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	<title>Comments on: Mars life may fizz out</title>
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	<description>I am an astronomer, writer, and skeptic. I likes reality the way it is, and I aims to keep it that way. My real name is Phil Plait, and I run the Bad Astronomy blog.</description>
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		<title>By: dragos</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2006/07/31/mars-life-may-fizz-out/comment-page-1/#comment-18149</link>
		<dc:creator>dragos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Oct 2007 16:40:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i think u are al nuts. how do u know there is no &quot;life&quot; on mars? it doesnt have to be like ours. how do u know that ALL bacteria needs water (in fact, all  life). mabe it doesnt even need oxigen or anything! any way, my point is, u have to look from all point of vews, ideas, and prospects. ( im just 11 lol, i called adults nuts)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i think u are al nuts. how do u know there is no &#8220;life&#8221; on mars? it doesnt have to be like ours. how do u know that ALL bacteria needs water (in fact, all  life). mabe it doesnt even need oxigen or anything! any way, my point is, u have to look from all point of vews, ideas, and prospects. ( im just 11 lol, i called adults nuts)</p>
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		<title>By: P. Edward Murray</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2006/07/31/mars-life-may-fizz-out/comment-page-1/#comment-18136</link>
		<dc:creator>P. Edward Murray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Aug 2006 23:17:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So that&#039;s where the Hydrogen Peroxide comes from...but where does the
Methane come from?

And what does this say about going to Mars, not to mention possible Colonization?

Can we say big time Terra-forming?

Probably won&#039;t happen anytime soon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So that&#8217;s where the Hydrogen Peroxide comes from&#8230;but where does the<br />
Methane come from?</p>
<p>And what does this say about going to Mars, not to mention possible Colonization?</p>
<p>Can we say big time Terra-forming?</p>
<p>Probably won&#8217;t happen anytime soon.</p>
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		<title>By: Troy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Troy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Aug 2006 22:23:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve never thought of Mars as a good target for life.  Without a fluid (water is great, ammonia might work too, maybe ethane/methane to Titanic life) to facilitate chemical reactions it seems very unlikely.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve never thought of Mars as a good target for life.  Without a fluid (water is great, ammonia might work too, maybe ethane/methane to Titanic life) to facilitate chemical reactions it seems very unlikely.</p>
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		<title>By: Irishman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Irishman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Aug 2006 22:21:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To be fair, bacteria are being oxidized, too.  But yeah, what you mostly see is your skin.

writerdd, part of the question is defining &quot;life&quot; in a meaningful way.  Any process we would recognize by our current definitions of the word rely on particular types of chemistry, in particular water.  I think there are some conjectures about silicon as a replacement for carbon, but that&#039;s pretty speculative.  (I don&#039;t know anything about cyanobacteria Chroococcidiopsis.)   It is difficult to project our expectations in a way that extends beyond our current known forms that fit the criteria.  We already have trouble with viruses and prions.  Now you want to include something that can&#039;t spell DNA, let alone have any?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To be fair, bacteria are being oxidized, too.  But yeah, what you mostly see is your skin.</p>
<p>writerdd, part of the question is defining &#8220;life&#8221; in a meaningful way.  Any process we would recognize by our current definitions of the word rely on particular types of chemistry, in particular water.  I think there are some conjectures about silicon as a replacement for carbon, but that&#8217;s pretty speculative.  (I don&#8217;t know anything about cyanobacteria Chroococcidiopsis.)   It is difficult to project our expectations in a way that extends beyond our current known forms that fit the criteria.  We already have trouble with viruses and prions.  Now you want to include something that can&#8217;t spell DNA, let alone have any?</p>
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		<title>By: Eric</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Aug 2006 18:19:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t pour hydrogen peroxide on your wounds. That fizzing you see isn&#039;t bacteria being oxidized, it&#039;s your tissue being oxidized.

Soap and water work fine, though you could always use some betadine if you want to be more thorough.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t pour hydrogen peroxide on your wounds. That fizzing you see isn&#8217;t bacteria being oxidized, it&#8217;s your tissue being oxidized.</p>
<p>Soap and water work fine, though you could always use some betadine if you want to be more thorough.</p>
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		<title>By: Sue Mitchell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sue Mitchell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Aug 2006 16:21:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shawn S. says: &quot;Without water, biology as we know it doesnâ€™t work.&quot;
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Um, what about the cyanobacteria Chroococcidiopsis found living in halite rock samples collected in the Atacama desert?  (Astrobiology, vol 6, p415. and for the dimmer ones like me - New Scientist, vol 191, #2559 - 8/JUL/06)
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shawn S. says: &#8220;Without water, biology as we know it doesnâ€™t work.&#8221;<br />
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<p>Um, what about the cyanobacteria Chroococcidiopsis found living in halite rock samples collected in the Atacama desert?  (Astrobiology, vol 6, p415. and for the dimmer ones like me &#8211; New Scientist, vol 191, #2559 &#8211; 8/JUL/06)<br />
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		<title>By: writerdd</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2006/07/31/mars-life-may-fizz-out/comment-page-1/#comment-18141</link>
		<dc:creator>writerdd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Aug 2006 13:54:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;But when you get one that says &quot;Mars surface probably canâ€™t support life&quot; you kinda have to say, well duh. Itâ€™s cold, the Sunâ€™s UV zaps the surface, the air is 1% that of Earthâ€™s, and whatâ€™s there is mostly CO2 and argon.&quot;

Well, I&#039;m no expert in extra terrestrial life forms, but why do we always think that life on other planets will need the same environment as we have here? That&#039;s pretty a narrow view of the possibilities for life, isn&#039;t it?

Mars obviously can&#039;t support Earth life, but does that mean all life in the universe requires an Earth-like environment?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;But when you get one that says &#8220;Mars surface probably canâ€™t support life&#8221; you kinda have to say, well duh. Itâ€™s cold, the Sunâ€™s UV zaps the surface, the air is 1% that of Earthâ€™s, and whatâ€™s there is mostly CO2 and argon.&#8221;</p>
<p>Well, I&#8217;m no expert in extra terrestrial life forms, but why do we always think that life on other planets will need the same environment as we have here? That&#8217;s pretty a narrow view of the possibilities for life, isn&#8217;t it?</p>
<p>Mars obviously can&#8217;t support Earth life, but does that mean all life in the universe requires an Earth-like environment?</p>
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		<title>By: Shawn S.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shawn S.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Aug 2006 03:26:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a microbiologist I have heard of environments that bacteria live in that make Mars look like a nice cozy intestine (cozy to a lot of bacteria). There are those that thrive in high temps with pHs approaching zero (acid mine drainage), those that thrive in, and I&#039;m not kidding here, radioactive waste (D. radiodurans), and many other really nasty places. I think the unifying theme is water, though. Without water, biology as we know it doesn&#039;t work. The h202 can be thwarted by high levels of catalase production (that&#039;s what is causing the fizz: catalase is breaking h202 into oxygen and water). Cold temps are an obstacle, though. The lowest temp for bacteria is about 2C.

If there ever was microbial life on Mars, I would think it likely that it is still there. Perhaps we need to send some folks up there with a PCR rig...heh. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a microbiologist I have heard of environments that bacteria live in that make Mars look like a nice cozy intestine (cozy to a lot of bacteria). There are those that thrive in high temps with pHs approaching zero (acid mine drainage), those that thrive in, and I&#8217;m not kidding here, radioactive waste (D. radiodurans), and many other really nasty places. I think the unifying theme is water, though. Without water, biology as we know it doesn&#8217;t work. The h202 can be thwarted by high levels of catalase production (that&#8217;s what is causing the fizz: catalase is breaking h202 into oxygen and water). Cold temps are an obstacle, though. The lowest temp for bacteria is about 2C.</p>
<p>If there ever was microbial life on Mars, I would think it likely that it is still there. Perhaps we need to send some folks up there with a PCR rig&#8230;heh. <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Blake Stacey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Blake Stacey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Aug 2006 03:05:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I find some great, cosmic irony in the idea that the chemical which kills off life produces reactions which mimic life, even to Viking&#039;s imperfect senses.  Fitting, somehow.

The inveterate optimist in me points out that life might have arisen when Mars was more habitable, three-odd billion years ago.  (Was peroxide &lt;i&gt;always&lt;/i&gt; raining like anti-manna from Heaven upon the Martian landscape?  Not being qualified in these matters, I can only argue from ignorance, but the NASA news piece suggested to me that the H2O2 production depends upon dust storms and other present-day properties of the Martian atmosphere.  Was it always so?)  Supposing that the chemistry of the time was active enough to produce fairly complex molecules but not voracious enough to destroy them all again, a bit of natural selection would go a long way.

That which don&#039;t kill ya, make ya stronger --- thinking at the species level over many generations!  Evolution&#039;s motto is not &quot;ever higher&quot; or &quot;progress is our most important product&quot;, but rather &quot;life finds a way&quot;. . . .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find some great, cosmic irony in the idea that the chemical which kills off life produces reactions which mimic life, even to Viking&#8217;s imperfect senses.  Fitting, somehow.</p>
<p>The inveterate optimist in me points out that life might have arisen when Mars was more habitable, three-odd billion years ago.  (Was peroxide <i>always</i> raining like anti-manna from Heaven upon the Martian landscape?  Not being qualified in these matters, I can only argue from ignorance, but the NASA news piece suggested to me that the H2O2 production depends upon dust storms and other present-day properties of the Martian atmosphere.  Was it always so?)  Supposing that the chemistry of the time was active enough to produce fairly complex molecules but not voracious enough to destroy them all again, a bit of natural selection would go a long way.</p>
<p>That which don&#8217;t kill ya, make ya stronger &#8212; thinking at the species level over many generations!  Evolution&#8217;s motto is not &#8220;ever higher&#8221; or &#8220;progress is our most important product&#8221;, but rather &#8220;life finds a way&#8221;. . . .</p>
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		<title>By: Blake Stacey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Blake Stacey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Aug 2006 02:48:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I seem to remember an old cartoon about being attacked by plus signs. . . &lt;i&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0052751/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Donald Duck in Mathmagic Land&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/i&gt;??</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I seem to remember an old cartoon about being attacked by plus signs. . . <i><a href="http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0052751/" rel="nofollow">Donald Duck in Mathmagic Land</a></i>??</p>
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		<title>By: spacenaut</title>
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		<dc:creator>spacenaut</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Aug 2006 02:08:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Therefore under current thinking the giant minuses slightly out weigh the giant pluses on the possiblity of life on Mars!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Therefore under current thinking the giant minuses slightly out weigh the giant pluses on the possiblity of life on Mars!!</p>
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		<title>By: TravisM</title>
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		<dc:creator>TravisM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Aug 2006 02:07:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yup, gotta love the giant pluses. At first I thought it was pusses, but I missed the L... it must have been attached to my forehead, because puss couldn&#039;t exist with the peroxide... duh... okay. Remind me not to use &#039;...&#039; anymore!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yup, gotta love the giant pluses. At first I thought it was pusses, but I missed the L&#8230; it must have been attached to my forehead, because puss couldn&#8217;t exist with the peroxide&#8230; duh&#8230; okay. Remind me not to use &#8216;&#8230;&#8217; anymore!</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Martin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Aug 2006 00:23:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lightning storms on Mars? It&#039;s interesting that you should point this out; someone just a few days ago was asking me if lightning occurs on Mars. I said I wasn&#039;t aware if it was known to happen on Mars, but that from what I know about the Martian weather it&#039;s highly plausible. My speculation has been vindicated.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lightning storms on Mars? It&#8217;s interesting that you should point this out; someone just a few days ago was asking me if lightning occurs on Mars. I said I wasn&#8217;t aware if it was known to happen on Mars, but that from what I know about the Martian weather it&#8217;s highly plausible. My speculation has been vindicated.</p>
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		<title>By: din</title>
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		<dc:creator>din</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Aug 2006 00:15:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think of giant pluses when thinking about going to mars.  Only big minuses.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think of giant pluses when thinking about going to mars.  Only big minuses.</p>
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