We need to stop being sheeple and just accepting everything we’re told without questioning.

Leon’s site is one of my favorites and I consider him to be a friend of mine!

The pamphlet advertises the third edition of “The Geocentric Bible”, and claims that there are over 57,000 copies in print. It also claims that “The Geocentric Bible” has been “distributed” to more than 57,000 churches. It is notable that these two numbers are the same.

If you wish to a receive a copy of “the Geocentric Bible”, at no cost, mail a request to

The Geocentric Bible Foundation, Inc.
911 S. Van Burn St.
Hugoton, KS 67951-2303.

In summary, if this is a hoax, it’s a rather extreme one. I live a LONG way from Kansas.

Check out this site. It’s funny as all… hell.

http://www.landoverbaptist.org/

The first page is already funny. It starts off with one of those suspended-globe desk toys:

[Levitating Globe

"An electromagnet and computerized sensor hidden in its

display stand cause the Earth to levitate motionlessly in the air."

Could God have engineered something like that for the real Earth?]

Now let’s look at this. The desk toy is designed to hold the globe in equilibrium against gravity. Is there a force of gravity tending to accelerate Earth “downward”?

Well yes, there is. Earth is accelerating toward the Earth/Sun barycenter, and the planet’s radial distance is being maintained by its orbital velocity. The authors of these sites have just no idea what the stuff they say implies.

You’re right, geocentrism doesn’t solve the elcipse problem any better. From what I’ve read, the guy’s approach leans heavily toward claiming that the “antagonist” cosmology is flawed- therefore his cosmology is correct.

It’s similar to his fixation with the historical figure John Cabot. According to Kilkenny, Cabot was the first European to plant a flag on the North American continent- therefore, the continent rightfully should be refered to as “Cabotia”. This stands in contradiction to the fact that people call things by whatever names they want or find communicative. By his reasoning modern people should be calling the continent by who-knows-how-many names for it that may have been used by the pre-European natives. The name simply is what people call it amongst themselves.

But I digress a little. Getting back to more physical issues, in my short dialogue with Kilkenny, his idea of discrediting Newton’s discoveries about gravity & mechanics is to say that Newton is overrated, that those discoveries were not Newton’s greatest work, and furthermore, that Newton’s personal character pales in comparison to that of Michael Faraday. This consists of irrelevant opinions on the relative importance of Newton’s work and the relative merits of his personality, but no demonstration is shown that Newton’s work itself is unreliable to the extent that’s required to discredit non-geocentrsism.

This is basically consistent with many of the articles Kilkenny has on his site. His strategy for falsifying Foucault’s pendulum experiment is to ramble on about unsubstantiated (and empirically irrelevant) claims that he was in on a plot to deceive people into buying into the master plan of false non-geocentrism. The list goes on.

I think Kilkenny just doesn’t even have all that much actual understanding of how scientists have come to demonstrate the validity & reliability of the modern cosmology. For exmaple, as Phil pointed out at the top, the guy doesn’t seem to even be aware of the Moon’s orbital inclination to the plane of the ecliptic. Over on http://www.geocentricity.com one author makes the same kind of straw-anthropoid argument about geosynchronous orbits, staying that a GS satellite with even a slight discrepancy in its velocity will wander away from an ideal, stationary position over a hemisphere. Well- this is right. And as it turns out many GS sats do, in fact, wander around the sky due to the slight imperfections in their orbits. So the author of that article did nothing more than to point out something that actually occurs.

These authors are making the same kinds of mistakes as typical conspiracy theorists, especially Apollo Hoax theorists: they think of the world in oversimplified terms.

No?

Whereas on his website Kilkenny praises Newton as a model for us all, having been confronted with the fact that Newton was a true believer in both God and non-geocentrism, Kilkenny says now to me that Newton is “overrated”, and that his best work was in optics. Not a word was offered me, by the way, to actually refute the reliability of Newtonian principles.

I expect at least one more letter back. It could be interesting.

Yes. Them, and everyone else on this list of partners in crime:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foucault_pendulum#List_of_Foucault_Pendula

They must be heathen Jesuits all!

And I suppose I’m also in on it. I have a modest one in my living room, though admittedly the cats introduce a large amibiguity to the results.

“The Jesuits were getting DESPERATE because without a rotating earth the theory of evolution falls flat on its face.”

That has to be the first time I’ve ever heard the rotation of the Earth refered to as the theory of evolution. Also, I wonder if the “falls flat” comment was a subtle reference to the flat earth society (actually, there’s no way he’s that witty.) I really love it when geocentrists refer to flat-earthers and say “Now don’t get us confused with THOSE wackoes!” It’s like when all the UFOlogists called the “Heaven’s Gate” cult a fraud and not representative of “true UFO science.”

Kudos to http://www.geocentricity.com/ for being up front and honest about its mission.

“This site is devoted to the historical relationship between the Bible and astronomy. It assumes that whenever the two are at variance, it is always astronomy—that is, our “reading” of the “Book of Nature,” not our reading of the Holy Bible—that is wrong. History bears consistent witness to the truth of that stance.”

So, I guess Gravity is also a myth? If it isn’t, it ought to be. Gee, I’m going to put my cape on now and fly out the 20 th floor window, just as soon as I can get the door open to my padded room,,,

Gary 7

On the site the author makes a pre-emptive strike against the Foucalt experiment, categorically accusing it of having been rigged ahead of time to yield fraudulent results.

Of course this is still just more crankism. The author fails to take into account the power of reproducibility. The pendulum experiment can be replicated by anyone, and in fact has. The accusation of fraud on the part of Foucalt is a moot point.

Ok. If WYSIWYG is an absolutely reliable principle, then it surely must be that I am the immovable center of all things. The Cosmos is obviously Martincentric. Don’t even bother trying to convince me otherwise.