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	<description>I am an astronomer, writer, and skeptic. I likes reality the way it is, and I aims to keep it that way. My real name is Phil Plait, and I run the Bad Astronomy blog.</description>
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		<title>By: Moonage SpaceDream</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2006/06/20/does-al-gore-read-ba/comment-page-1/#comment-16313</link>
		<dc:creator>Moonage SpaceDream</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jul 2007 18:11:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Roswell just won&#8217;t go away&#8230;&#8230;....&lt;/strong&gt;

Not too long ago, I was referred to in an unflattering way by Al Gore ( et al ):
&#8230;the people who still say that global warming isnâ€™t real are actually in the same boat with the flat earth society. They get together and party on Saturday nights ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Roswell just won&#8217;t go away&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.</strong></p>
<p>Not too long ago, I was referred to in an unflattering way by Al Gore ( et al ):<br />
&#8230;the people who still say that global warming isnâ€™t real are actually in the same boat with the flat earth society. They get together and party on Saturday nights &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Moonage SpaceDream</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2006/06/20/does-al-gore-read-ba/comment-page-1/#comment-16312</link>
		<dc:creator>Moonage SpaceDream</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 May 2007 14:39:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Global warming has nothing to do with hurricanes?...&lt;/strong&gt;

CNN is reporting this:
Hurricanes over the past 5,000 years appear to have been controlled more by El Nino and an African monsoon than warm sea surface temperatures, such as those caused by global warming, researchers said Wednesday.
The study, publish...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Global warming has nothing to do with hurricanes?&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>CNN is reporting this:<br />
Hurricanes over the past 5,000 years appear to have been controlled more by El Nino and an African monsoon than warm sea surface temperatures, such as those caused by global warming, researchers said Wednesday.<br />
The study, publish&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Subtropical storm Andrea at Moonage SpaceDream</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2006/06/20/does-al-gore-read-ba/comment-page-1/#comment-16311</link>
		<dc:creator>Subtropical storm Andrea at Moonage SpaceDream</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 May 2007 18:22:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] people will tell me having a named storm this early in the year is a result of global warming tho.Â  And of course, if I question that assertion, SOME people will claim I believe in UFO&#8217;s and a ....Â  So, I&#8217;m gonna nip it in the bud and make the claim now that since this cloudburst does not [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] people will tell me having a named storm this early in the year is a result of global warming tho.Â  And of course, if I question that assertion, SOME people will claim I believe in UFO&#8217;s and a &#8230;.Â  So, I&#8217;m gonna nip it in the bud and make the claim now that since this cloudburst does not [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Steve S</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2006/06/20/does-al-gore-read-ba/comment-page-1/#comment-16267</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Aug 2006 18:02:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We&#039;ve all read the facts (hopefully) for both sides of the argument on anthropogenic global warming, so I&#039;m not going to change anybody&#039;s mind by citing &quot;such-and-such&quot; study. Only further data can prove that one side is correct. Or if you&#039;re Al Gore, we already have that data. Probably in a &#039;lockbox&#039; somewhere ;) However, I have a problem with one of Nigel&#039;s points:

&quot;If Iâ€™m wrong, what have we got to lose? We develop more efficient ways of using energy. We develop means of generating electricity that do not use fossil fules (or at least, reduce the use of fossil fuels....&quot;, and so on.

I feel like a lot of environmentalists jump on the global warming bandwagon because it seeks the same end result they do: less pollution, cleaner forms of energy, worldwide conservation, recycling. Getting behind global warming and then saying that &quot;at least we did the world some other kind of good&quot; if it turns out to be false is a cop-out. Stick with your beliefs for the right reason, and don&#039;t endorse something you aren&#039;t fully educated in. I&#039;m not necessarily accusing Nigel of that, but that argument is word for word what I hear from environmentalists with no scientific background.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We&#8217;ve all read the facts (hopefully) for both sides of the argument on anthropogenic global warming, so I&#8217;m not going to change anybody&#8217;s mind by citing &#8220;such-and-such&#8221; study. Only further data can prove that one side is correct. Or if you&#8217;re Al Gore, we already have that data. Probably in a &#8216;lockbox&#8217; somewhere <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' />  However, I have a problem with one of Nigel&#8217;s points:</p>
<p>&#8220;If Iâ€™m wrong, what have we got to lose? We develop more efficient ways of using energy. We develop means of generating electricity that do not use fossil fules (or at least, reduce the use of fossil fuels&#8230;.&#8221;, and so on.</p>
<p>I feel like a lot of environmentalists jump on the global warming bandwagon because it seeks the same end result they do: less pollution, cleaner forms of energy, worldwide conservation, recycling. Getting behind global warming and then saying that &#8220;at least we did the world some other kind of good&#8221; if it turns out to be false is a cop-out. Stick with your beliefs for the right reason, and don&#8217;t endorse something you aren&#8217;t fully educated in. I&#8217;m not necessarily accusing Nigel of that, but that argument is word for word what I hear from environmentalists with no scientific background.</p>
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		<title>By: Max Fagin</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2006/06/20/does-al-gore-read-ba/comment-page-1/#comment-16302</link>
		<dc:creator>Max Fagin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Jul 2006 03:21:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nigel,

	You accused me of using the â€œOnly a theoryâ€ argument that is used by the opponents of evolution.  I want to show you why thatâ€™s not true.

For something to be deemed a theory, it must satisfy two criteria.

1.  It must provide a working model that explains and fits observable facts.

2.  It must be able to make testable predictions about future events.

        Some things which fall into this category are helio-centrism, continental drift, and, yes, evolution.  Does that make these ideas any less true?  Not at all.

	But does global warming (the idea that humans are causing an increase in the average surface temperature of the Earth) fit the above criteria?  No. As of the time of this writing, there are no climate models which can make reliable predictions about the future state of the climate.  Thus, by strict scientific definitions, global warming isnâ€™t a theory, itâ€™s a hypothesis.  Itâ€™s a proposed way of looking at and describing climate change.  For global warming to be deemed a theory, it must move into the realm of predictions.  Thatâ€™s what defines a scientific theory; the ability to make future predictions.

	It doesnâ€™t matter how much evidence is present, if global warming doesnâ€™t make predictions, itâ€™s not a theory.  There are strong theories like helio-centrism and evolution.  But these theories are accepted by the scientific community because of their predictive power, not because of their preponderance of evidence.

	Now I believe that global warming will someday make the step from hypothesis to theory, but not in its current form.  Just like evolution, new global warming theories will have to be tried, modified, and discarded until the truth emerges.  But until that time comes, the â€œjust a theoryâ€ argument is specious because global warming is not a theory.

At least not yet. . .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nigel,</p>
<p>	You accused me of using the â€œOnly a theoryâ€ argument that is used by the opponents of evolution.  I want to show you why thatâ€™s not true.</p>
<p>For something to be deemed a theory, it must satisfy two criteria.</p>
<p>1.  It must provide a working model that explains and fits observable facts.</p>
<p>2.  It must be able to make testable predictions about future events.</p>
<p>        Some things which fall into this category are helio-centrism, continental drift, and, yes, evolution.  Does that make these ideas any less true?  Not at all.</p>
<p>	But does global warming (the idea that humans are causing an increase in the average surface temperature of the Earth) fit the above criteria?  No. As of the time of this writing, there are no climate models which can make reliable predictions about the future state of the climate.  Thus, by strict scientific definitions, global warming isnâ€™t a theory, itâ€™s a hypothesis.  Itâ€™s a proposed way of looking at and describing climate change.  For global warming to be deemed a theory, it must move into the realm of predictions.  Thatâ€™s what defines a scientific theory; the ability to make future predictions.</p>
<p>	It doesnâ€™t matter how much evidence is present, if global warming doesnâ€™t make predictions, itâ€™s not a theory.  There are strong theories like helio-centrism and evolution.  But these theories are accepted by the scientific community because of their predictive power, not because of their preponderance of evidence.</p>
<p>	Now I believe that global warming will someday make the step from hypothesis to theory, but not in its current form.  Just like evolution, new global warming theories will have to be tried, modified, and discarded until the truth emerges.  But until that time comes, the â€œjust a theoryâ€ argument is specious because global warming is not a theory.</p>
<p>At least not yet. . .</p>
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		<title>By: Missy4AZ</title>
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		<dc:creator>Missy4AZ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Jul 2006 07:01:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello all. I am new, ignorant, but not stupid.  I enjoy thinking scientifically and love rocks most. I&#039;m a primary (1-3) teacher. I am intrigued by your dialogue and grateful that you have spent the life energy to contribute to the rest of us.  I am writing because I want to know more about how we all are thinking about global energy/change/environmental issues.
My deepest question: I wonder what it would be like if all of us were on the same side... like,... what if Dubya and Al and you and I and our dear friends at JunkScience(with whom I am pissed right now because I am reviewing my understading of Rachel Carson and DDT and Integrity)... What if we just all wanted a wonderful, sweet, alive world, where everybody, including the penguins, had enough?
That would mean enough healthy air, water, space, food, and arrangement for everything alive.
Do we share that goal and value?
I don&#039;t really worry about climate change, since I understand that it&#039;s a very complex science, and we may not know what the human impact truly is on the global system.  This does not seem to matter to me in the short run (read: my lifetime).  What does matter is the fact that I am using more than I need, and my impact on resources is more than it needs to be. I checked my Carbon Footprint, and whether you care about the assumptions and calculations or not, I (as an American) am So Way Using More Than Everybody Else!!!!This is not an arguable fact.  I&#039;m an American, and I use much more than others like me on the planet use.
So, I am looking into ways to change these effects. And, I am writing in hopes of inspiring others to focus locally, and care in a way that is inclusive and loving and identifies common needs, because we will not prevail if we do not connect and love each other.  I am sure about that.

I actually hope there is someone who believes that Rachel Carson was an accurate and objective researcher, and who can help me learn about the stuff on JunkScience that seems to refute her work... ack.!
Blessed Be, Missy</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello all. I am new, ignorant, but not stupid.  I enjoy thinking scientifically and love rocks most. I&#8217;m a primary (1-3) teacher. I am intrigued by your dialogue and grateful that you have spent the life energy to contribute to the rest of us.  I am writing because I want to know more about how we all are thinking about global energy/change/environmental issues.<br />
My deepest question: I wonder what it would be like if all of us were on the same side&#8230; like,&#8230; what if Dubya and Al and you and I and our dear friends at JunkScience(with whom I am pissed right now because I am reviewing my understading of Rachel Carson and DDT and Integrity)&#8230; What if we just all wanted a wonderful, sweet, alive world, where everybody, including the penguins, had enough?<br />
That would mean enough healthy air, water, space, food, and arrangement for everything alive.<br />
Do we share that goal and value?<br />
I don&#8217;t really worry about climate change, since I understand that it&#8217;s a very complex science, and we may not know what the human impact truly is on the global system.  This does not seem to matter to me in the short run (read: my lifetime).  What does matter is the fact that I am using more than I need, and my impact on resources is more than it needs to be. I checked my Carbon Footprint, and whether you care about the assumptions and calculations or not, I (as an American) am So Way Using More Than Everybody Else!!!!This is not an arguable fact.  I&#8217;m an American, and I use much more than others like me on the planet use.<br />
So, I am looking into ways to change these effects. And, I am writing in hopes of inspiring others to focus locally, and care in a way that is inclusive and loving and identifies common needs, because we will not prevail if we do not connect and love each other.  I am sure about that.</p>
<p>I actually hope there is someone who believes that Rachel Carson was an accurate and objective researcher, and who can help me learn about the stuff on JunkScience that seems to refute her work&#8230; ack.!<br />
Blessed Be, Missy</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Jul 2006 20:05:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Being that Mother Nature is female , do you really think she&#039;s gonna let mankind dictate when she feels like being warm or cool?  C&#039;MON!!!  Mother Nature is moody and she is getting a little hot for some reason or the other, and we just can&#039;t seem to figure out why or put all the pieces together.

For you married guys, does this sound familiar?  You&#039;ll never understand the mood swings, you never seem to win any arguments, and you get scolded all the time because whatever it us, is not up to her standards.  To stay married to her, you must simply adapt and accept the fact that she is an &quot;unclimable mountain&quot; of irrational reason and emotion.

We can&#039;t fight mother nature folks, we must focus on how to adapt to her changes.  Reducing man-made greenhouse emissions is futile.  You&#039;ll just end up &quot;sleeping on the couch&quot;.

Right now, I think that theory has more weight than what are scientists are currently coming up with.

Phil Plait....GREAT WEBSITE!!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Being that Mother Nature is female , do you really think she&#8217;s gonna let mankind dictate when she feels like being warm or cool?  C&#8217;MON!!!  Mother Nature is moody and she is getting a little hot for some reason or the other, and we just can&#8217;t seem to figure out why or put all the pieces together.</p>
<p>For you married guys, does this sound familiar?  You&#8217;ll never understand the mood swings, you never seem to win any arguments, and you get scolded all the time because whatever it us, is not up to her standards.  To stay married to her, you must simply adapt and accept the fact that she is an &#8220;unclimable mountain&#8221; of irrational reason and emotion.</p>
<p>We can&#8217;t fight mother nature folks, we must focus on how to adapt to her changes.  Reducing man-made greenhouse emissions is futile.  You&#8217;ll just end up &#8220;sleeping on the couch&#8221;.</p>
<p>Right now, I think that theory has more weight than what are scientists are currently coming up with.</p>
<p>Phil Plait&#8230;.GREAT WEBSITE!!!!!</p>
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