page-1/#comment-14881</link>
		<dc:creator>Grand Lunar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 May 2006 02:47:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This just goes to show how aweful pseudoscience can be sometimes.
Getting one&#039;s hopes up, only to find it either doesn&#039;t work or is just a scam really must hurt.

Great lines at the ending of the entry, BA. So very true.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This just goes to show how aweful pseudoscience can be sometimes.<br />
Getting one&#8217;s hopes up, only to find it either doesn&#8217;t work or is just a scam really must hurt.</p>
<p>Great lines at the ending of the entry, BA. So very true.</p>
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		<title>By: Peptron</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2006/05/10/randi-on-autism/comment-page-1/#comment-14883</link>
		<dc:creator>Peptron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 May 2006 15:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From what I understand, people that have severe enough autism to use FC are often those that can&#039;t learn to read. So how are they supposed to be able to know how to type on a keyboard?

Also, wouldn&#039;t playing Ouija exclusively with people that are illiterate bring better results?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From what I understand, people that have severe enough autism to use FC are often those that can&#8217;t learn to read. So how are they supposed to be able to know how to type on a keyboard?</p>
<p>Also, wouldn&#8217;t playing Ouija exclusively with people that are illiterate bring better results?</p>
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		<title>By: Gary Ansorge</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gary Ansorge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 May 2006 15:06:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Years ago(1993) I had the good fortune to experience drumming with Mr. Remo, of Remo drum skins. He had designed and built a six sided drum table that allowed people with various neurological deficits ( Alzheimers, dementia, etc)to sit and drum with one another. I know music is a very high level form of communication and the feel of vibrations in the skin of the table may facilitate that effort. I wonder how drumming would work with an autistic individual? The major emphasis in this example is on call and response, something I understand autistic folk are generally unable to do in a vocalized setting, but drumming is much easier than speech.

At any rate, it might be worth trying. Who knows, perhaps a little success in one area might feedback to improvement in another. Don&#039;t know &#039;til we try.

GAry 7</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Years ago(1993) I had the good fortune to experience drumming with Mr. Remo, of Remo drum skins. He had designed and built a six sided drum table that allowed people with various neurological deficits ( Alzheimers, dementia, etc)to sit and drum with one another. I know music is a very high level form of communication and the feel of vibrations in the skin of the table may facilitate that effort. I wonder how drumming would work with an autistic individual? The major emphasis in this example is on call and response, something I understand autistic folk are generally unable to do in a vocalized setting, but drumming is much easier than speech.</p>
<p>At any rate, it might be worth trying. Who knows, perhaps a little success in one area might feedback to improvement in another. Don&#8217;t know &#8217;til we try.</p>
<p>GAry 7</p>
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		<title>By: Respectful Insolence</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2006/05/10/randi-on-autism/comment-page-1/#comment-14885</link>
		<dc:creator>Respectful Insolence</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 May 2006 14:17:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Kev takes &#039;em on twice while Orac sits back...&lt;/strong&gt;

Tara&#039;s post yesterday about Mercury and Mythology about how mercury in vaccines does not cause autism and about a recent story demonstrating tht mercury as used in dental amalgams is safe, coupled with Phil Plait&#039;s discussion of an article in......</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Kev takes &#8216;em on twice while Orac sits back&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>Tara&#8217;s post yesterday about Mercury and Mythology about how mercury in vaccines does not cause autism and about a recent story demonstrating tht mercury as used in dental amalgams is safe, coupled with Phil Plait&#8217;s discussion of an article in&#8230;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Alex W.</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2006/05/10/randi-on-autism/comment-page-1/#comment-14886</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex W.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 May 2006 08:08:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know, if FC was ever to be taken seriously, it&#039;d just have to create some sort of &quot;facilitation&quot; apparatus for the wrist and arm. After all, if they&#039;re just assisting in a movement the patient is trying to make, it should be possible to program a machine to do the same thing.

It&#039;s kind of telling that (as far as I know) nobody in the FC field seems to be trying to make such a breakthrough.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know, if FC was ever to be taken seriously, it&#8217;d just have to create some sort of &#8220;facilitation&#8221; apparatus for the wrist and arm. After all, if they&#8217;re just assisting in a movement the patient is trying to make, it should be possible to program a machine to do the same thing.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s kind of telling that (as far as I know) nobody in the FC field seems to be trying to make such a breakthrough.</p>
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		<title>By: Sticks</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sticks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 May 2006 07:37:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My understanding is that Autism and Autisic Spectrum Disorders are a subset of neurodiverse conditions, including dyslexia, dispraxia , tourettes, ADHD. A neurodiverse condition is sort of a miss-wiring of the brain, sort of like the original pentium chip which had a flaw that made it get certain sums wrong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My understanding is that Autism and Autisic Spectrum Disorders are a subset of neurodiverse conditions, including dyslexia, dispraxia , tourettes, ADHD. A neurodiverse condition is sort of a miss-wiring of the brain, sort of like the original pentium chip which had a flaw that made it get certain sums wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: jess tauber</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2006/05/10/randi-on-autism/comment-page-1/#comment-14888</link>
		<dc:creator>jess tauber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 May 2006 04:41:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a linguist very interested in cognition I&#039;ve been boning up on some new views of autism, including one that claims that the various problems under the umbrella term can largely be ascribed to overmasculinization of the brain, which greatly exaggerates the differential tendencies already seen between your average man and woman.

If this new idea is correct, then the deficits are deep and structural, and unlikely to be helped much by anything like FC.

Jess Tauber</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a linguist very interested in cognition I&#8217;ve been boning up on some new views of autism, including one that claims that the various problems under the umbrella term can largely be ascribed to overmasculinization of the brain, which greatly exaggerates the differential tendencies already seen between your average man and woman.</p>
<p>If this new idea is correct, then the deficits are deep and structural, and unlikely to be helped much by anything like FC.</p>
<p>Jess Tauber</p>
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		<title>By: DJ</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2006/05/10/randi-on-autism/comment-page-1/#comment-14890</link>
		<dc:creator>DJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 May 2006 22:02:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ms. Clark:&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;I realize itâ€™s easy to slam FC, but itâ€™s not a good idea. More kids should be using it to learn to communicate independently as much as possible.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Well, then it&#039;s not &quot;facilitated communication&quot; is it?  It&#039;s &quot;teaching to type&quot;.

Until the client actually learns to type there is no communication beyond the influence of the &quot;facilitator&quot;, so FC is still a useless concept.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ms. Clark:<br />
<blockquote>&#8220;I realize itâ€™s easy to slam FC, but itâ€™s not a good idea. More kids should be using it to learn to communicate independently as much as possible.</p></blockquote>
<p>Well, then it&#8217;s not &#8220;facilitated communication&#8221; is it?  It&#8217;s &#8220;teaching to type&#8221;.</p>
<p>Until the client actually learns to type there is no communication beyond the influence of the &#8220;facilitator&#8221;, so FC is still a useless concept.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim G</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 May 2006 21:09:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not too long ago (2004) CNN broadcast some production called &quot;Autism is a World&quot;.  It centered on one profoundly autistic woman who suddenly showed strong verbal skills via FC.  The woman supposedly wrote the narration for the film, which received an Oscar nomination.  However, rather than appearing eager to communicate, the woman seemed to be merely complying with her chaperone.  I don&#039;t recall CNN even mentioning the skepticism surrounding FC.  I was appalled that CNN would be suckered this badly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not too long ago (2004) CNN broadcast some production called &#8220;Autism is a World&#8221;.  It centered on one profoundly autistic woman who suddenly showed strong verbal skills via FC.  The woman supposedly wrote the narration for the film, which received an Oscar nomination.  However, rather than appearing eager to communicate, the woman seemed to be merely complying with her chaperone.  I don&#8217;t recall CNN even mentioning the skepticism surrounding FC.  I was appalled that CNN would be suckered this badly.</p>
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		<title>By: Justin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Justin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 May 2006 20:37:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yesterdays Penn Gilette podcast was about this and had james randi on the show. WWW.penn.freefm.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yesterdays Penn Gilette podcast was about this and had james randi on the show. <a href="http://WWW.penn.freefm.com" rel="nofollow">http://WWW.penn.freefm.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Evolving Squid</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2006/05/10/randi-on-autism/comment-page-1/#comment-14892</link>
		<dc:creator>Evolving Squid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 May 2006 19:54:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve never been convinced that depriving people of a false hope is a bad thing.  Removing false hope means accepting reality, and accepting reality is the first step toward getting on with your life in a positive way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve never been convinced that depriving people of a false hope is a bad thing.  Removing false hope means accepting reality, and accepting reality is the first step toward getting on with your life in a positive way.</p>
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		<title>By: TheBlackCat</title>
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		<dc:creator>TheBlackCat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 May 2006 16:58:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ms. Clark, FC practitioners are welcome to win a million dollars any time.  If it works as well as they say it does then they should have no problem with that.  And if they aren&#039;t interested in the money, they can donate it to charity or use it to fund their work, or simply not accept it.  At the very least they will be able to say that it stood up to rigorous scientific scrutiny.  If they don&#039;t like Randi there are a lot of other rewards available from organizations that are not affiliated with him in any way.  So far FC has been shown to be the result of the facilitator, not the subject, most or all of the time.  They are welcome to demonstrate otherwise, under rigorous scientific controls, at any time.  Anecdotes and studies without proper controls are not acceptable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ms. Clark, FC practitioners are welcome to win a million dollars any time.  If it works as well as they say it does then they should have no problem with that.  And if they aren&#8217;t interested in the money, they can donate it to charity or use it to fund their work, or simply not accept it.  At the very least they will be able to say that it stood up to rigorous scientific scrutiny.  If they don&#8217;t like Randi there are a lot of other rewards available from organizations that are not affiliated with him in any way.  So far FC has been shown to be the result of the facilitator, not the subject, most or all of the time.  They are welcome to demonstrate otherwise, under rigorous scientific controls, at any time.  Anecdotes and studies without proper controls are not acceptable.</p>
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		<title>By: Calli Arcale</title>
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		<dc:creator>Calli Arcale</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 May 2006 16:55:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ms Clark, are you up for Randi&#039;s million dollar challenge?  Sounds like you have proof.  You could be rich, if you&#039;re not just saying it works because somebody else told you that it does without offering you anything beyond glowing anecdotes.

Most FC practitioners are probably not con artists.  In fact, most purveyors of useless treatments mean very well.  They honestly do not realize the harm they are doing, or that their treatments are ineffective.  They are a case in point of the statement that a little bit of knowledge is a dangerous thing.  They know enough to convince themselves and others, but not enough to really understand what&#039;s going on.

There was a family who wanted their severely retarded child admitted into the high school marching band.  This child could not play a musical instrument.  This child was barely responsive to the outside world.  The child was not autistic; this child had other problems.  They claimed to be able to communicate with him because he could get yes/no questions right 50% of the time by signalling with his eyes.

Sadly, a lot of people don&#039;t see what&#039;s wrong with that claim.  (For the statistically challenged, it means the child is performing exactly as well as a tossed coin -- there is therefore no evidence of intent.)  And that one&#039;s much easier to see than the problem with facilitated communication.

I have every respect for autistic people.  I am related to a high-functioning autistic person.  Some can pass for normal.  Some cannot feed themselves.  There is a huge variety.  Indeed, some can read.  But not all.  And while you may not find the word &quot;devastating&quot; to be particularily PC, in some cases it is quite accurate.  If your child will never be able to function independently, your future has now been proscribed in a way you never expected.  Is it selfish to feel devastated?  Should parents of autistic children be made to feel guilty for dreading such a diagnosis?  Absolutely not.  It *is* a devastating diagnosis.  But after you learn about it, you deal with it.  Should the kids feel guilty for being a burden?  No.  They can&#039;t help it, and their parents generally would not want them to feel guilty for it.  But it is what it is, and deluding parents will not help the situation at all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ms Clark, are you up for Randi&#8217;s million dollar challenge?  Sounds like you have proof.  You could be rich, if you&#8217;re not just saying it works because somebody else told you that it does without offering you anything beyond glowing anecdotes.</p>
<p>Most FC practitioners are probably not con artists.  In fact, most purveyors of useless treatments mean very well.  They honestly do not realize the harm they are doing, or that their treatments are ineffective.  They are a case in point of the statement that a little bit of knowledge is a dangerous thing.  They know enough to convince themselves and others, but not enough to really understand what&#8217;s going on.</p>
<p>There was a family who wanted their severely retarded child admitted into the high school marching band.  This child could not play a musical instrument.  This child was barely responsive to the outside world.  The child was not autistic; this child had other problems.  They claimed to be able to communicate with him because he could get yes/no questions right 50% of the time by signalling with his eyes.</p>
<p>Sadly, a lot of people don&#8217;t see what&#8217;s wrong with that claim.  (For the statistically challenged, it means the child is performing exactly as well as a tossed coin &#8212; there is therefore no evidence of intent.)  And that one&#8217;s much easier to see than the problem with facilitated communication.</p>
<p>I have every respect for autistic people.  I am related to a high-functioning autistic person.  Some can pass for normal.  Some cannot feed themselves.  There is a huge variety.  Indeed, some can read.  But not all.  And while you may not find the word &#8220;devastating&#8221; to be particularily PC, in some cases it is quite accurate.  If your child will never be able to function independently, your future has now been proscribed in a way you never expected.  Is it selfish to feel devastated?  Should parents of autistic children be made to feel guilty for dreading such a diagnosis?  Absolutely not.  It *is* a devastating diagnosis.  But after you learn about it, you deal with it.  Should the kids feel guilty for being a burden?  No.  They can&#8217;t help it, and their parents generally would not want them to feel guilty for it.  But it is what it is, and deluding parents will not help the situation at all.</p>
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		<title>By: Lucas V. B.</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2006/05/10/randi-on-autism/comment-page-1/#comment-14893</link>
		<dc:creator>Lucas V. B.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 May 2006 16:43:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post! Reminds me of this great, great quote I saw in Wikipedia:

&quot;Scientists are a bunch of killjoys, but they have a disconcerting habit of backing up their arguments with actual evidence&quot; â€” Robert Merkel (he&#039;s a Wikipedian)

Pretty much sums it up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post! Reminds me of this great, great quote I saw in Wikipedia:</p>
<p>&#8220;Scientists are a bunch of killjoys, but they have a disconcerting habit of backing up their arguments with actual evidence&#8221; â€” Robert Merkel (he&#8217;s a Wikipedian)</p>
<p>Pretty much sums it up.</p>
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		<title>By: Ms. Clark</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2006/05/10/randi-on-autism/comment-page-1/#comment-14895</link>
		<dc:creator>Ms. Clark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 May 2006 16:30:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At one time FC attracted all kinds of weirdos to it.  Now it&#039;s not like that.  FC works, there are prinicples behind the fact that autistic people can&#039;t always move their hands on their own but can with someone helping.  The thing is that the faciliator works on become less and less needed so that the person can type independently.  Believe it or not all FC is not bunk.  It&#039;s real.

If you go to www.gettingthetruthout.org and read through it all the way, you&#039;ll learn what autism is and why people shouldn&#039;t be using phrases like, &quot;devastating.&quot;  Autistic people read.  How would you like to read that the effect *of you* was devastating on your parents.  Autistics don&#039;t separate autism from who they are.

http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=85

http://www.gettingthetruthout.org/pagee001.html

I think that&#039;s on this week&#039;s Skeptic&#039;s Circle.

I realize it&#039;s easy to slam FC, but it&#039;s not a good idea.  More kids should be using it to learn to communicate independently as much as possible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At one time FC attracted all kinds of weirdos to it.  Now it&#8217;s not like that.  FC works, there are prinicples behind the fact that autistic people can&#8217;t always move their hands on their own but can with someone helping.  The thing is that the faciliator works on become less and less needed so that the person can type independently.  Believe it or not all FC is not bunk.  It&#8217;s real.</p>
<p>If you go to <a href="http://www.gettingthetruthout.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.gettingthetruthout.org</a> and read through it all the way, you&#8217;ll learn what autism is and why people shouldn&#8217;t be using phrases like, &#8220;devastating.&#8221;  Autistic people read.  How would you like to read that the effect *of you* was devastating on your parents.  Autistics don&#8217;t separate autism from who they are.</p>
<p><a href="http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=85" rel="nofollow">http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=85</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.gettingthetruthout.org/pagee001.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.gettingthetruthout.org/pagee001.html</a></p>
<p>I think that&#8217;s on this week&#8217;s Skeptic&#8217;s Circle.</p>
<p>I realize it&#8217;s easy to slam FC, but it&#8217;s not a good idea.  More kids should be using it to learn to communicate independently as much as possible.</p>
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		<title>By: Bad Albert</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2006/05/10/randi-on-autism/comment-page-1/#comment-14897</link>
		<dc:creator>Bad Albert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 May 2006 15:30:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, skeptics are frequently criticized for spoiling people&#039;s &quot;fun&quot;.

&quot;What&#039;s the harm with people believing in psychics or being able to talk to dead relatives? It makes them happy.&quot;

With FC we are finding out what the harm is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, skeptics are frequently criticized for spoiling people&#8217;s &#8220;fun&#8221;.</p>
<p>&#8220;What&#8217;s the harm with people believing in psychics or being able to talk to dead relatives? It makes them happy.&#8221;</p>
<p>With FC we are finding out what the harm is.</p>
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		<title>By: aiabx</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2006/05/10/randi-on-autism/comment-page-1/#comment-14900</link>
		<dc:creator>aiabx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 May 2006 14:24:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The question of skeptics depriving people of hope has come up before in my life, and I had a hard time justifying it until I concluded that I was protecting the desperate from being victimized by con artists. A family member was seriously ill, and the question of alternative treatments came up. Fortunately, she recovered with the aid of good old western medicine, because I really didn&#039;t want to be the one to say &quot;We aren&#039;t mortgaging the house to pay some quack&quot;, especially when you throw the placebo effect into the mix. It&#039;s tough, and it has to be worse when kids are involved.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The question of skeptics depriving people of hope has come up before in my life, and I had a hard time justifying it until I concluded that I was protecting the desperate from being victimized by con artists. A family member was seriously ill, and the question of alternative treatments came up. Fortunately, she recovered with the aid of good old western medicine, because I really didn&#8217;t want to be the one to say &#8220;We aren&#8217;t mortgaging the house to pay some quack&#8221;, especially when you throw the placebo effect into the mix. It&#8217;s tough, and it has to be worse when kids are involved.</p>
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		<title>By: Blake Stacey</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2006/05/10/randi-on-autism/comment-page-1/#comment-14899</link>
		<dc:creator>Blake Stacey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 May 2006 14:21:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was going to mention the &lt;i&gt;Law &amp; Order&lt;/i&gt; episode too, but I see Zachary beat me to it.  Good job on the fast recall.  I think the episode was &quot;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.tv.com/law-and-order/cruel-and-unusual/episode/9567/summary.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Cruel and Unusual&lt;/a&gt;&quot;, which aired during the fifth season on 19 April 1995.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was going to mention the <i>Law &amp; Order</i> episode too, but I see Zachary beat me to it.  Good job on the fast recall.  I think the episode was &#8220;<a href="http://www.tv.com/law-and-order/cruel-and-unusual/episode/9567/summary.html" rel="nofollow">Cruel and Unusual</a>&#8220;, which aired during the fifth season on 19 April 1995.</p>
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		<title>By: Tank</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2006/05/10/randi-on-autism/comment-page-1/#comment-14898</link>
		<dc:creator>Tank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 May 2006 13:33:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve had a few encounters with autistic children and I know I would have a hard time dealing with it. But when it comes down to it the reason these people(quacks and con artists) go after the parents is because they know they love their children and will do anything for them. I hope that when I have children they&#039;re nice and healthy with no problems other than maybe being overly skeptical.

Skepticism is a very healthy thing to have even if it&#039;s not pleasant at times. The truth is something that should always be attained even when what it&#039;s saying isn&#039;t what we want to hear.

Nice site. Keep it up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve had a few encounters with autistic children and I know I would have a hard time dealing with it. But when it comes down to it the reason these people(quacks and con artists) go after the parents is because they know they love their children and will do anything for them. I hope that when I have children they&#8217;re nice and healthy with no problems other than maybe being overly skeptical.</p>
<p>Skepticism is a very healthy thing to have even if it&#8217;s not pleasant at times. The truth is something that should always be attained even when what it&#8217;s saying isn&#8217;t what we want to hear.</p>
<p>Nice site. Keep it up.</p>
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		<title>By: Sticks</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2006/05/10/randi-on-autism/comment-page-1/#comment-14901</link>
		<dc:creator>Sticks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 May 2006 12:20:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Having an ASD myself I checked this out with our &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nas.org.uk&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;National Autistic Society&lt;/a&gt; and they have &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nas.org.uk/nas/jsp/polopoly.jsp?d=297&amp;a=3285&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this document&lt;/a&gt; which echoes similar criticisms such as

&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;National Autisic Society UK&quot;&gt; In more than 90% of cases the responses were found to be influenced unwittingly by the facilitators rather than the clients.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Having an ASD myself I checked this out with our <a href="http://www.nas.org.uk" rel="nofollow">National Autistic Society</a> and they have <a href="http://www.nas.org.uk/nas/jsp/polopoly.jsp?d=297&amp;a=3285" rel="nofollow">this document</a> which echoes similar criticisms such as</p>
<blockquote cite="National Autisic Society UK"><p> In more than 90% of cases the responses were found to be influenced unwittingly by the facilitators rather than the clients.
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		<title>By: Zachary Kessin</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2006/05/10/randi-on-autism/comment-page-1/#comment-14902</link>
		<dc:creator>Zachary Kessin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 May 2006 11:09:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There was an episode of Law and Order many years ago (I don&#039;t remember exactly when) where a boy who has major disabilites may have witnessed a crime and there is a court room test of FC. The prosecution shows the boy a set of images with the mother (who is the facilitator) not looking. &quot;He&quot; types the wrong thing each time.

It was a good episode, and it ends with some of the laywers feeling bad for the mom who has just discovered that she has been typing to herself for quite some time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There was an episode of Law and Order many years ago (I don&#8217;t remember exactly when) where a boy who has major disabilites may have witnessed a crime and there is a court room test of FC. The prosecution shows the boy a set of images with the mother (who is the facilitator) not looking. &#8220;He&#8221; types the wrong thing each time.</p>
<p>It was a good episode, and it ends with some of the laywers feeling bad for the mom who has just discovered that she has been typing to herself for quite some time.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex W.</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2006/05/10/randi-on-autism/comment-page-1/#comment-14904</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex W.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 May 2006 09:52:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve got a colleague with an autistic sibling, and she&#039;s constantly gobsmacked by the nonsense coming out of some of these people. The most shocking being the suggestion that chemical castration is a viable treatment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve got a colleague with an autistic sibling, and she&#8217;s constantly gobsmacked by the nonsense coming out of some of these people. The most shocking being the suggestion that chemical castration is a viable treatment.</p>
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