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	<title>Comments on: NASA decides there&#8217;s no place like home. And home is no place.</title>
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	<description>I am an astronomer, writer, and skeptic. I likes reality the way it is, and I aims to keep it that way. My real name is Phil Plait, and I run the Bad Astronomy blog.</description>
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		<title>By: Michael Lee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jun 2009 00:34:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can anyone tell me who at NASA decides which missions will fly and which won&#039;t? I&#039;d like to know who the people are and their motivations. I&#039;d also like to know how they got into such a cushy position of responsibility.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can anyone tell me who at NASA decides which missions will fly and which won&#8217;t? I&#8217;d like to know who the people are and their motivations. I&#8217;d also like to know how they got into such a cushy position of responsibility.</p>
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		<title>By: CelticBear&#8217;s Musings &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Is This The Morality, The Values Issues of Which You Spoke Of?</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2006/07/22/nasa-decides-theres-no-place-like-home-and-home-is-no-place/comment-page-1/#comment-17656</link>
		<dc:creator>CelticBear&#8217;s Musings &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Is This The Morality, The Values Issues of Which You Spoke Of?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Sep 2006 14:52:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] To all you people who supported bush, who voted for bush, is this the &#8220;values&#8221; you meant when you said he was a &#8220;values President?&#8221; You people who still support bush, I want to just grab you by the back of your head and rub your face in his crap and yell at you &#8220;Is THIS the &#8216;Christian values&#8217; of which you meant when you voted in this fascist regieme? This administration that keeps trying and trying, usually in underhanded and secret methods, to torture human beings while the rest of the modern world watches in horror? Are degredation of human rights, torture, sometimes of innocent people and despite the fact that it&#8217;s KNOWN to provide unuseable intel; are spying on legal U.S. citizens, and desiring to be able to arrest and detain anyone for life; lying and deceving and strong-arming our country into a war for the purpose of commercial gain while thousands of soldiers die and tens of thousands of civilians die and a country is reduced to rubble and strife and civil war; using fear and deception to keep us too scared to realize the rediculous methods of keeping us safe&#8217; while we&#8217;re less safe than before 9/11; croneyism and incomeptent running of a country by parsing out pieces of it to your friends and loyal supporters despite their incompetence; using lies and force to prevent information regarding global warming from reaching the public so it doesn&#8217;t harm your commercial interests; doing everything you can to allow the rich to get richer and capital gains to get higher while unemployment is worse than it was 6 years ago and may be even worse than the government reports; the poverty level rises and the extreme poverty level rises and the government goes bankrupt; are these &#8216;Good Christian Values&#8217; you look up to bush for?!&#8221; [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] To all you people who supported bush, who voted for bush, is this the &#8220;values&#8221; you meant when you said he was a &#8220;values President?&#8221; You people who still support bush, I want to just grab you by the back of your head and rub your face in his crap and yell at you &#8220;Is THIS the &#8216;Christian values&#8217; of which you meant when you voted in this fascist regieme? This administration that keeps trying and trying, usually in underhanded and secret methods, to torture human beings while the rest of the modern world watches in horror? Are degredation of human rights, torture, sometimes of innocent people and despite the fact that it&#8217;s KNOWN to provide unuseable intel; are spying on legal U.S. citizens, and desiring to be able to arrest and detain anyone for life; lying and deceving and strong-arming our country into a war for the purpose of commercial gain while thousands of soldiers die and tens of thousands of civilians die and a country is reduced to rubble and strife and civil war; using fear and deception to keep us too scared to realize the rediculous methods of keeping us safe&#8217; while we&#8217;re less safe than before 9/11; croneyism and incomeptent running of a country by parsing out pieces of it to your friends and loyal supporters despite their incompetence; using lies and force to prevent information regarding global warming from reaching the public so it doesn&#8217;t harm your commercial interests; doing everything you can to allow the rich to get richer and capital gains to get higher while unemployment is worse than it was 6 years ago and may be even worse than the government reports; the poverty level rises and the extreme poverty level rises and the government goes bankrupt; are these &#8216;Good Christian Values&#8217; you look up to bush for?!&#8221; [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Mungascr</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2006/07/22/nasa-decides-theres-no-place-like-home-and-home-is-no-place/comment-page-1/#comment-17652</link>
		<dc:creator>Mungascr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Sep 2006 08:07:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Umm Troy, what was Jack Schmidt&#039;s response?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Umm Troy, what was Jack Schmidt&#8217;s response?</p>
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		<title>By: Mungascr</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2006/07/22/nasa-decides-theres-no-place-like-home-and-home-is-no-place/comment-page-1/#comment-17653</link>
		<dc:creator>Mungascr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Sep 2006 07:28:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Footnote : By  &#039;13th century thinking&#039; I was referring to things like

&quot;The world is flat&#039; (&amp; only thousands of years old) - &#039;&amp; we can&#039;t explore further or we&#039;ll be faced with the end of the world.&#039;

&quot;Humans have Divine missions to civilise and convert everyone else who are evil pagan savages because they don&#039;t follow exactly what our Holy Books or religious decrees state.&quot;

&quot;The king - or hereditary president - is chosen by God, has absolute power next only to God and any who question his rule or rulings are heretics who must be persecuted and exterminated!&quot;

&quot;If you don&#039;t look or think about something it ceases to exist. If the Church says the Earth don&#039;t spin, or go around the Sun, it don&#039;t.&quot;

(Even then they had folks like Galileo to point out it moves all the same! Now, of course, we have the Republicans helped by the string-pulling Big Oil industry saying pretty much this about the Global Warming issue.)

If you can&#039;t see the parallels here with HerediPrez  &#039;Dubya&#039; George II the Mad then, frankly, I think you need to learn Braille ...

If there one thing I can&#039;t understand about America (and yes, there&#039;s a few) its how so many of you can fail democracy so badly by voting so poorly thus going backwards from Mad King George the Third to an even madder, more despotic George the Second .. Sigh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Footnote : By  &#8216;13th century thinking&#8217; I was referring to things like</p>
<p>&#8220;The world is flat&#8217; (&amp; only thousands of years old) &#8211; &#8216;&amp; we can&#8217;t explore further or we&#8217;ll be faced with the end of the world.&#8217;</p>
<p>&#8220;Humans have Divine missions to civilise and convert everyone else who are evil pagan savages because they don&#8217;t follow exactly what our Holy Books or religious decrees state.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;The king &#8211; or hereditary president &#8211; is chosen by God, has absolute power next only to God and any who question his rule or rulings are heretics who must be persecuted and exterminated!&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;If you don&#8217;t look or think about something it ceases to exist. If the Church says the Earth don&#8217;t spin, or go around the Sun, it don&#8217;t.&#8221;</p>
<p>(Even then they had folks like Galileo to point out it moves all the same! Now, of course, we have the Republicans helped by the string-pulling Big Oil industry saying pretty much this about the Global Warming issue.)</p>
<p>If you can&#8217;t see the parallels here with HerediPrez  &#8216;Dubya&#8217; George II the Mad then, frankly, I think you need to learn Braille &#8230;</p>
<p>If there one thing I can&#8217;t understand about America (and yes, there&#8217;s a few) its how so many of you can fail democracy so badly by voting so poorly thus going backwards from Mad King George the Third to an even madder, more despotic George the Second .. Sigh.</p>
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		<title>By: Mungascr</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2006/07/22/nasa-decides-theres-no-place-like-home-and-home-is-no-place/comment-page-1/#comment-17654</link>
		<dc:creator>Mungascr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Sep 2006 07:09:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RobertTimsah askedabout big companies fundingspaceexploration et al. Problem is the way we humans - &amp; particularly big profit-seekingcompanies think regarding the short-term versus the long term.

Big companies put raking in stacks of profit first above absolutely everything else - above human rights, above the environment, above the future esp. the longer term future.

That&#039;s why they can&#039;t be trusted to develop space exploration or work for the longer term benefit - even if that &#039;longer term&#039; is just decades off rather than fifty or a hundred years.

That axiom is why &quot;corporate ethics&quot; is an oxymoron, why business needs tobe regulatedand cannot be trusted to run public services or act for the good of society.

Space travel, &amp; space-based scientific research deyond the bounds of narrow commercial instances requires government involvement - it takes time, it involves intangible and serendiptious benefits as well as the more obvious $-making ones and it takes an awfully big amount of moolah. Plus it provides longand medium term benefits to everyone - not just thefew consumers or stock-holders of any one large corporation.

That means, by necessity, governments need to be involved and indeed, whole societies do. That&#039;s why NASA is a public, government organisation not an R &amp;D branch of say, MacDonnell-Douglas. Private indutsry, the multinational corporations are by their nature intrinsically unsuited to running broad-based, public-national-&amp;-International good, long-term space programs.



Tragically, the United States has been ideologically blinded to this truism for a long while now; won over by rhetoric about untramelled capitalism that in the long run hurts &amp; is hurting everyone making our planetary &amp; most personal futures far worse than they need be.

This ominous development in the Republican, &quot;Christian&quot; &amp; unbalanced, unchecked capitalist fundamentalist, neo-conservatives war against anything they don&#039;t want to hear -or worse have the public hear is part of that larger picture.  Its yet another reason why everyone needs to oppose that mob for all our sakes.

Is there a place for private enterprise in space - of course there is and probably more so later on when costs go down and technology improves for greater accessibility. But do we also - or even more - need NASA and organisations like it - nationally or even internationally run government based space programs looking out for everyone&#039;s interests and everyones future rather than immediate piles of money? Absolutely yes!

Is this latest signal of mad Prez George the Seconds drive to stick everyone&#039;s heads further in the suffocating sands of illogic and thirteenth century thinking unpleasantly ominous. I sure think so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RobertTimsah askedabout big companies fundingspaceexploration et al. Problem is the way we humans &#8211; &amp; particularly big profit-seekingcompanies think regarding the short-term versus the long term.</p>
<p>Big companies put raking in stacks of profit first above absolutely everything else &#8211; above human rights, above the environment, above the future esp. the longer term future.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s why they can&#8217;t be trusted to develop space exploration or work for the longer term benefit &#8211; even if that &#8216;longer term&#8217; is just decades off rather than fifty or a hundred years.</p>
<p>That axiom is why &#8220;corporate ethics&#8221; is an oxymoron, why business needs tobe regulatedand cannot be trusted to run public services or act for the good of society.</p>
<p>Space travel, &amp; space-based scientific research deyond the bounds of narrow commercial instances requires government involvement &#8211; it takes time, it involves intangible and serendiptious benefits as well as the more obvious $-making ones and it takes an awfully big amount of moolah. Plus it provides longand medium term benefits to everyone &#8211; not just thefew consumers or stock-holders of any one large corporation.</p>
<p>That means, by necessity, governments need to be involved and indeed, whole societies do. That&#8217;s why NASA is a public, government organisation not an R &amp;D branch of say, MacDonnell-Douglas. Private indutsry, the multinational corporations are by their nature intrinsically unsuited to running broad-based, public-national-&amp;-International good, long-term space programs.</p>
<p>Tragically, the United States has been ideologically blinded to this truism for a long while now; won over by rhetoric about untramelled capitalism that in the long run hurts &amp; is hurting everyone making our planetary &amp; most personal futures far worse than they need be.</p>
<p>This ominous development in the Republican, &#8220;Christian&#8221; &amp; unbalanced, unchecked capitalist fundamentalist, neo-conservatives war against anything they don&#8217;t want to hear -or worse have the public hear is part of that larger picture.  Its yet another reason why everyone needs to oppose that mob for all our sakes.</p>
<p>Is there a place for private enterprise in space &#8211; of course there is and probably more so later on when costs go down and technology improves for greater accessibility. But do we also &#8211; or even more &#8211; need NASA and organisations like it &#8211; nationally or even internationally run government based space programs looking out for everyone&#8217;s interests and everyones future rather than immediate piles of money? Absolutely yes!</p>
<p>Is this latest signal of mad Prez George the Seconds drive to stick everyone&#8217;s heads further in the suffocating sands of illogic and thirteenth century thinking unpleasantly ominous. I sure think so.</p>
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		<title>By: Troy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Troy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Jul 2006 06:40:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I tend to agree with Apollo 17 astronaut Jack Schmidt&#039;s response when invited to look at the Earth.  From space Earth is the prettiest of them all though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I tend to agree with Apollo 17 astronaut Jack Schmidt&#8217;s response when invited to look at the Earth.  From space Earth is the prettiest of them all though.</p>
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		<title>By: CelticBear&#8217;s Musings &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Earth? Pah! We don&#8217;t need no stinkin&#8217; Earth!</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2006/07/22/nasa-decides-theres-no-place-like-home-and-home-is-no-place/comment-page-1/#comment-17629</link>
		<dc:creator>CelticBear&#8217;s Musings &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Earth? Pah! We don&#8217;t need no stinkin&#8217; Earth!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Jul 2006 13:40:04 +0000</pubDate>
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