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	<title>Comments on: Doomsday interview!</title>
	<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/02/01/doomsday-interview/</link>
	<description>I am an astronomer, writer, and skeptic. I likes reality the way it is, and I aims to keep it that way. My real name is Phil Plait, and I run the Bad Astronomy blog.</description>
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		<title>By: hacman</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/02/01/doomsday-interview/#comment-28943</link>
		<dc:creator>hacman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Feb 2007 00:12:42 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/02/01/doomsday-interview/#comment-28943</guid>
		<description>Resubmitted:
Really disliked this whole thing as propaganda from UCS.  Nuclear power reactors do not use highly enriched uranium (more than 95%) but rather low enrichment (less than 5%).  This talk is full of subtle nuances such as that.  If you want to learn something about the nuclear age read "Creating the New World" by Theodore Rockwell.  It's a blast.  (Slamming two pieces of highly enriched uranium will not create a large explosion --- double dumb)  I'm very disappointed in Phil.</description>
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Really disliked this whole thing as propaganda from UCS.  Nuclear power reactors do not use highly enriched uranium (more than 95%) but rather low enrichment (less than 5%).  This talk is full of subtle nuances such as that.  If you want to learn something about the nuclear age read &#8220;Creating the New World&#8221; by Theodore Rockwell.  It&#8217;s a blast.  (Slamming two pieces of highly enriched uranium will not create a large explosion &#8212; double dumb)  I&#8217;m very disappointed in Phil.</p>
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		<title>By: hacman</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/02/01/doomsday-interview/#comment-28942</link>
		<dc:creator>hacman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Feb 2007 00:11:06 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/02/01/doomsday-interview/#comment-28942</guid>
		<description>Really disliked this whole thing as propaganda from UCS.  Nuclear power reactors do not use highly enriched uranium (&#62;95%) but rather low enrichment (</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Really disliked this whole thing as propaganda from UCS.  Nuclear power reactors do not use highly enriched uranium (&gt;95%) but rather low enrichment (</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremy</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/02/01/doomsday-interview/#comment-28941</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeremy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Feb 2007 23:28:44 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/02/01/doomsday-interview/#comment-28941</guid>
		<description>Great interview overall, but I have a few quibble points.

First, the comment that if they couldn't predict their own passing, what good are they. I don't see how that is a point which disproves that their calendars can't predict anything. You don't know whether they predicted their own demise or not, or whether their own demise was even important to the continued "prediction" of events in the calendar after their passing. Seems really unimportant to whether or not there is any use in them as predictors of anything. What is important is that they don't predict anything at all. They're just calendars.

Secondly, that comment about them getting wiped out by disease. You said that very definitively, but there isn't a known answer to why they disappeared. Disease is one hypothesis, so are drought, overthrow, other environmental disaster, and economic collapse.

As I said, quibble points.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great interview overall, but I have a few quibble points.</p>
<p>First, the comment that if they couldn&#8217;t predict their own passing, what good are they. I don&#8217;t see how that is a point which disproves that their calendars can&#8217;t predict anything. You don&#8217;t know whether they predicted their own demise or not, or whether their own demise was even important to the continued &#8220;prediction&#8221; of events in the calendar after their passing. Seems really unimportant to whether or not there is any use in them as predictors of anything. What is important is that they don&#8217;t predict anything at all. They&#8217;re just calendars.</p>
<p>Secondly, that comment about them getting wiped out by disease. You said that very definitively, but there isn&#8217;t a known answer to why they disappeared. Disease is one hypothesis, so are drought, overthrow, other environmental disaster, and economic collapse.</p>
<p>As I said, quibble points.</p>
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		<title>By: Ausrick</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/02/01/doomsday-interview/#comment-28940</link>
		<dc:creator>Ausrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Feb 2007 22:28:51 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/02/01/doomsday-interview/#comment-28940</guid>
		<description>&#62;The ancient Chinese didnâ€™t have evidence of Qi, the ancient Egyptians werenâ€™t magical, the Druids didnâ€™t have mystical abilities and no one named Noah ever lived to be 900 years old. Itâ€™s all just silly.

J Rearden, I haven't done any research on claims of Chinese Qi, or Egyptian and Druid "supernatural" powers, but since you said it's just plain silly, I wanted to make sure you weren't summarily dismissing claims.

I understand why claiming that someone lived for more than 10 times the current human life expectancy would sound preposterous, especially given current common-sense evidence that life spans, due to advances in science and medicine, should be getting longer, not shorter.

There are a couple of things that seem interesting about Noahâ€™s case.  According to the genealogies accounted in the book of Genesis, Noah wasnâ€™t the only one to live so long, but all people before him, and after his time, the age spans gradually curve along a path that is mathematically expected.  Also that the text, rather than making a big deal out of how unnaturally long a personâ€™s age is, and attributing it to miraculous wonders, seems to actually instead handle it in a very â€œmatter of factâ€ manner.  Not typically what would be expected of writings from over 3000 years ago.

Since today, we know that conditions like Down Syndrome and Progeria exist that cause rapid aging, by inverse the notion of the possibility for long life spans in the past is not entirely absurd and could warrant additional investigation as opposed to being summarily dismissed.

What do scientists do when faced with these questions?  Well, if following with the scientific method, they make models and hypotheses and predictions.  And conduct tests that should see how accurate their models predictions predict the reality of the tests.

There have been many studies into Reactive Oxygen Species, Telomere Loss, Caloric Restriction, Genome Size, and studies based on what effects cosmic radiation has on life expectancy from the Vela Supernova , so far, what Iâ€™ve read in peer reviewed articles seems to indicate scientific plausibility, but I admit, I am not a scientist, I just try to keep up on it in my spare time.

What Iâ€™m trying to say is that a scientist who believes something works one way, and thus builds a testable model on established principles and then formulates hypotheses and experiments is just as much a scientist as another scientist who believes something works another way and goes through the same process to test his or her model and hypotheses.  The best approach to finding truth is to not summarily dismiss things until they have been well investigated, thus withholding judgment until being finished with investigating through testing hypotheses and critical thinking.  And of course keeping an open frame of reference where you will continue to weigh new data as it comes in against your existing models and discard models that no longer work and build new ones.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;The ancient Chinese didnâ€™t have evidence of Qi, the ancient Egyptians werenâ€™t magical, the Druids didnâ€™t have mystical abilities and no one named Noah ever lived to be 900 years old. Itâ€™s all just silly.</p>
<p>J Rearden, I haven&#8217;t done any research on claims of Chinese Qi, or Egyptian and Druid &#8220;supernatural&#8221; powers, but since you said it&#8217;s just plain silly, I wanted to make sure you weren&#8217;t summarily dismissing claims.</p>
<p>I understand why claiming that someone lived for more than 10 times the current human life expectancy would sound preposterous, especially given current common-sense evidence that life spans, due to advances in science and medicine, should be getting longer, not shorter.</p>
<p>There are a couple of things that seem interesting about Noahâ€™s case.  According to the genealogies accounted in the book of Genesis, Noah wasnâ€™t the only one to live so long, but all people before him, and after his time, the age spans gradually curve along a path that is mathematically expected.  Also that the text, rather than making a big deal out of how unnaturally long a personâ€™s age is, and attributing it to miraculous wonders, seems to actually instead handle it in a very â€œmatter of factâ€ manner.  Not typically what would be expected of writings from over 3000 years ago.</p>
<p>Since today, we know that conditions like Down Syndrome and Progeria exist that cause rapid aging, by inverse the notion of the possibility for long life spans in the past is not entirely absurd and could warrant additional investigation as opposed to being summarily dismissed.</p>
<p>What do scientists do when faced with these questions?  Well, if following with the scientific method, they make models and hypotheses and predictions.  And conduct tests that should see how accurate their models predictions predict the reality of the tests.</p>
<p>There have been many studies into Reactive Oxygen Species, Telomere Loss, Caloric Restriction, Genome Size, and studies based on what effects cosmic radiation has on life expectancy from the Vela Supernova , so far, what Iâ€™ve read in peer reviewed articles seems to indicate scientific plausibility, but I admit, I am not a scientist, I just try to keep up on it in my spare time.</p>
<p>What Iâ€™m trying to say is that a scientist who believes something works one way, and thus builds a testable model on established principles and then formulates hypotheses and experiments is just as much a scientist as another scientist who believes something works another way and goes through the same process to test his or her model and hypotheses.  The best approach to finding truth is to not summarily dismiss things until they have been well investigated, thus withholding judgment until being finished with investigating through testing hypotheses and critical thinking.  And of course keeping an open frame of reference where you will continue to weigh new data as it comes in against your existing models and discard models that no longer work and build new ones.</p>
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		<title>By: It&#8217;s the End of the World as We Know It &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Cosmic Doomsday Cults</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/02/01/doomsday-interview/#comment-28939</link>
		<dc:creator>It&#8217;s the End of the World as We Know It &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Cosmic Doomsday Cults</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Feb 2007 15:20:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Sticks</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/02/01/doomsday-interview/#comment-28938</link>
		<dc:creator>Sticks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Feb 2007 07:56:52 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/02/01/doomsday-interview/#comment-28938</guid>
		<description>Sorry that was long after the Septuagint and the Codex Siniaticus ;)</description>
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		<title>By: csrster</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/02/01/doomsday-interview/#comment-28937</link>
		<dc:creator>csrster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Feb 2007 07:49:51 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/02/01/doomsday-interview/#comment-28937</guid>
		<description>The KJV isn't the oldest English bible - that was Tyndale's Bible.</description>
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