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	<title>Comments on: Vote.</title>
	<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2006/11/06/vote/</link>
	<description>I am an astronomer, writer, and skeptic. I likes reality the way it is, and I aims to keep it that way. My real name is Phil Plait, and I run the Bad Astronomy blog.</description>
	<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jan 2009 01:59:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Buzz Parsec</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2006/11/06/vote/#comment-23314</link>
		<dc:creator>Buzz Parsec</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Nov 2006 03:36:40 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2006/11/06/vote/#comment-23314</guid>
		<description>I think my bogus latin may have come out exactly opposite of my intention :-(
Maybe "silvanula ite domum"?  "Silva" meaning woods, forest, or tree, "ula" diminutive (as in Caligula), "ite" to go, "domum" as in house, home.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think my bogus latin may have come out exactly opposite of my intention <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':-(' class='wp-smiley' /> Maybe &#8220;silvanula ite domum&#8221;?  &#8220;Silva&#8221; meaning woods, forest, or tree, &#8220;ula&#8221; diminutive (as in Caligula), &#8220;ite&#8221; to go, &#8220;domum&#8221; as in house, home.</p>
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		<title>By: Irishman</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2006/11/06/vote/#comment-23313</link>
		<dc:creator>Irishman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Nov 2006 21:57:21 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2006/11/06/vote/#comment-23313</guid>
		<description>Pity said:
&#62;We used a machine other than Diebold and it seemed OK to me. One votes on the screen, then when all done, press CAST BALLOT (not really) to print a paper copy of votes that appears under glass. If happy with choices, press CAST BALLOT again and a â€œstamp of approvealâ€ plus barcode is added to the paper printout, then it scrolls out of view, ready for the next victim - er, voter.

Seems better. First, you see your vote committed to paper and can verify it matches what you intended. Then you authenticate it with a stamp.  Difficult to tamper with, written record stored in the machine to provide independent audit trail.

&#62;Last year we had the â€œfill in circleâ€ type of paper form that would be scanned for correctness, then dropped into a 2nd slot (not unlike a shredderâ€¦) to be counted and stored. Seems to me that with the proliferation of home computers, many of us could print and fill out such a form at home. Then we could skip the voting booth and speed up the processâ€¦.

There are concerns over that.  One is ballot box stuffing.  If I'm able to download the correct form, print it on whatever paper I like, fill it out at home, then mail it in, there are no safeguards to prevent me from sending in multiple votes.  Okay, there are identity checks required for the voter, but there are still ways to stuff the box. Even if the polling locations are monitored to make sure you don't slip in two forms when submitting, there's no identity on the forms themselves, so once they go in the box they're anonymous. That is good for anonymity, but bad for auditing.  Ballot swapping can occur - trade out a box full of real ballots with your own batch of alternate ballots.  Thus all the other regulations on maintaining security of ballot boxes and such.  One control is that the only official ballot is obtainable from the precinct. Thus ballot swapping is more difficult - the cheater has to get access to real ballot forms.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pity said:<br />
&gt;We used a machine other than Diebold and it seemed OK to me. One votes on the screen, then when all done, press CAST BALLOT (not really) to print a paper copy of votes that appears under glass. If happy with choices, press CAST BALLOT again and a â€œstamp of approvealâ€ plus barcode is added to the paper printout, then it scrolls out of view, ready for the next victim - er, voter.</p>
<p>Seems better. First, you see your vote committed to paper and can verify it matches what you intended. Then you authenticate it with a stamp.  Difficult to tamper with, written record stored in the machine to provide independent audit trail.</p>
<p>&gt;Last year we had the â€œfill in circleâ€ type of paper form that would be scanned for correctness, then dropped into a 2nd slot (not unlike a shredderâ€¦) to be counted and stored. Seems to me that with the proliferation of home computers, many of us could print and fill out such a form at home. Then we could skip the voting booth and speed up the processâ€¦.</p>
<p>There are concerns over that.  One is ballot box stuffing.  If I&#8217;m able to download the correct form, print it on whatever paper I like, fill it out at home, then mail it in, there are no safeguards to prevent me from sending in multiple votes.  Okay, there are identity checks required for the voter, but there are still ways to stuff the box. Even if the polling locations are monitored to make sure you don&#8217;t slip in two forms when submitting, there&#8217;s no identity on the forms themselves, so once they go in the box they&#8217;re anonymous. That is good for anonymity, but bad for auditing.  Ballot swapping can occur - trade out a box full of real ballots with your own batch of alternate ballots.  Thus all the other regulations on maintaining security of ballot boxes and such.  One control is that the only official ballot is obtainable from the precinct. Thus ballot swapping is more difficult - the cheater has to get access to real ballot forms.</p>
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		<title>By: tjm220</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2006/11/06/vote/#comment-23312</link>
		<dc:creator>tjm220</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Nov 2006 16:42:39 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2006/11/06/vote/#comment-23312</guid>
		<description>Calgary has a population a smidge over 1,000,000 and voting times for me was at most 10 minutes.  Maybe it's the time of day or an organizational difference?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Calgary has a population a smidge over 1,000,000 and voting times for me was at most 10 minutes.  Maybe it&#8217;s the time of day or an organizational difference?</p>
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		<title>By: Kelfazin</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2006/11/06/vote/#comment-23311</link>
		<dc:creator>Kelfazin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Nov 2006 23:49:51 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2006/11/06/vote/#comment-23311</guid>
		<description>Well sirjonsnow, while 50,000 is enough to consider "decent sized", consider that here in Phoenix we have a population of a little over 5,000,000. So since we're 100 times larger than you, you can assume that our wait time is significantly longer as well :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well sirjonsnow, while 50,000 is enough to consider &#8220;decent sized&#8221;, consider that here in Phoenix we have a population of a little over 5,000,000. So since we&#8217;re 100 times larger than you, you can assume that our wait time is significantly longer as well <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Christian Burnham</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2006/11/06/vote/#comment-23310</link>
		<dc:creator>Christian Burnham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Nov 2006 21:15:39 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2006/11/06/vote/#comment-23310</guid>
		<description>Ars Technica, which is a pretty good geek site has a good technical piece on
"How to steal an election by hacking the vote"

http://arstechnica.com/articles/culture/evoting.ars</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ars Technica, which is a pretty good geek site has a good technical piece on<br />
&#8220;How to steal an election by hacking the vote&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://arstechnica.com/articles/culture/evoting.ars" rel="nofollow">http://arstechnica.com/articles/culture/evoting.ars</a></p>
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		<title>By: tjm220</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2006/11/06/vote/#comment-23309</link>
		<dc:creator>tjm220</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Nov 2006 21:08:32 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2006/11/06/vote/#comment-23309</guid>
		<description>With the success of the Democrats is there any chance that execrable habeas corpus thing can be tossed?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With the success of the Democrats is there any chance that execrable habeas corpus thing can be tossed?</p>
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		<title>By: metempsychosis</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2006/11/06/vote/#comment-23308</link>
		<dc:creator>metempsychosis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Nov 2006 21:01:48 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2006/11/06/vote/#comment-23308</guid>
		<description>You know what I'll find funny?  When we have the exact same out-of-control party situation in '08 after a Democrat is elected President, only everyone is okay with it because Bush isn't involved.

I'd consider fleeing the country if there were anywhere worth running to.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know what I&#8217;ll find funny?  When we have the exact same out-of-control party situation in &#8216;08 after a Democrat is elected President, only everyone is okay with it because Bush isn&#8217;t involved.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d consider fleeing the country if there were anywhere worth running to.</p>
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