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	<title>Comments on: Neil Armstrong&#8217;s &#8220;A&#8221; hole</title>
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	<description>I am an astronomer, writer, and skeptic. I likes reality the way it is, and I aims to keep it that way. My real name is Phil Plait, and I run the Bad Astronomy blog.</description>
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		<title>By: mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Aug 2009 07:28:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Armstrong did indeed fluff the line; the cadence of his speech is clear:  he said, &quot;...small step fermay-an&quot; in his American accent with no room for an &quot;a&quot;.  He was confusing the syntax of the words &quot;man&quot; and &quot;mankind&quot;, as that kind of language was unfamiliar to him.  It is a clumsy, high-minded and forced thing to make him say, anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Armstrong did indeed fluff the line; the cadence of his speech is clear:  he said, &#8220;&#8230;small step fermay-an&#8221; in his American accent with no room for an &#8220;a&#8221;.  He was confusing the syntax of the words &#8220;man&#8221; and &#8220;mankind&#8221;, as that kind of language was unfamiliar to him.  It is a clumsy, high-minded and forced thing to make him say, anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: Kids party ideas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kids party ideas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 08:52:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: L Swink</title>
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		<dc:creator>L Swink</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Feb 2008 20:03:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is really late, but my favorite memory of this event is watching my grandfather stand in the middle of the living room and cry... He said:  &quot;I never thought I&#039;d see such a thing as a man walking on the moon.&quot;  Pretty amazing thing for him to witness seeing as he was born in the late 1800&#039;s!  :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is really late, but my favorite memory of this event is watching my grandfather stand in the middle of the living room and cry&#8230; He said:  &#8220;I never thought I&#8217;d see such a thing as a man walking on the moon.&#8221;  Pretty amazing thing for him to witness seeing as he was born in the late 1800&#8242;s!  <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Harvey</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2006/10/01/neil-armstrongs-a-hole/comment-page-2/#comment-21474</link>
		<dc:creator>Harvey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Oct 2006 21:25:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I realize this happened 37 years ago and that I&#039;m 50 @#&amp;&amp;* years old, but I have this memory of Armstrong DESCRIBING THE TEXTURE OF THE LUNAR SURFACE before he uttered his famous line. Anyone else out there remember that? Not glamorous for sure but historically accurate, I think. Electronic devices can be edited ya know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I realize this happened 37 years ago and that I&#8217;m 50 @#&amp;&amp;* years old, but I have this memory of Armstrong DESCRIBING THE TEXTURE OF THE LUNAR SURFACE before he uttered his famous line. Anyone else out there remember that? Not glamorous for sure but historically accurate, I think. Electronic devices can be edited ya know.</p>
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		<title>By: mungascr</title>
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		<dc:creator>mungascr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Oct 2006 19:38:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Call me inarticulate if you like, but if _I_ was making the first moon-landing my first words may well NOT have been printable! ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Call me inarticulate if you like, but if _I_ was making the first moon-landing my first words may well NOT have been printable! <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Irishman</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2006/10/01/neil-armstrongs-a-hole/comment-page-2/#comment-21466</link>
		<dc:creator>Irishman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Oct 2006 20:37:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TG, so what about the rebuttal analysts using &lt;i&gt;freeware&lt;/i&gt;?  Care to comment on that?

The cost of the software is not an issue to me.  Does the software have the capability to do what should be done to process the audio file?  Did he get access to the best audio file source?  Did he apply the right techniques to process the audio file?  Was his analysis sound, or flawed?  Those are the legitimate questions to my mind.

I think this is an intriguing start but needs further review by experts in the field, perhaps working with better copies of the original audio.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TG, so what about the rebuttal analysts using <i>freeware</i>?  Care to comment on that?</p>
<p>The cost of the software is not an issue to me.  Does the software have the capability to do what should be done to process the audio file?  Did he get access to the best audio file source?  Did he apply the right techniques to process the audio file?  Was his analysis sound, or flawed?  Those are the legitimate questions to my mind.</p>
<p>I think this is an intriguing start but needs further review by experts in the field, perhaps working with better copies of the original audio.</p>
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		<title>By: TG</title>
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		<dc:creator>TG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Oct 2006 00:27:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am extremely skeptical about this.
First of all, the guy didn&#039;t have access to any of the original NASA tapes or anything. He found a sound recording on their website, presumably from the TV broadcast which was already bad quality due to audio conversion and 60s technology.
But even on the off-chance that NASA extracted that phrase from their original tapes and made it available, the guy has no qualifications for this sort of thing, plus (and this is the kicker) he did it using Goldwave. An off-the-shelf $45 audio editing program for hobby users.
This entire thing smacks of a hobby project and I think a different person would get a different result using the same tools.

I&#039;ve been looking through the various stories on this including this one:
http://reports.discoverychannel.ca/servlet/an/discovery/1/20061002/1002_discovery_armstrong/20061002?hub=DiscoveryReport

And as far as I can tell, the only thing he postulates is that there&#039;s a gap between two words that&#039;s longer than usual and there may have been an &#039;a&#039; in there. Or, you know, Armstrong just *might* have been a little nervous stepping down that ladder to walk on the Moon for the first time in human history, or he could&#039;ve taken a breath. I can think of many other reasons for there to be a small gap between two words.

I quote from the article: &quot;The phrase was spoken quickly and the microphone didn&#039;t catch every syllable, says Ford. But the signature of the word is there, existing visually in a graphic representation of the famous quote.&quot;

This sounds like pure hocus-pocus to me. I&#039;ve been doing a lot of audio editing in my time and I&#039;ve never come across any of these &#039;ghostly&#039; signatures in sound. If he&#039;s talking about filtering techniques, again I&#039;ll have to say that with a sound as quick and as small as an &#039;a&#039; vowel, you apply a filter of the right kind and get the sound you want out of any 35 ms sample you care to choose.
And slowing down the speech by a factor of 10 to prove there&#039;s a sound there is just plain cheating. I&#039;m surprised they didn&#039;t interview an actual sound engineer at all to look over Ford&#039;s work.

I am much more inclined to believe that the audio transmission itself was dropping once in a while and may have blacked out at that critical moment. Despite what the article&#039;s headline says, Goldwave is *NOT* sophisticated audio editing equipment.
And this stuff about ghostly signatures at 35 ms is just laughable.

I can&#039;t imagine how anyone can take this seriously.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am extremely skeptical about this.<br />
First of all, the guy didn&#8217;t have access to any of the original NASA tapes or anything. He found a sound recording on their website, presumably from the TV broadcast which was already bad quality due to audio conversion and 60s technology.<br />
But even on the off-chance that NASA extracted that phrase from their original tapes and made it available, the guy has no qualifications for this sort of thing, plus (and this is the kicker) he did it using Goldwave. An off-the-shelf $45 audio editing program for hobby users.<br />
This entire thing smacks of a hobby project and I think a different person would get a different result using the same tools.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been looking through the various stories on this including this one:<br />
<a href="http://reports.discoverychannel.ca/servlet/an/discovery/1/20061002/1002_discovery_armstrong/20061002?hub=DiscoveryReport" rel="nofollow">http://reports.discoverychannel.ca/servlet/an/discovery/1/20061002/1002_discovery_armstrong/20061002?hub=DiscoveryReport</a></p>
<p>And as far as I can tell, the only thing he postulates is that there&#8217;s a gap between two words that&#8217;s longer than usual and there may have been an &#8216;a&#8217; in there. Or, you know, Armstrong just *might* have been a little nervous stepping down that ladder to walk on the Moon for the first time in human history, or he could&#8217;ve taken a breath. I can think of many other reasons for there to be a small gap between two words.</p>
<p>I quote from the article: &#8220;The phrase was spoken quickly and the microphone didn&#8217;t catch every syllable, says Ford. But the signature of the word is there, existing visually in a graphic representation of the famous quote.&#8221;</p>
<p>This sounds like pure hocus-pocus to me. I&#8217;ve been doing a lot of audio editing in my time and I&#8217;ve never come across any of these &#8216;ghostly&#8217; signatures in sound. If he&#8217;s talking about filtering techniques, again I&#8217;ll have to say that with a sound as quick and as small as an &#8216;a&#8217; vowel, you apply a filter of the right kind and get the sound you want out of any 35 ms sample you care to choose.<br />
And slowing down the speech by a factor of 10 to prove there&#8217;s a sound there is just plain cheating. I&#8217;m surprised they didn&#8217;t interview an actual sound engineer at all to look over Ford&#8217;s work.</p>
<p>I am much more inclined to believe that the audio transmission itself was dropping once in a while and may have blacked out at that critical moment. Despite what the article&#8217;s headline says, Goldwave is *NOT* sophisticated audio editing equipment.<br />
And this stuff about ghostly signatures at 35 ms is just laughable.</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t imagine how anyone can take this seriously.</p>
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		<title>By: Irishman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Irishman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Oct 2006 20:31:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One other comment:

&quot;Armstrong famously fluffed his line,&quot;

I believe the word being sought is &quot;flubbed&quot;, as in mangled, missed, messed up.  &quot;Fluffed&quot; usually suggests making more important, drawing out, inflating.  Or, in another context, something not printable on a child friendly web page.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One other comment:</p>
<p>&#8220;Armstrong famously fluffed his line,&#8221;</p>
<p>I believe the word being sought is &#8220;flubbed&#8221;, as in mangled, missed, messed up.  &#8220;Fluffed&#8221; usually suggests making more important, drawing out, inflating.  Or, in another context, something not printable on a child friendly web page.</p>
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		<title>By: SpikeNut</title>
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		<dc:creator>SpikeNut</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Oct 2006 03:32:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Harold said what I was going to say.   My hubby has always said that&#039;s why there is the pause (except he understood it to be after the second &quot;one&quot;.)   So it went like &quot;One giant step for man, one (oh crap, flubbed this historic moment...) giant leap for mankind.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Harold said what I was going to say.   My hubby has always said that&#8217;s why there is the pause (except he understood it to be after the second &#8220;one&#8221;.)   So it went like &#8220;One giant step for man, one (oh crap, flubbed this historic moment&#8230;) giant leap for mankind.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Malte</title>
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		<dc:creator>Malte</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Oct 2006 01:58:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The linguists at Language log have now blogged about this in their usual entertaining and erudite way, and they are, well, very sceptical. Here&#039;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://itre.cis.upenn.edu/%7Emyl/languagelog/archives/003630.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;David Beaver&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href=&quot;http://itre.cis.upenn.edu/%7Emyl/languagelog/archives/003632.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Mark Liberman&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href=&quot;http://itre.cis.upenn.edu/%7Emyl/languagelog/archives/003634.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;David Beaver again&lt;/a&gt;.  It looks like they&#039;re not finished, either.

Peter Shann Ford&#039;s original paper is apparently &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.controlbionics.com/Electronic%20Evidence%20and%20Physiological%20Reasoning.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;available here&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The linguists at Language log have now blogged about this in their usual entertaining and erudite way, and they are, well, very sceptical. Here&#8217;s <a href="http://itre.cis.upenn.edu/%7Emyl/languagelog/archives/003630.html" rel="nofollow">David Beaver</a>, <a href="http://itre.cis.upenn.edu/%7Emyl/languagelog/archives/003632.html" rel="nofollow">Mark Liberman</a> and <a href="http://itre.cis.upenn.edu/%7Emyl/languagelog/archives/003634.html" rel="nofollow">David Beaver again</a>.  It looks like they&#8217;re not finished, either.</p>
<p>Peter Shann Ford&#8217;s original paper is apparently <a href="http://www.controlbionics.com/Electronic%20Evidence%20and%20Physiological%20Reasoning.htm" rel="nofollow">available here</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: JackC</title>
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		<dc:creator>JackC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Oct 2006 19:53:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Was it in the movie &quot;Apollo 13&quot; where some said Neil should have yelled &quot;What is THAT?!?!&quot;, screamed and cut his mike??

I was 14 at the time, attended (the TV) personally, and frankly, I think he just flubbed his line. Frankly, I don&#039;t care. I remain to this day, astounded bu the event.

I also remain astounded that, in teh ensuing nearly 40 years, I still am not able to go MYSELF :-(

JC</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Was it in the movie &#8220;Apollo 13&#8243; where some said Neil should have yelled &#8220;What is THAT?!?!&#8221;, screamed and cut his mike??</p>
<p>I was 14 at the time, attended (the TV) personally, and frankly, I think he just flubbed his line. Frankly, I don&#8217;t care. I remain to this day, astounded bu the event.</p>
<p>I also remain astounded that, in teh ensuing nearly 40 years, I still am not able to go MYSELF <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':-(' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>JC</p>
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		<title>By: text guzzler</title>
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		<dc:creator>text guzzler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Oct 2006 19:36:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FWIW. I was 15 YO at that time, but recall vividly the moment. For me, so far, it was the biggest adventure ever completed by mankind, so I delighted in every second of it.

IIRC, the lines definitely had an &#039;a&#039; between &#039;for&#039; and &#039;man&#039;, but it sounded kind of slurred by Neil&#039;s drawl. Next day, the media had the recording edited for clarity (reducing noise, etc. for broadcasting) and the &#039;a&#039; is less audible. I guess that&#039;s why the controversy started.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FWIW. I was 15 YO at that time, but recall vividly the moment. For me, so far, it was the biggest adventure ever completed by mankind, so I delighted in every second of it.</p>
<p>IIRC, the lines definitely had an &#8216;a&#8217; between &#8216;for&#8217; and &#8216;man&#8217;, but it sounded kind of slurred by Neil&#8217;s drawl. Next day, the media had the recording edited for clarity (reducing noise, etc. for broadcasting) and the &#8216;a&#8217; is less audible. I guess that&#8217;s why the controversy started.</p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
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		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Oct 2006 15:49:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yep, laugh spittle all over the screen, thanks baric</description>
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		<title>By: Kimpatsu</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kimpatsu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Oct 2006 15:15:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve always figured that Armstrong said &quot;...a man&quot;, but that the &quot;a&quot; got swallowed in the ambient noise. Does anyone knwo the song &quot;Lawyers, Guns, and Money&quot; by Warren Zevon? In that, Zevon sings &quot;I&#039;m an innocent bystander...&quot;, but I can&#039;t for the life of me hear the &quot;an&quot;; I just assume it must be there, both from context and the lyrics on the songsheet. Definite and indefinite articles are small, slippery words, and are often inaudible to listeners; we infer their presence from context, as with Zevon. As with Armstrong.
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My own Apollo 11 story is that I was barely 5YO at the time, and I remember my mother enthusing &quot;Look at that! Man on the Moon!&quot;, but I was singularly unimpressed, because I expected them to beam down to the surface like in Star Trek, and when they didn&#039;t I concluded that Armstrong and his team were utterly naff compared to James Kirk and team...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve always figured that Armstrong said &#8220;&#8230;a man&#8221;, but that the &#8220;a&#8221; got swallowed in the ambient noise. Does anyone knwo the song &#8220;Lawyers, Guns, and Money&#8221; by Warren Zevon? In that, Zevon sings &#8220;I&#8217;m an innocent bystander&#8230;&#8221;, but I can&#8217;t for the life of me hear the &#8220;an&#8221;; I just assume it must be there, both from context and the lyrics on the songsheet. Definite and indefinite articles are small, slippery words, and are often inaudible to listeners; we infer their presence from context, as with Zevon. As with Armstrong.<br />
&#8212;<br />
My own Apollo 11 story is that I was barely 5YO at the time, and I remember my mother enthusing &#8220;Look at that! Man on the Moon!&#8221;, but I was singularly unimpressed, because I expected them to beam down to the surface like in Star Trek, and when they didn&#8217;t I concluded that Armstrong and his team were utterly naff compared to James Kirk and team&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: csrster</title>
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		<dc:creator>csrster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Oct 2006 07:24:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Everybody has their own story ....
I was five when Apollo 11 happened and my parents woke me and my sisters in the middle of the night (this was in Europe) and took us all into bed to watch the moonwalk live on our rickety
old portable B&amp;W TV. Whatever else I have to thank my parents for, and there&#039;s plenty, that&#039;s one memory, however vague on details, that&#039;s burned into my brain forever.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Everybody has their own story &#8230;.<br />
I was five when Apollo 11 happened and my parents woke me and my sisters in the middle of the night (this was in Europe) and took us all into bed to watch the moonwalk live on our rickety<br />
old portable B&amp;W TV. Whatever else I have to thank my parents for, and there&#8217;s plenty, that&#8217;s one memory, however vague on details, that&#8217;s burned into my brain forever.</p>
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		<title>By: CR</title>
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		<dc:creator>CR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Oct 2006 04:12:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Phil beat me to it, baric. I, too, laughed out loud at your comment!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Phil beat me to it, baric. I, too, laughed out loud at your comment!</p>
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		<title>By: Elwood Herring</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2006/10/01/neil-armstrongs-a-hole/comment-page-1/#comment-21495</link>
		<dc:creator>Elwood Herring</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Oct 2006 00:16:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, now that&#039;s all sorted, perhaps we can get to work on straightening out that other famous flubbed space quote:

&quot;To boldly go...&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, now that&#8217;s all sorted, perhaps we can get to work on straightening out that other famous flubbed space quote:</p>
<p>&#8220;To boldly go&#8230;&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: The Bad Astronomer</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2006/10/01/neil-armstrongs-a-hole/comment-page-1/#comment-21477</link>
		<dc:creator>The Bad Astronomer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Oct 2006 22:48:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.badastronomy.com/bablog/wp-admin/post.php?action=editcomment&amp;comment=54769&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;baric&lt;/a&gt;, very good! You made me laugh out loud! :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.badastronomy.com/bablog/wp-admin/post.php?action=editcomment&#038;comment=54769" rel="nofollow">baric</a>, very good! You made me laugh out loud! <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Inoculated Mind</title>
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		<dc:creator>Inoculated Mind</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Oct 2006 22:39:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thought I&#039;d mention - it was discovered by an Australian, who was &lt;em&gt;using&lt;/em&gt; a Canadian program.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought I&#8217;d mention &#8211; it was discovered by an Australian, who was <em>using</em> a Canadian program.</p>
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		<title>By: Katie Berryhill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Katie Berryhill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Oct 2006 21:15:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How many people have praticed and practiced a line for some important event, only to get to the moment and either speak to fast or flub it up somehow. It&#039;s human nature. But I&#039;m glad to hear that he probably did say what he meant to say after all. :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How many people have praticed and practiced a line for some important event, only to get to the moment and either speak to fast or flub it up somehow. It&#8217;s human nature. But I&#8217;m glad to hear that he probably did say what he meant to say after all. <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: baric</title>
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		<dc:creator>baric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Oct 2006 20:58:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>outraged. I come here expecting incisive political commentary and what do I find? Yet another post about astronomy!

That&#039;s it. I&#039;m leaving.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>outraged. I come here expecting incisive political commentary and what do I find? Yet another post about astronomy!</p>
<p>That&#8217;s it. I&#8217;m leaving.</p>
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		<title>By: Harold</title>
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		<dc:creator>Harold</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Oct 2006 20:37:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve always been more interested in the pause between the first and second statements.  I think the way it actually went was &quot;That&#039;s one small step for man (aw, CRAP, I flubbed the line, I hope nobody notices)...one giant leap for mankind.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve always been more interested in the pause between the first and second statements.  I think the way it actually went was &#8220;That&#8217;s one small step for man (aw, CRAP, I flubbed the line, I hope nobody notices)&#8230;one giant leap for mankind.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Irishman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Irishman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Oct 2006 20:23:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I remember hearing the line as a child and being confused because &quot;man&quot; meant &quot;mankind&quot; in the context as worded.  But I was a young kid and just learned to accept it for what it was supposed to mean.

Listening to it now, it is difficult to hear how the &quot;a&quot; could be there.  But Armstrong has always claimed that he said it, or at least thought he said it.  After I started paying attention to the controversy, I noted the overly long pause between the two lines and wondered if he recognized he&#039;d flubbed it right as he said it and was trying to decide whether to correct himself or gloss over it.  But that&#039;s perhaps reading in too much.  That hasn&#039;t been confirmed by Armstrong.  I prefer to take him at his word that he didn&#039;t realize it didn&#039;t come out right.

I can convince myself he said &quot;fora&quot; and slurred it enough to mush it in with the &quot;r&quot; and mostly drop out.  Given the numerous ways people have of butchering vocalizations on a regular basis (such as the typical dropping of the &quot;g&quot; from &quot;-ing&quot;), I have no problem accepting that Armstrong naturally slurs his &quot;a&quot;&#039;s and that in this case it got doubly clipped by the radio technology.

It would be interesting to see the analysis.

Jason Stokes Said:
&gt;First of all, the line as scripted must have been â€œThereâ€™s one small step for a man, one giant leap for mankind.â€ Itâ€™s hard to see how there could be any controversy over this point.

I will point out that the only scripting was self-scripting.  Armstrong came up with that line himself. It was not provided by NASA.  If he flubbed his line, it was his own line he flubbed.

icemith said:
&gt;I was always under the impression that what Armstrong said was, â€œThatâ€™s one small step for Man, one giant leap for Mankind.â€ The letter (word?) â€œaâ€ is really un-necessary, and as we have seen, changes the meaning.

Please elaborate on how the &quot;a&quot; is unneccesary, and how capitalizing the &quot;Man&quot; makes that statement make sense.  Your version is &quot;That&#039;s one small step for mankind, one giant leap for mankind.&quot;

&gt;Is there any report from the man (Man?) himself (Armstrong), explaining the variation? What did he have to say in retrospect?

From the article quoted:
&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;It doesn&#039;t sound like there was time for the word to be there,&quot; Armstrong said in the book. &quot;On the other hand, I didn&#039;t intentionally make an inane statement, and . . . certainly the &quot;a&quot; was intended, because that&#039;s the only way the statement makes any sense. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

And there&#039;s this:
&lt;blockquote&gt;But he knew what he said. &quot;There must be an &#039;a&#039;, &quot; Mr. Armstrong says of the event in the 1986 book &lt;i&gt;Chariots for Apollo&lt;/i&gt;. &quot;I rehearsed it that way. I meant it that way. And I&#039;m sure I said it that way.&quot; &lt;/blockquote&gt;

I&#039;m quoting Snopes
http://www.snopes.com/quotes/onesmall.asp
They&#039;re quoting Jacob Berkowitz, &quot;Moonlanding: One Small Slipup for (a) Man.&quot; [Toronto] &lt;i&gt;Globe and Mail&lt;/i&gt;. 17 July 2004   (p. F9).

Bad Albert said:
&gt;I put the blame for this whole thing squarely on the shoulders of NASA.

I don&#039;t know, I like the fact that they didn&#039;t overscript the event.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I remember hearing the line as a child and being confused because &#8220;man&#8221; meant &#8220;mankind&#8221; in the context as worded.  But I was a young kid and just learned to accept it for what it was supposed to mean.</p>
<p>Listening to it now, it is difficult to hear how the &#8220;a&#8221; could be there.  But Armstrong has always claimed that he said it, or at least thought he said it.  After I started paying attention to the controversy, I noted the overly long pause between the two lines and wondered if he recognized he&#8217;d flubbed it right as he said it and was trying to decide whether to correct himself or gloss over it.  But that&#8217;s perhaps reading in too much.  That hasn&#8217;t been confirmed by Armstrong.  I prefer to take him at his word that he didn&#8217;t realize it didn&#8217;t come out right.</p>
<p>I can convince myself he said &#8220;fora&#8221; and slurred it enough to mush it in with the &#8220;r&#8221; and mostly drop out.  Given the numerous ways people have of butchering vocalizations on a regular basis (such as the typical dropping of the &#8220;g&#8221; from &#8220;-ing&#8221;), I have no problem accepting that Armstrong naturally slurs his &#8220;a&#8221;&#8216;s and that in this case it got doubly clipped by the radio technology.</p>
<p>It would be interesting to see the analysis.</p>
<p>Jason Stokes Said:<br />
&gt;First of all, the line as scripted must have been â€œThereâ€™s one small step for a man, one giant leap for mankind.â€ Itâ€™s hard to see how there could be any controversy over this point.</p>
<p>I will point out that the only scripting was self-scripting.  Armstrong came up with that line himself. It was not provided by NASA.  If he flubbed his line, it was his own line he flubbed.</p>
<p>icemith said:<br />
&gt;I was always under the impression that what Armstrong said was, â€œThatâ€™s one small step for Man, one giant leap for Mankind.â€ The letter (word?) â€œaâ€ is really un-necessary, and as we have seen, changes the meaning.</p>
<p>Please elaborate on how the &#8220;a&#8221; is unneccesary, and how capitalizing the &#8220;Man&#8221; makes that statement make sense.  Your version is &#8220;That&#8217;s one small step for mankind, one giant leap for mankind.&#8221;</p>
<p>&gt;Is there any report from the man (Man?) himself (Armstrong), explaining the variation? What did he have to say in retrospect?</p>
<p>From the article quoted:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;It doesn&#8217;t sound like there was time for the word to be there,&#8221; Armstrong said in the book. &#8220;On the other hand, I didn&#8217;t intentionally make an inane statement, and . . . certainly the &#8220;a&#8221; was intended, because that&#8217;s the only way the statement makes any sense. </p></blockquote>
<p>And there&#8217;s this:</p>
<blockquote><p>But he knew what he said. &#8220;There must be an &#8216;a&#8217;, &#8221; Mr. Armstrong says of the event in the 1986 book <i>Chariots for Apollo</i>. &#8220;I rehearsed it that way. I meant it that way. And I&#8217;m sure I said it that way.&#8221; </p></blockquote>
<p>I&#8217;m quoting Snopes<br />
<a href="http://www.snopes.com/quotes/onesmall.asp" rel="nofollow">http://www.snopes.com/quotes/onesmall.asp</a><br />
They&#8217;re quoting Jacob Berkowitz, &#8220;Moonlanding: One Small Slipup for (a) Man.&#8221; [Toronto] <i>Globe and Mail</i>. 17 July 2004   (p. F9).</p>
<p>Bad Albert said:<br />
&gt;I put the blame for this whole thing squarely on the shoulders of NASA.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know, I like the fact that they didn&#8217;t overscript the event.</p>
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		<title>By: Brant D.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brant D.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Oct 2006 19:45:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All this talk about a flubbed line, when we should be proud of the fact that the First Man On the Moon did not instead follow the incredibly strong human impulse of taking the opportunity to read the big list of People He Hates and Wants to Rub It in Their Faces. That&#039;s what any of us would have done.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All this talk about a flubbed line, when we should be proud of the fact that the First Man On the Moon did not instead follow the incredibly strong human impulse of taking the opportunity to read the big list of People He Hates and Wants to Rub It in Their Faces. That&#8217;s what any of us would have done.</p>
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		<title>By: J. D. Mack</title>
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		<dc:creator>J. D. Mack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Oct 2006 19:18:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jamie wrote: &quot;The computer programmer who did this specializes in writing code related verbal speech and communication, so its not as far-fetched as you might think.&quot;

That may be so, but why was he using Goldwave software?!  Goldwave is shareware!  I mean, it&#039;s an OK program and all, but for professional applications?


J. D.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jamie wrote: &#8220;The computer programmer who did this specializes in writing code related verbal speech and communication, so its not as far-fetched as you might think.&#8221;</p>
<p>That may be so, but why was he using Goldwave software?!  Goldwave is shareware!  I mean, it&#8217;s an OK program and all, but for professional applications?</p>
<p>J. D.</p>
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