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	<title>Comments on: Two supernovae, no waiting</title>
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	<description>I am an astronomer, writer, and skeptic. I likes reality the way it is, and I aims to keep it that way. My real name is Phil Plait, and I run the Bad Astronomy blog.</description>
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		<title>By: Devo (again)</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2006/11/20/two-supernovae-no-waiting/comment-page-1/#comment-24188</link>
		<dc:creator>Devo (again)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Nov 2006 10:42:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Itâ€™s weird for another reason. Up until this year, it is one of the very few galaxies which have been seen to host more than supernova.&quot;

Au contraire, its perfectly normal for glaxies to host more than supernova, they host hugenumbers of stars, dark and bright nebulae of allvarieties, dark matter and black holes among other things. Supernovae are what&#039;s  quite rare! ;-)

Sorry, I couldn&#039;t resist that ... I think you a word out there BA, &#039;two&#039; or &#039;one&#039; perhaps I&#039;m guessing?

Incidentally - can a neutron star ever become the equivalent of a type Ia supernova? If it gathers too much mass the same way a white dwarf does a pulsar or magnetar just collapse into a black hole or can it start nuclear fusion and blow itself apart as well? &amp; if one did, could we tell the SN apart from white dwarf ones?  Anyone know?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Itâ€™s weird for another reason. Up until this year, it is one of the very few galaxies which have been seen to host more than supernova.&#8221;</p>
<p>Au contraire, its perfectly normal for glaxies to host more than supernova, they host hugenumbers of stars, dark and bright nebulae of allvarieties, dark matter and black holes among other things. Supernovae are what&#8217;s  quite rare! <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Sorry, I couldn&#8217;t resist that &#8230; I think you a word out there BA, &#8216;two&#8217; or &#8216;one&#8217; perhaps I&#8217;m guessing?</p>
<p>Incidentally &#8211; can a neutron star ever become the equivalent of a type Ia supernova? If it gathers too much mass the same way a white dwarf does a pulsar or magnetar just collapse into a black hole or can it start nuclear fusion and blow itself apart as well? &amp; if one did, could we tell the SN apart from white dwarf ones?  Anyone know?</p>
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		<title>By: Devo Raine</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2006/11/20/two-supernovae-no-waiting/comment-page-1/#comment-24187</link>
		<dc:creator>Devo Raine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Nov 2006 10:33:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Loks like an S0 type galaxy  - a borderline elliptical /spiral sometimes also called a lenticular galaxy. Not necessarily the sort of Galaxy you&#039;d expect to star with supernovae. (The sort I&#039;d expect, well for type II anyway, would be starburst galaxies eg. M82) Most type II &amp; type Ib would occur from massive young supergiant stars found in young spiral galaxies in the disk mainly. Most old stars occur as populations in the bulges of spirals and in ellipticals so .. well the cosmos confounds expectations again!

Working on an article about the white dwarf Van Maanen&#039;s Star at present - another neat co-incidence.

Nearby white dwarfs : Sirius B &amp; Procyon B  (F-type star a bit brighter and hotter than our Sun, 11 ly off) which are both orbiting larger main-sequence stars and could perhaps one day become nova or supernovae and then the third nearest and first single white dwarf, Van Maanen&#039;s Star  -which won&#039;t  become a supernova (SN) - at a distance of 14 light years away. Needless to say if Sirius or Procyon B do turn SN it won&#039;t be for millions of years.

In answer to &#039;ThePolynomial&#039; : From my recollection &amp;/or gut-feeling I&#039;d say we&#039;d be in serious mass extinction territory if a supernova goes off closer than about 20-30 ly away. One closer than 50 would likely cause serious problems for us &amp; one at about 100 ly would be getting a little close for comfort. One thats 200 or further away and its more a case of lets enjoy the show! ;-)

As for gravitat&#039;l lensing, Glenn Becker,  I very much doubt it could duplicate a single star or SN and not the entire galaxy.  Not a naive question btw but a good one.

ioresult -yep. Your understanding and mine are identical on this because that&#039;s right! ;-)

SN do occur after novae outbursts - many of them as the mass builds up. Unless the progenitor white dwarf was very close to the mass limit anyhow ...

White dwarfs may vary slightly with age and mass so it makes sense that
they may not all be identical and hence not the best standard candles. Haven&#039;t heard any news about recent doubts on their use as such, &#039;jackd&#039; but it wouldn&#039;t surprise me if they were a LOT less accurate as measuring
sticks than Cepheids etc ..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Loks like an S0 type galaxy  &#8211; a borderline elliptical /spiral sometimes also called a lenticular galaxy. Not necessarily the sort of Galaxy you&#8217;d expect to star with supernovae. (The sort I&#8217;d expect, well for type II anyway, would be starburst galaxies eg. M82) Most type II &amp; type Ib would occur from massive young supergiant stars found in young spiral galaxies in the disk mainly. Most old stars occur as populations in the bulges of spirals and in ellipticals so .. well the cosmos confounds expectations again!</p>
<p>Working on an article about the white dwarf Van Maanen&#8217;s Star at present &#8211; another neat co-incidence.</p>
<p>Nearby white dwarfs : Sirius B &amp; Procyon B  (F-type star a bit brighter and hotter than our Sun, 11 ly off) which are both orbiting larger main-sequence stars and could perhaps one day become nova or supernovae and then the third nearest and first single white dwarf, Van Maanen&#8217;s Star  -which won&#8217;t  become a supernova (SN) &#8211; at a distance of 14 light years away. Needless to say if Sirius or Procyon B do turn SN it won&#8217;t be for millions of years.</p>
<p>In answer to &#8216;ThePolynomial&#8217; : From my recollection &amp;/or gut-feeling I&#8217;d say we&#8217;d be in serious mass extinction territory if a supernova goes off closer than about 20-30 ly away. One closer than 50 would likely cause serious problems for us &amp; one at about 100 ly would be getting a little close for comfort. One thats 200 or further away and its more a case of lets enjoy the show! <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>As for gravitat&#8217;l lensing, Glenn Becker,  I very much doubt it could duplicate a single star or SN and not the entire galaxy.  Not a naive question btw but a good one.</p>
<p>ioresult -yep. Your understanding and mine are identical on this because that&#8217;s right! <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>SN do occur after novae outbursts &#8211; many of them as the mass builds up. Unless the progenitor white dwarf was very close to the mass limit anyhow &#8230;</p>
<p>White dwarfs may vary slightly with age and mass so it makes sense that<br />
they may not all be identical and hence not the best standard candles. Haven&#8217;t heard any news about recent doubts on their use as such, &#8216;jackd&#8217; but it wouldn&#8217;t surprise me if they were a LOT less accurate as measuring<br />
sticks than Cepheids etc ..</p>
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		<title>By: mungascr</title>
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		<dc:creator>mungascr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Nov 2006 10:00:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The nearest (eventual) type I supernova may be the brightest (apparent mag) star inour skies - Sirius. Its got a white dwarf star orbiting an A-type main-sequence star, a star that&#039;s going to turn into a red giant soon-ish , wellastronomicalyspeaking anyhow. Its about 8 light years way - one of thecloests star systems to ours.

I&#039;ve read an SF novel  where Sirius B actually errupts into a supernova  - its got some very good science and a science-versus-religion theme too so I reckon the BA and others here would enjoy it if they haven&#039;t read it already. Its titled plainly enough, &#039;Supernova&#039; by Roger MacBride Allen &amp; Eric Kotani, Avon books, 1991. One slight drawback tho&#039;  - it does feature the now-past millennnium as a minor element being mostly set in 1999-2000-2001 approx.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The nearest (eventual) type I supernova may be the brightest (apparent mag) star inour skies &#8211; Sirius. Its got a white dwarf star orbiting an A-type main-sequence star, a star that&#8217;s going to turn into a red giant soon-ish , wellastronomicalyspeaking anyhow. Its about 8 light years way &#8211; one of thecloests star systems to ours.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve read an SF novel  where Sirius B actually errupts into a supernova  &#8211; its got some very good science and a science-versus-religion theme too so I reckon the BA and others here would enjoy it if they haven&#8217;t read it already. Its titled plainly enough, &#8216;Supernova&#8217; by Roger MacBride Allen &amp; Eric Kotani, Avon books, 1991. One slight drawback tho&#8217;  &#8211; it does feature the now-past millennnium as a minor element being mostly set in 1999-2000-2001 approx.</p>
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		<title>By: Sticks</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2006/11/20/two-supernovae-no-waiting/comment-page-1/#comment-24185</link>
		<dc:creator>Sticks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Nov 2006 08:07:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And that we are next :eek:</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And that we are next <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_surprised.gif' alt=':eek:' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Peter Barrett</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2006/11/20/two-supernovae-no-waiting/comment-page-1/#comment-24184</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter Barrett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Nov 2006 00:25:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So there&#039;s no chance that a war between two alien empires is reaching the stage where they&#039;re blowing up each others&#039; stars? :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So there&#8217;s no chance that a war between two alien empires is reaching the stage where they&#8217;re blowing up each others&#8217; stars? <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Glenn Becker</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2006/11/20/two-supernovae-no-waiting/comment-page-1/#comment-24183</link>
		<dc:creator>Glenn Becker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Nov 2006 21:46:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s no chance this is a &quot;doubled by gravitational lensing&quot; of a single event, is there? That&#039;s a naive question, I guess ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s no chance this is a &#8220;doubled by gravitational lensing&#8221; of a single event, is there? That&#8217;s a naive question, I guess &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: CelticBear&#8217;s Musings &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Interesting Science Blog Day: Dark Matter and Supernova</title>
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		<dc:creator>CelticBear&#8217;s Musings &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Interesting Science Blog Day: Dark Matter and Supernova</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Nov 2006 20:28:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Also, over on Bad Astronomy blog, Phil Plait discusses the highly unusual and fantastic event of supernovae in general, and the utterly strange but fascinating frequency of novae in a nearby galaxy! Very cool and awe inspiring information. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Also, over on Bad Astronomy blog, Phil Plait discusses the highly unusual and fantastic event of supernovae in general, and the utterly strange but fascinating frequency of novae in a nearby galaxy! Very cool and awe inspiring information. [...]</p>
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