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	<description>I am an astronomer, writer, and skeptic. I likes reality the way it is, and I aims to keep it that way. My real name is Phil Plait, and I run the Bad Astronomy blog.</description>
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		<title>By: IVAN3MAN</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2006/12/26/moon-hoax-believers/comment-page-2/#comment-174137</link>
		<dc:creator>IVAN3MAN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Apr 2009 06:02:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Thoth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thoth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Apr 2009 06:00:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If these arguments are to progress beyond ignorance, NASA and debunkers should acknowledge that to be skeptical of the Apollo Manned Moon Missions is not unintelligent, illogical, unscientific, or unreasonable.  Many skeptics do a lot of reserach.  Of course there is a lot of ignorance out there.  NASA is responsible for much of it.  Many Americans don&#039;t even realize that the Space Shuttle only travels about 150 miles into space.  But every elementary school student in the U.S. is thoroughly instructed about the Apollo Manned Moon Missions, even though there is no proof (zero) some 40 years later, and while there is a mountain of NASA manufactured evidence, the quality of that evidence is lacking.  I watched the first Manned Moon Landing on television when I was 8. After 20 years of observation using superior sensory technology, I became very skeptical. Another 20 years later, having reviewed thousands of pages of so called scientific evidence, it is clear that at least some portions of the Manned Moon Missions were simulated.  I read a lot of the hoax and hoax debunker blogs. NASA is a highly skilled propaganda machine. But they often fail to even consider valid hoax arguments.  They distract, sidestep, focus on invalid or ignorant arguments, even stoop to name calling.  If a child asked me to prove that I personally made a toy, it would not matter if the child mispronounced a word or wasn&#039;t previously familiar with a particular tool I used.  For me to call the child stupid or crazy, or avoid the child&#039;s legitimate request does not make me more intelligent ... nor does it in any way indicate that the child is not a critical thinker. Regardless of the TRUTH ... NASA is responsible for continued widespread ignorance and for failing to provide quality evidence and adequate proof of an outrageous claim. 100% propaganda and 0% evidence usually is a strong indicator that somethging isn&#039;t true.  If NASA would turn off the propaganda machine, and seriously answer valid questions, we could make some progress.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If these arguments are to progress beyond ignorance, NASA and debunkers should acknowledge that to be skeptical of the Apollo Manned Moon Missions is not unintelligent, illogical, unscientific, or unreasonable.  Many skeptics do a lot of reserach.  Of course there is a lot of ignorance out there.  NASA is responsible for much of it.  Many Americans don&#8217;t even realize that the Space Shuttle only travels about 150 miles into space.  But every elementary school student in the U.S. is thoroughly instructed about the Apollo Manned Moon Missions, even though there is no proof (zero) some 40 years later, and while there is a mountain of NASA manufactured evidence, the quality of that evidence is lacking.  I watched the first Manned Moon Landing on television when I was 8. After 20 years of observation using superior sensory technology, I became very skeptical. Another 20 years later, having reviewed thousands of pages of so called scientific evidence, it is clear that at least some portions of the Manned Moon Missions were simulated.  I read a lot of the hoax and hoax debunker blogs. NASA is a highly skilled propaganda machine. But they often fail to even consider valid hoax arguments.  They distract, sidestep, focus on invalid or ignorant arguments, even stoop to name calling.  If a child asked me to prove that I personally made a toy, it would not matter if the child mispronounced a word or wasn&#8217;t previously familiar with a particular tool I used.  For me to call the child stupid or crazy, or avoid the child&#8217;s legitimate request does not make me more intelligent &#8230; nor does it in any way indicate that the child is not a critical thinker. Regardless of the TRUTH &#8230; NASA is responsible for continued widespread ignorance and for failing to provide quality evidence and adequate proof of an outrageous claim. 100% propaganda and 0% evidence usually is a strong indicator that somethging isn&#8217;t true.  If NASA would turn off the propaganda machine, and seriously answer valid questions, we could make some progress.</p>
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		<title>By: mountainvoyager</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2006/12/26/moon-hoax-believers/comment-page-1/#comment-26512</link>
		<dc:creator>mountainvoyager</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Feb 2008 14:20:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here in Scotland. I am surrounded by hoax believers, since there was recently a documentary on t.v.  no one can recall the name of show...so I&#039;m not sure if its the fox one...I haven&#039;t seen any of them myself....
 but it was all the works, flag waving, no stars, people being murdered, intense heat,  which I   assume to be van allen belts,  some of these people are so convinced of these hoaxes...but I reckon its as my main man the humanitarian Peter Gabriel says&#039;&#039; You are what you watch&#039;&#039; ....but to do so blindly is folly..and dangerous...just look what they got way with doing in Iraq..after misleading..if not down right lying to the us. and uk people

ps the footage of astronaut getting help up off the ground was difficult to argue against with its seeming wee glitch...over use of footage I said...help on this one</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here in Scotland. I am surrounded by hoax believers, since there was recently a documentary on t.v.  no one can recall the name of show&#8230;so I&#8217;m not sure if its the fox one&#8230;I haven&#8217;t seen any of them myself&#8230;.<br />
 but it was all the works, flag waving, no stars, people being murdered, intense heat,  which I   assume to be van allen belts,  some of these people are so convinced of these hoaxes&#8230;but I reckon its as my main man the humanitarian Peter Gabriel says&#8221; You are what you watch&#8221; &#8230;.but to do so blindly is folly..and dangerous&#8230;just look what they got way with doing in Iraq..after misleading..if not down right lying to the us. and uk people</p>
<p>ps the footage of astronaut getting help up off the ground was difficult to argue against with its seeming wee glitch&#8230;over use of footage I said&#8230;help on this one</p>
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		<title>By: Shmoo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shmoo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Oct 2007 20:06:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In fact, there is no MOON!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In fact, there is no MOON!</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Martin</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2006/12/26/moon-hoax-believers/comment-page-1/#comment-26510</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Dec 2006 21:16:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I also have to laugh (hard) when reading this part specifically:

&quot;Another problem that I didnâ€™t include is that sometimes you see the side of the astronaut not facing the sun and it is visible, not completely dark like it should be. With only one bright light source that shouldnâ€™t happen,...&quot;

They never seem to grasp the implication of this claim. If the shaded side of the astronaut is pitch black, it means that no light is entering the astronaut&#039;s eyes. An astronaut in the shade should, according to Hoax proponents, be bat-blind. That first A-11 photo cited by MLPSceptic is pointing directly away from the Sun. Why doesn&#039;t MLP argue that the very landscape ought to be unseeable, just nothing but blackness? Doesn&#039;t he realize the difference between the soil and the sky, which is in fact perfectly black?

Hoax proponents are just plain stupid, not because they question the conventional wisdom, but because they only take their arguments just far enough to assure themselves that the hoax is real- but no further.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I also have to laugh (hard) when reading this part specifically:</p>
<p>&#8220;Another problem that I didnâ€™t include is that sometimes you see the side of the astronaut not facing the sun and it is visible, not completely dark like it should be. With only one bright light source that shouldnâ€™t happen,&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>They never seem to grasp the implication of this claim. If the shaded side of the astronaut is pitch black, it means that no light is entering the astronaut&#8217;s eyes. An astronaut in the shade should, according to Hoax proponents, be bat-blind. That first A-11 photo cited by MLPSceptic is pointing directly away from the Sun. Why doesn&#8217;t MLP argue that the very landscape ought to be unseeable, just nothing but blackness? Doesn&#8217;t he realize the difference between the soil and the sky, which is in fact perfectly black?</p>
<p>Hoax proponents are just plain stupid, not because they question the conventional wisdom, but because they only take their arguments just far enough to assure themselves that the hoax is real- but no further.</p>
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		<title>By: DJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>DJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Dec 2006 17:41:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;&quot;Another problem that I didnâ€™t include is that sometimes you see the side of the astronaut not facing the sun and it is visible, not completely dark like it should be. With only one bright light source that shouldnâ€™t happen, &lt;b&gt;and with the curvature of the surface there should be no light reflecting back&lt;/b&gt;&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

That&#039;s just my favorite part of MLPSceptic&#039;s post.  :-)

How big does this mensa think the moon actually is, about the size of a football field?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;Another problem that I didnâ€™t include is that sometimes you see the side of the astronaut not facing the sun and it is visible, not completely dark like it should be. With only one bright light source that shouldnâ€™t happen, <b>and with the curvature of the surface there should be no light reflecting back</b>&#8220;</i></p>
<p>That&#8217;s just my favorite part of MLPSceptic&#8217;s post.  <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>How big does this mensa think the moon actually is, about the size of a football field?</p>
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		<title>By: Bob ~I watched it at the time~</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob ~I watched it at the time~</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Dec 2006 20:45:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anyone old enough to remember the landings KNOWS they went. The Russians would have given anything to have the chance to put one over the Americans. If you knew the world situation at the time you would have no doubt at all. I&#039;m a Brit and not all that keen on the USA &amp; GWB at the moment, but I know they went. Don&#039;t forget the Russians got unmanned probes there years before the USA, so were perfectly capable of tracking the missions, and boy, would they have been shouting &#039;Foul&#039; given the slightest hint of anything dodgy. Ye gods, I don&#039;t even know why I&#039;m bothering to argue with them, they&#039;ve probably all been abducted and taken to Venus by friendly aliens, so they can&#039;t be wrong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anyone old enough to remember the landings KNOWS they went. The Russians would have given anything to have the chance to put one over the Americans. If you knew the world situation at the time you would have no doubt at all. I&#8217;m a Brit and not all that keen on the USA &amp; GWB at the moment, but I know they went. Don&#8217;t forget the Russians got unmanned probes there years before the USA, so were perfectly capable of tracking the missions, and boy, would they have been shouting &#8216;Foul&#8217; given the slightest hint of anything dodgy. Ye gods, I don&#8217;t even know why I&#8217;m bothering to argue with them, they&#8217;ve probably all been abducted and taken to Venus by friendly aliens, so they can&#8217;t be wrong.</p>
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