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	<title>Comments on: State Fair Angel: solved?</title>
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	<description>I am an astronomer, writer, and skeptic. I likes reality the way it is, and I aims to keep it that way. My real name is Phil Plait, and I run the Bad Astronomy blog.</description>
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		<title>By: Astrolink [Global Edition] &#187; Angel of refraction &#124; Latest astronomy news in 11 languages</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2006/11/16/state-fair-angel-solved/comment-page-1/#comment-24051</link>
		<dc:creator>Astrolink [Global Edition] &#187; Angel of refraction &#124; Latest astronomy news in 11 languages</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Apr 2007 04:59:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] At least this one was at the Vatican and not at a state fair. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: gahna</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2006/11/16/state-fair-angel-solved/comment-page-1/#comment-24050</link>
		<dc:creator>gahna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jan 2007 00:39:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>people the pic was taken at night, the news article never said that they saw the object while taking the picture! it wasnt until they got home that they saw the angel!!!! not while taking the picture!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>people the pic was taken at night, the news article never said that they saw the object while taking the picture! it wasnt until they got home that they saw the angel!!!! not while taking the picture!</p>
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		<title>By: Irishman</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2006/11/16/state-fair-angel-solved/comment-page-1/#comment-24049</link>
		<dc:creator>Irishman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Nov 2006 21:31:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>icemith, the Xenophobia demo is a reverse process, taking a clear picture of a hummingbird and altering it to resemble the conditions of the picture.  It is intended to show how a hummingbird could appear similarly.  That is all it is intended to show.  Don&#039;t read too much into it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>icemith, the Xenophobia demo is a reverse process, taking a clear picture of a hummingbird and altering it to resemble the conditions of the picture.  It is intended to show how a hummingbird could appear similarly.  That is all it is intended to show.  Don&#8217;t read too much into it.</p>
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		<title>By: Harold</title>
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		<dc:creator>Harold</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Nov 2006 19:42:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was finally able to watch the video and see the original photo (at least, I assume there was no cropping.)  In that photo the antennae are much more obvious than in the close-up image here.

Watching that video the message semmed to be less &quot;Angels are among us!  See the evidence!&quot; and more &quot;These people are gullible idiots!  You&#039;ve gotta hear them!&quot;  Sadly, based on my personal experiences with many people with a similarly low level of critical thinking, I would not be surprised if these folks had never seen a hummingbird moth, or had ever bothered to take a close look at things like bugs in the garden or stars in the sky.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was finally able to watch the video and see the original photo (at least, I assume there was no cropping.)  In that photo the antennae are much more obvious than in the close-up image here.</p>
<p>Watching that video the message semmed to be less &#8220;Angels are among us!  See the evidence!&#8221; and more &#8220;These people are gullible idiots!  You&#8217;ve gotta hear them!&#8221;  Sadly, based on my personal experiences with many people with a similarly low level of critical thinking, I would not be surprised if these folks had never seen a hummingbird moth, or had ever bothered to take a close look at things like bugs in the garden or stars in the sky.</p>
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		<title>By: PK</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2006/11/16/state-fair-angel-solved/comment-page-1/#comment-24047</link>
		<dc:creator>PK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Nov 2006 19:36:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is it a bird? Is it a plane? No it&#039;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Grover&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Super Grover&lt;/a&gt;!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is it a bird? Is it a plane? No it&#8217;s <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Grover" rel="nofollow">Super Grover</a>!</p>
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		<title>By: icemith</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2006/11/16/state-fair-angel-solved/comment-page-1/#comment-24046</link>
		<dc:creator>icemith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Nov 2006 17:49:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I still say it&#039;s a Moth, but it&#039;s interesting that Harold, (at 2:59pm), commented about a Hummingbird moth. Not having seen a hummingbird itself, (I don&#039;t think they are represented in Australia), I cannot really be sure about it. But I have noticed an insect, about the size of a very thin bee flitting around flowers, in what I guess would be reminiscent of the insect described as a hummingbird moth. And the photos in that link are sort of familiar.

Somehow though, I imagined it to be too small not to be noticed whilst up in the ferris wheel, as it would have to be very close to satisfy the dynamics of the photo, ie, like a few inches away from the camera. I, too, wondered about the slight hint of antennas above the head, but considered that a long shot.

It is also obvious that more than a few people have not opened the links to view the original full photo from the ferris wheel to see the conditions under which it was taken.

Go on, take another look.

In the Xenophilia link, the &quot;Shopped&quot; version of what is supposedly, and &quot;eventually&quot; became a hummingbird very clearly, seems too manipulated. Was it done for clarity by a reverse process? Was taking a clear picture and fuzzing it up to illustrate the point, and showing that by un-fuzzing it, it could fit the queried photo? I&#039;m not accusing anybody of fraud here, merely that they were illustrating a point.

Phil appears to have worked with the computer programs that enhances images, that sharpen edges, and add and/or reduce brightness, contrast and color etc., and the shots of the bird are to me, too good. I appreciate what has been done though.

My vote is still a moth, but I don&#039;t know which species. I leave that to the locals. And whatever became of Jonathon Livingstone Seagull anyway? (Another Elvis type Sighting?).

Ivan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I still say it&#8217;s a Moth, but it&#8217;s interesting that Harold, (at 2:59pm), commented about a Hummingbird moth. Not having seen a hummingbird itself, (I don&#8217;t think they are represented in Australia), I cannot really be sure about it. But I have noticed an insect, about the size of a very thin bee flitting around flowers, in what I guess would be reminiscent of the insect described as a hummingbird moth. And the photos in that link are sort of familiar.</p>
<p>Somehow though, I imagined it to be too small not to be noticed whilst up in the ferris wheel, as it would have to be very close to satisfy the dynamics of the photo, ie, like a few inches away from the camera. I, too, wondered about the slight hint of antennas above the head, but considered that a long shot.</p>
<p>It is also obvious that more than a few people have not opened the links to view the original full photo from the ferris wheel to see the conditions under which it was taken.</p>
<p>Go on, take another look.</p>
<p>In the Xenophilia link, the &#8220;Shopped&#8221; version of what is supposedly, and &#8220;eventually&#8221; became a hummingbird very clearly, seems too manipulated. Was it done for clarity by a reverse process? Was taking a clear picture and fuzzing it up to illustrate the point, and showing that by un-fuzzing it, it could fit the queried photo? I&#8217;m not accusing anybody of fraud here, merely that they were illustrating a point.</p>
<p>Phil appears to have worked with the computer programs that enhances images, that sharpen edges, and add and/or reduce brightness, contrast and color etc., and the shots of the bird are to me, too good. I appreciate what has been done though.</p>
<p>My vote is still a moth, but I don&#8217;t know which species. I leave that to the locals. And whatever became of Jonathon Livingstone Seagull anyway? (Another Elvis type Sighting?).</p>
<p>Ivan.</p>
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		<title>By: Zachary Kessin</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2006/11/16/state-fair-angel-solved/comment-page-1/#comment-24045</link>
		<dc:creator>Zachary Kessin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Nov 2006 13:05:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First guess says its some sort of a bird, some what over exposed and a bit out of focus. Lets face it both of these errors are pretty common with many photographers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First guess says its some sort of a bird, some what over exposed and a bit out of focus. Lets face it both of these errors are pretty common with many photographers.</p>
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