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	<title>Comments on: Talkin&#8217; to Penn, Schoolin&#8217; Joe Rogan Part II</title>
	<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/02/06/talkin-to-penn-schoolin-joe-rogan-part-ii/</link>
	<description>I am an astronomer, writer, and skeptic. I likes reality the way it is, and I aims to keep it that way. My real name is Phil Plait, and I run the Bad Astronomy blog.</description>
	<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jan 2009 02:42:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Sode #23: 7 Things We Hate About the Gameosphere (Meta 06) &#124; Brilliant Gameologists</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/02/06/talkin-to-penn-schoolin-joe-rogan-part-ii/#comment-121752</link>
		<dc:creator>Sode #23: 7 Things We Hate About the Gameosphere (Meta 06) &#124; Brilliant Gameologists</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 04:07:28 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/02/06/talkin-to-penn-schoolin-joe-rogan-part-ii/#comment-121752</guid>
		<description>[...] The Bad Astronomer debates Joe Rogan about the Moon landing [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] The Bad Astronomer debates Joe Rogan about the Moon landing [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Boston paranoia level about to go up a notch &#124; Bad Astronomy &#124; Discover Magazine</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/02/06/talkin-to-penn-schoolin-joe-rogan-part-ii/#comment-117934</link>
		<dc:creator>Boston paranoia level about to go up a notch &#124; Bad Astronomy &#124; Discover Magazine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Sep 2008 22:34:58 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/02/06/talkin-to-penn-schoolin-joe-rogan-part-ii/#comment-117934</guid>
		<description>[...] a while the second time we talked, I recovered later and was able to show where he was being silly. In the first part I had him on the ropes. Sadly, Penn&#8217;s show is off the air, but the shows are archived. So you [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] a while the second time we talked, I recovered later and was able to show where he was being silly. In the first part I had him on the ropes. Sadly, Penn&#8217;s show is off the air, but the shows are archived. So you [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Mr. Neil</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/02/06/talkin-to-penn-schoolin-joe-rogan-part-ii/#comment-29439</link>
		<dc:creator>Mr. Neil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2007 16:12:38 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/02/06/talkin-to-penn-schoolin-joe-rogan-part-ii/#comment-29439</guid>
		<description>Joe is a perfect example of why I've stopped trying to debate people, because I hate when people think they have you cornered and start being overly aggressive.  Debate is about the aquisition of knowledge, and I'm afraid that Joe Rogan, like most people, assume that it's all about winning.  There's no call for that.

I used to believe in the moon hoax, too. But what I've learned is that bad arguments that are hastily-conceived often require very long explanations to refute.  When you're making a scientific response, you can't just do it in a sound byte.  I don't think Joe Rogan understands this, and this is where his aggressive tactics betray him.  He basically cheats himself out of a greater understanding.

I agree that Rogan's entire argment on the second show was basically one big ad hominem.  I don't think you really did that badly the second time around, Phil.  What Joe basically attempted to do was to provide a wide enough margin for his moon hoax conspiracy to exist.  But this is the fallacy of the argument from ignorance.  One cannot hope to win an argument this way, and it's only a matter of time before someone makes a complete fool of him for doing that.

I think Joe would be in for quite a suprise if you were to challenge him to a formal written debate, where you have time to research his claims, rather than trying to respond to them on the fly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joe is a perfect example of why I&#8217;ve stopped trying to debate people, because I hate when people think they have you cornered and start being overly aggressive.  Debate is about the aquisition of knowledge, and I&#8217;m afraid that Joe Rogan, like most people, assume that it&#8217;s all about winning.  There&#8217;s no call for that.</p>
<p>I used to believe in the moon hoax, too. But what I&#8217;ve learned is that bad arguments that are hastily-conceived often require very long explanations to refute.  When you&#8217;re making a scientific response, you can&#8217;t just do it in a sound byte.  I don&#8217;t think Joe Rogan understands this, and this is where his aggressive tactics betray him.  He basically cheats himself out of a greater understanding.</p>
<p>I agree that Rogan&#8217;s entire argment on the second show was basically one big ad hominem.  I don&#8217;t think you really did that badly the second time around, Phil.  What Joe basically attempted to do was to provide a wide enough margin for his moon hoax conspiracy to exist.  But this is the fallacy of the argument from ignorance.  One cannot hope to win an argument this way, and it&#8217;s only a matter of time before someone makes a complete fool of him for doing that.</p>
<p>I think Joe would be in for quite a suprise if you were to challenge him to a formal written debate, where you have time to research his claims, rather than trying to respond to them on the fly.</p>
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		<title>By: Nate</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/02/06/talkin-to-penn-schoolin-joe-rogan-part-ii/#comment-29438</link>
		<dc:creator>Nate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jul 2007 06:24:49 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/02/06/talkin-to-penn-schoolin-joe-rogan-part-ii/#comment-29438</guid>
		<description>They were the February 5, 2007, and the February 23, 2007 shows, fyi. Here is the link again: http://www.pennfans.net/category/Audio_Archive/PennRadio/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They were the February 5, 2007, and the February 23, 2007 shows, fyi. Here is the link again: <a href="http://www.pennfans.net/category/Audio_Archive/PennRadio/" rel="nofollow">http://www.pennfans.net/category/Audio_Archive/PennRadio/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Nate</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/02/06/talkin-to-penn-schoolin-joe-rogan-part-ii/#comment-29437</link>
		<dc:creator>Nate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jul 2007 06:13:08 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/02/06/talkin-to-penn-schoolin-joe-rogan-part-ii/#comment-29437</guid>
		<description>For anyone looking for the shows, the original links have gone dead, but you can find archives of all the shows here:
http://www.pennfans.net/category/Audio_Archive/PennRadio/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For anyone looking for the shows, the original links have gone dead, but you can find archives of all the shows here:<br />
<a href="http://www.pennfans.net/category/Audio_Archive/PennRadio/" rel="nofollow">http://www.pennfans.net/category/Audio_Archive/PennRadio/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Hazzel</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/02/06/talkin-to-penn-schoolin-joe-rogan-part-ii/#comment-29436</link>
		<dc:creator>Hazzel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 15:49:20 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/02/06/talkin-to-penn-schoolin-joe-rogan-part-ii/#comment-29436</guid>
		<description>the links to the mp3 do not work (at least not anymore), were can I find it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the links to the mp3 do not work (at least not anymore), were can I find it?</p>
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		<title>By: Casper Larsen</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/02/06/talkin-to-penn-schoolin-joe-rogan-part-ii/#comment-29435</link>
		<dc:creator>Casper Larsen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 15:14:51 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/02/06/talkin-to-penn-schoolin-joe-rogan-part-ii/#comment-29435</guid>
		<description>I have great respect for Joe, his standup and his look on life in general. He is actually a very intelligent man......But i personally believe that the US landed on the moon(That it was a terrible waste of time and money is another thing) but I think the debate was funny, and informative. I know that Joe is aggresive but even Phil has to give him probs for taking the debate and listening to what he had to say....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have great respect for Joe, his standup and his look on life in general. He is actually a very intelligent man&#8230;&#8230;But i personally believe that the US landed on the moon(That it was a terrible waste of time and money is another thing) but I think the debate was funny, and informative. I know that Joe is aggresive but even Phil has to give him probs for taking the debate and listening to what he had to say&#8230;.</p>
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