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		<title>By: Brooke</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2006/06/08/floppy-disk/#comment-11897</link>
		<dc:creator>Brooke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jul 2007 20:20:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Brooke...&lt;/strong&gt;

 Introduction In nursing particularly, absolute competence is a must...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Brooke&#8230;</strong></p>
<p> Introduction In nursing particularly, absolute competence is a must&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Mungascr</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2006/06/08/floppy-disk/#comment-11873</link>
		<dc:creator>Mungascr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jun 2006 06:34:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Could it be an evolving Galaxy in transition?

A  spiral galaxyin the process of forming that&#039;s somehow appearing at an earlier developmental stage than it should be based on its distance?

An interacting pair of galaxies which we can&#039;t disentangle yet?

An Sa,SB, SBc type spiral masquerading as an SO type spiral? Could the central-bulge-size-spiral type law be wrong at least in this case?

Whichever turns out to be the case a great image and great set of questions. Love to hear what BA&#039;s friend finally says.

Finally, stars like galaxies are termed &#039;later&#039; or &#039;earlier&#039; regarding spectral type with no (or very tenuous?) evolutionary connection - for example Vega (type A0) is termed an earlier spectral type than Altair (A7), Tau Ceti (G8) is of &quot;later&quot; spectral type than our Sun (G2) and in the whole system spectral types O-F are generally termed &#039;early&#039; and F-M (or now T~L?) described as &#039;late.&#039; As I understand it anyhow.

Stars and galaxies do evolve and transform from one type to another but in complex ways and not just from &quot;early&quot; to &quot;late&quot; ... Galaxies often change (esp. via merger) from &quot;late&quot; spiral types to &quot;early&quot; ellipticals.  (Our Milky Way will merge with M31 Andromda and undergo this shift.)The same can occur with stars too. Eg. the star that became Supernova 1987A moved from being a &quot;late&quot; type red supergiant to an &quot;early&quot; type blue supergiant star before blowing itself apart.

Misleading word use perhaps? But still useful as a descriptive term if you understand the underlying concepts?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Could it be an evolving Galaxy in transition?</p>
<p>A  spiral galaxyin the process of forming that&#8217;s somehow appearing at an earlier developmental stage than it should be based on its distance?</p>
<p>An interacting pair of galaxies which we can&#8217;t disentangle yet?</p>
<p>An Sa,SB, SBc type spiral masquerading as an SO type spiral? Could the central-bulge-size-spiral type law be wrong at least in this case?</p>
<p>Whichever turns out to be the case a great image and great set of questions. Love to hear what BA&#8217;s friend finally says.</p>
<p>Finally, stars like galaxies are termed &#8216;later&#8217; or &#8216;earlier&#8217; regarding spectral type with no (or very tenuous?) evolutionary connection &#8211; for example Vega (type A0) is termed an earlier spectral type than Altair (A7), Tau Ceti (G8) is of &#8220;later&#8221; spectral type than our Sun (G2) and in the whole system spectral types O-F are generally termed &#8216;early&#8217; and F-M (or now T~L?) described as &#8216;late.&#8217; As I understand it anyhow.</p>
<p>Stars and galaxies do evolve and transform from one type to another but in complex ways and not just from &#8220;early&#8221; to &#8220;late&#8221; &#8230; Galaxies often change (esp. via merger) from &#8220;late&#8221; spiral types to &#8220;early&#8221; ellipticals.  (Our Milky Way will merge with M31 Andromda and undergo this shift.)The same can occur with stars too. Eg. the star that became Supernova 1987A moved from being a &#8220;late&#8221; type red supergiant to an &#8220;early&#8221; type blue supergiant star before blowing itself apart.</p>
<p>Misleading word use perhaps? But still useful as a descriptive term if you understand the underlying concepts?</p>
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		<title>By: icemith</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2006/06/08/floppy-disk/#comment-11874</link>
		<dc:creator>icemith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jun 2006 18:07:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If Mark asked that, I would have to question Mark &quot;Why?&quot;

( But was Mark in &quot;Airplane!&quot; with Leslie Nielsen? )

Ivan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If Mark asked that, I would have to question Mark &#8220;Why?&#8221;</p>
<p>( But was Mark in &#8220;Airplane!&#8221; with Leslie Nielsen? )</p>
<p>Ivan.</p>
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		<title>By: icemith</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2006/06/08/floppy-disk/#comment-11875</link>
		<dc:creator>icemith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jun 2006 17:53:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Huh?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Huh?</p>
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		<title>By: SFwriter</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2006/06/08/floppy-disk/#comment-11876</link>
		<dc:creator>SFwriter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jun 2006 12:37:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;May I ask a question?&quot;

&quot;What is it?&quot;

&quot;It&#039;s an interogative statement designed to elicit information, but that&#039;s not important right now!&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;May I ask a question?&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;What is it?&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;It&#8217;s an interogative statement designed to elicit information, but that&#8217;s not important right now!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: icemith</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2006/06/08/floppy-disk/#comment-11887</link>
		<dc:creator>icemith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jun 2006 16:04:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Irishman, for the detail. I assumed there may not be evidence of large angle reflections, or small ones for that matter. Refraction I had considered, but there again, it is only small angles that are involved.

On a different tack now, what about the common depiction of the curved space ie. the saddle? Is our &#039;line of sight&#039; confined to the curvature of space-- our &#039;straight&#039; view is actually curved. In other words, can we not really see across that curve? Only along the curved plane, as though it was a light pipe?

If so it would imply that light is reflected off that boundary. Of course the angles would remain small, and what would the boundary be made of? Gravity again?

Ivan.      (obviously I&#039;m trying to wear out my Question Mark key, don&#039;t you think?)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Irishman, for the detail. I assumed there may not be evidence of large angle reflections, or small ones for that matter. Refraction I had considered, but there again, it is only small angles that are involved.</p>
<p>On a different tack now, what about the common depiction of the curved space ie. the saddle? Is our &#8216;line of sight&#8217; confined to the curvature of space&#8211; our &#8216;straight&#8217; view is actually curved. In other words, can we not really see across that curve? Only along the curved plane, as though it was a light pipe?</p>
<p>If so it would imply that light is reflected off that boundary. Of course the angles would remain small, and what would the boundary be made of? Gravity again?</p>
<p>Ivan.      (obviously I&#8217;m trying to wear out my Question Mark key, don&#8217;t you think?)</p>
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		<title>By: Irishman</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2006/06/08/floppy-disk/#comment-11890</link>
		<dc:creator>Irishman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jun 2006 17:27:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>icemith, not so much reflection, but there is refraction - images bent around large gravitational objects.  So yes, we do have pictures with the same object shown in multiple places.  Phil&#039;s even posted some here.  However, it doesn&#039;t give us a different angle view on the object.  I think it&#039;s the geometry of the distant background object being in the right place for the optics to work out means the viewing angle won&#039;t be significantly different.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>icemith, not so much reflection, but there is refraction &#8211; images bent around large gravitational objects.  So yes, we do have pictures with the same object shown in multiple places.  Phil&#8217;s even posted some here.  However, it doesn&#8217;t give us a different angle view on the object.  I think it&#8217;s the geometry of the distant background object being in the right place for the optics to work out means the viewing angle won&#8217;t be significantly different.</p>
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		<title>By: icemith</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2006/06/08/floppy-disk/#comment-11889</link>
		<dc:creator>icemith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jun 2006 16:54:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ooops, second last paragraph, &quot;Who knows if some of the galaxies we see now, are only reflections.&#039; is what I meant to say. Sorry &#039;bout that.

And would Gravity rule the idea out anyway?

Ivan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ooops, second last paragraph, &#8220;Who knows if some of the galaxies we see now, are only reflections.&#8217; is what I meant to say. Sorry &#8217;bout that.</p>
<p>And would Gravity rule the idea out anyway?</p>
<p>Ivan.</p>
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		<title>By: icemith</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2006/06/08/floppy-disk/#comment-11896</link>
		<dc:creator>icemith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jun 2006 16:47:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also, just wondering, is there any evidence of a mechanism in space whereby a large scale reflection of nearby (relatively so) objects like another galaxy, and this would show a different angle. If light is bent slightly around objects, due to gravity, maybe we could also have that different view. Who knows if some of the galaxies we see are not reflections.

I&#039;m reminded of this question because I use the view in a nearby store window when reversing into a parking space. If available, it does give a different view.

Ivan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also, just wondering, is there any evidence of a mechanism in space whereby a large scale reflection of nearby (relatively so) objects like another galaxy, and this would show a different angle. If light is bent slightly around objects, due to gravity, maybe we could also have that different view. Who knows if some of the galaxies we see are not reflections.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m reminded of this question because I use the view in a nearby store window when reversing into a parking space. If available, it does give a different view.</p>
<p>Ivan.</p>
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		<title>By: icemith</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2006/06/08/floppy-disk/#comment-11895</link>
		<dc:creator>icemith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jun 2006 16:34:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeez,  I missed that one too.

Maybe I should not get out as much.

Ivan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeez,  I missed that one too.</p>
<p>Maybe I should not get out as much.</p>
<p>Ivan.</p>
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