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	<title>Comments on: Mecca lecca hi</title>
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	<description>I am an astronomer, writer, and skeptic. I likes reality the way it is, and I aims to keep it that way. My real name is Phil Plait, and I run the Bad Astronomy blog.</description>
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		<title>By: emine</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/01/16/mecca-lecca-hi/comment-page-2/#comment-177368</link>
		<dc:creator>emine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Apr 2009 05:05:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okey guys when i will go to do my pilgrimage i will take with me a magnetic compass and make the test sounds fair right meanwhile  for mathematician and designer you can check about the golden point  of the earth you will see that it is in Mecca http://www.holymysteries.com/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okey guys when i will go to do my pilgrimage i will take with me a magnetic compass and make the test sounds fair right meanwhile  for mathematician and designer you can check about the golden point  of the earth you will see that it is in Mecca <a href="http://www.holymysteries.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.holymysteries.com/</a></p>
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		<title>By: SB</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/01/16/mecca-lecca-hi/comment-page-2/#comment-27770</link>
		<dc:creator>SB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 17:58:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>C&#039;mon morons, get real. Of course most people, especially ultra-religious, look for evidence to support their facts. This happens everywhere. But let&#039;s not be freaks ourselves. To say that these people want to take us back to the 7th Century is spoken like  a true idiot. Proof: The Ottoman Empire consisted of Christian, Jews, Muslims, and Hindus. They all got along peacefully for over 1,000 years. Get your facts straight. They are a much more peaceful society than ours ever was.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>C&#8217;mon morons, get real. Of course most people, especially ultra-religious, look for evidence to support their facts. This happens everywhere. But let&#8217;s not be freaks ourselves. To say that these people want to take us back to the 7th Century is spoken like  a true idiot. Proof: The Ottoman Empire consisted of Christian, Jews, Muslims, and Hindus. They all got along peacefully for over 1,000 years. Get your facts straight. They are a much more peaceful society than ours ever was.</p>
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		<title>By: Mecca lecca no, Part 2</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mecca lecca no, Part 2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Apr 2008 18:59:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] guy, Abd Al-Baset Sayyid (about whom I&#8217;ve written before) is spouting 100% pure unadulterated nonsense (and from this video it&#8217;s clear, as I said in [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] guy, Abd Al-Baset Sayyid (about whom I&#8217;ve written before) is spouting 100% pure unadulterated nonsense (and from this video it&#8217;s clear, as I said in [...]</p>
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		<title>By: james</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/01/16/mecca-lecca-hi/comment-page-2/#comment-27768</link>
		<dc:creator>james</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 10:38:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am not against you but you have not presented factual evidences that Dr. Abd Al-Baset Al-Sayyid is wrong. I have checked the map, Mecca is half -way to human population almost 1/2 to the east and 1/2 to the west. You just simply dump his ideas to garbage. You know words of Aljebra, Algorithm, etc, all of these words came from arabic, they used them for astronomy calculation and later adopted by westerner. Eventhough his idea is totally wrong  and if you are scentific people,  you will never ever throw somone else ideas without properly come up with factual evidents that goes against it. Off course new science is always go against logical thinking because the &quot;wrong&quot; logical thingking is the barrier to knowledge frontier. If you were go back to 1 century and meet with your great great grand father and you said, &quot;there are virus/bacteria living organism which are invisible to your eyes but can harm you&quot;. You know what they said ? &quot;You are idiot !&quot; If you can not see them, then they are not there !&quot;

Same thing here, our great great grand son will laugh at us, they will said we are primitive civilization because 100-200 years from now, today&#039;s scientific principles shall be totally different and some may contradicted to our&#039;s.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am not against you but you have not presented factual evidences that Dr. Abd Al-Baset Al-Sayyid is wrong. I have checked the map, Mecca is half -way to human population almost 1/2 to the east and 1/2 to the west. You just simply dump his ideas to garbage. You know words of Aljebra, Algorithm, etc, all of these words came from arabic, they used them for astronomy calculation and later adopted by westerner. Eventhough his idea is totally wrong  and if you are scentific people,  you will never ever throw somone else ideas without properly come up with factual evidents that goes against it. Off course new science is always go against logical thinking because the &#8220;wrong&#8221; logical thingking is the barrier to knowledge frontier. If you were go back to 1 century and meet with your great great grand father and you said, &#8220;there are virus/bacteria living organism which are invisible to your eyes but can harm you&#8221;. You know what they said ? &#8220;You are idiot !&#8221; If you can not see them, then they are not there !&#8221;</p>
<p>Same thing here, our great great grand son will laugh at us, they will said we are primitive civilization because 100-200 years from now, today&#8217;s scientific principles shall be totally different and some may contradicted to our&#8217;s.</p>
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		<title>By: hheb09'1</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/01/16/mecca-lecca-hi/comment-page-2/#comment-27767</link>
		<dc:creator>hheb09'1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2008 05:59:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d just like to clarify something.  Britney Spears is not an anagram of Presbyterian as claimed above.

It is an anagram of Presbyterians.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d just like to clarify something.  Britney Spears is not an anagram of Presbyterian as claimed above.</p>
<p>It is an anagram of Presbyterians.</p>
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		<title>By: icemith</title>
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		<dc:creator>icemith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Jan 2007 17:56:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To hhEb09&#039;1, I beg to differ. The thrust of the argument is acceptable so long as we are looking at time on a relative basis. But that is not what happens in the real world. Whatever time-zone one is in, seems to be the definitive time. It is not until New Year&#039;s Eve that we are reminded that the &#039;dropping of the ball&#039;, or the fireworks or whatever celebrates that moment, that we realise it is played out 24 times or so, around the world.

I don&#039;t want to appear smug because we here in Sydney are actually second cab off that particular rank, and that New Zealand is first to greet the New Year, (good luck to them). Actually I spent NYE on a beach with some of my family in Adelaide SA, and that it was a further half hour later. I was acutely aware that it was really NYE still, not earlier with my friends who were home, nor later for other friends in the USA, or Britain, or other relatives in another state in Australia.

And then there is daylight saving time as well!

I get peeved that certain world events get pegged to certain dates. The best example is the day Neil Armstrong walked on the moon. By agreement if it is understood that any extra-terrestrial activity be referenced to a &#039;Universal&#039; time, then that is legally GMT, UTS, Zulu. It is co-ordinated, but certain News organisations and their affilliates, particularly in the US, and because they think they created the news, have it date-stamped for their date. OK, I know that other news editors in other countries should not be lazy, but correct these anomalies. By that token, he walked on the moon on the 21st of July, 1969. Though we can share that anniversary at the very same moment, it has different days on which to do so.

(On a different track, the short-hand for the World Trade Center attack - 9/11 - is a variant of this and represents a local, US practice of date format, generally not used elsewhere. I understand that and comprehend its meening, but wish it was more logical.)

 Don&#039;t get me wrong, I&#039;m not knocking the US on this score, just pointing out the inconsistencies.

Greenwich IS halfway through the day, half the world, with about three quarters (three fourths!) of the world population, are well and truly into that day, call it Monday or whatever. Actually about 80 percent of the population live east of the GMT line, but of course some of them have only just gone to bed in say, Germany, if they were up late after their midnight. Consider China - 1.2b and India another 1 billion or so, there&#039;s one third with just two countries.

If I remember correctly, it gets back to the understanding of the difference between Cardinal and Calendar reckoning. This was thrashed out in the Year 2000, re the actual start of the Century, and for that matter, the Millennium. (I didn&#039;t know it had a double &#039;n&#039;, but I did know it had an &#039;i&#039; near the end! Now check &#039;Aluminium&#039;.)

Ivan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To hhEb09&#8242;1, I beg to differ. The thrust of the argument is acceptable so long as we are looking at time on a relative basis. But that is not what happens in the real world. Whatever time-zone one is in, seems to be the definitive time. It is not until New Year&#8217;s Eve that we are reminded that the &#8216;dropping of the ball&#8217;, or the fireworks or whatever celebrates that moment, that we realise it is played out 24 times or so, around the world.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t want to appear smug because we here in Sydney are actually second cab off that particular rank, and that New Zealand is first to greet the New Year, (good luck to them). Actually I spent NYE on a beach with some of my family in Adelaide SA, and that it was a further half hour later. I was acutely aware that it was really NYE still, not earlier with my friends who were home, nor later for other friends in the USA, or Britain, or other relatives in another state in Australia.</p>
<p>And then there is daylight saving time as well!</p>
<p>I get peeved that certain world events get pegged to certain dates. The best example is the day Neil Armstrong walked on the moon. By agreement if it is understood that any extra-terrestrial activity be referenced to a &#8216;Universal&#8217; time, then that is legally GMT, UTS, Zulu. It is co-ordinated, but certain News organisations and their affilliates, particularly in the US, and because they think they created the news, have it date-stamped for their date. OK, I know that other news editors in other countries should not be lazy, but correct these anomalies. By that token, he walked on the moon on the 21st of July, 1969. Though we can share that anniversary at the very same moment, it has different days on which to do so.</p>
<p>(On a different track, the short-hand for the World Trade Center attack &#8211; 9/11 &#8211; is a variant of this and represents a local, US practice of date format, generally not used elsewhere. I understand that and comprehend its meening, but wish it was more logical.)</p>
<p> Don&#8217;t get me wrong, I&#8217;m not knocking the US on this score, just pointing out the inconsistencies.</p>
<p>Greenwich IS halfway through the day, half the world, with about three quarters (three fourths!) of the world population, are well and truly into that day, call it Monday or whatever. Actually about 80 percent of the population live east of the GMT line, but of course some of them have only just gone to bed in say, Germany, if they were up late after their midnight. Consider China &#8211; 1.2b and India another 1 billion or so, there&#8217;s one third with just two countries.</p>
<p>If I remember correctly, it gets back to the understanding of the difference between Cardinal and Calendar reckoning. This was thrashed out in the Year 2000, re the actual start of the Century, and for that matter, the Millennium. (I didn&#8217;t know it had a double &#8216;n&#8217;, but I did know it had an &#8216;i&#8217; near the end! Now check &#8216;Aluminium&#8217;.)</p>
<p>Ivan.</p>
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		<title>By: hhEb09'1</title>
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		<dc:creator>hhEb09'1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Jan 2007 16:30:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>icesmith, your comment: &quot;Eric, If you think about it, the Intâ€™l date line is where the day starts. Itâ€™s just that Greenwich is halfway thru that day,&quot;

Each day does not start at the date line, the date line is just where you convert from one date to the other--but it could be 3pm in the afternoon.  Greenwich is opposite the date line, but there is no day that it is halfway thru.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>icesmith, your comment: &#8220;Eric, If you think about it, the Intâ€™l date line is where the day starts. Itâ€™s just that Greenwich is halfway thru that day,&#8221;</p>
<p>Each day does not start at the date line, the date line is just where you convert from one date to the other&#8211;but it could be 3pm in the afternoon.  Greenwich is opposite the date line, but there is no day that it is halfway thru.</p>
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