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	<description>I am an astronomer, writer, and skeptic. I likes reality the way it is, and I aims to keep it that way. My real name is Phil Plait, and I run the Bad Astronomy blog.</description>
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		<title>By: Just how low can a black hole go? &#124; Bad Astronomy &#124; cYaNk</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/02/07/gamma-rays-from-monster-stars/comment-page-1/#comment-291487</link>
		<dc:creator>Just how low can a black hole go? &#124; Bad Astronomy &#124; cYaNk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Aug 2010 12:10:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] OK, so maybe we can be a *little* frightened - Anniversary of a cosmic blast - Gamma rays from monster stars - Astro round [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Oct 2008 11:30:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>With a separation of about 0.25 AU, I would expect that the stars would cook off in quick succession.  The first supernova would blow off a large portion of the outer layers of the second, thus dramatically changing the balance between the pressure at the center of the star from fusion) and the weight of the layers above it.  Removing the outer layers would allow the core to expand QUICKLY.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With a separation of about 0.25 AU, I would expect that the stars would cook off in quick succession.  The first supernova would blow off a large portion of the outer layers of the second, thus dramatically changing the balance between the pressure at the center of the star from fusion) and the weight of the layers above it.  Removing the outer layers would allow the core to expand QUICKLY.</p>
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		<title>By: John Castner</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/02/07/gamma-rays-from-monster-stars/comment-page-1/#comment-29466</link>
		<dc:creator>John Castner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jun 2007 00:09:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For those asking about the maximum energy of a photon and speculating about a pixel size to the universe, note that some current theories claim that information cannot be destroyed, even by a black hole (just scrambled quite effectively).  This in turn means that the black hole carries that information somehow, apparently encoded in its &quot;interface&quot; with the rest of the universe, the event horizon (EH).  This leads us to conclude that as the mass of a black hole increases, its EH increases in area at least enough to contain _all_ the information that the increase in mass contained (down to the last quantum number of the last electron), and that all information is somehow encoded in surfaces, not volumes.  I may be horribly mangling the science on this one, but look to the cover article in an issue of Scientific American from about 2 years ago, saying &quot;ARE YOU A HOLOGRAM? Quantum physics says the entire universe may be&quot;.  That article puts a &quot;pixel size&quot; on the universe.  A black hole would have to have an EH with at least that much area, and perhaps a photon cannot get more energetic than its E=mc^2 equivalent of that corresponding mass.  I&#039;d love to see responses at @$tr0_jp</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For those asking about the maximum energy of a photon and speculating about a pixel size to the universe, note that some current theories claim that information cannot be destroyed, even by a black hole (just scrambled quite effectively).  This in turn means that the black hole carries that information somehow, apparently encoded in its &#8220;interface&#8221; with the rest of the universe, the event horizon (EH).  This leads us to conclude that as the mass of a black hole increases, its EH increases in area at least enough to contain _all_ the information that the increase in mass contained (down to the last quantum number of the last electron), and that all information is somehow encoded in surfaces, not volumes.  I may be horribly mangling the science on this one, but look to the cover article in an issue of Scientific American from about 2 years ago, saying &#8220;ARE YOU A HOLOGRAM? Quantum physics says the entire universe may be&#8221;.  That article puts a &#8220;pixel size&#8221; on the universe.  A black hole would have to have an EH with at least that much area, and perhaps a photon cannot get more energetic than its E=mc^2 equivalent of that corresponding mass.  I&#8217;d love to see responses at @$tr0_jp</p>
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		<title>By: Calos R</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/02/07/gamma-rays-from-monster-stars/comment-page-1/#comment-29465</link>
		<dc:creator>Calos R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jun 2007 14:27:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here is a visual of what a this sun would look like against our own. I think I did it right, I&#039;m kind of tired so don&#039;t hate me if I screw up.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/facecrunch/536021503/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here is a visual of what a this sun would look like against our own. I think I did it right, I&#8217;m kind of tired so don&#8217;t hate me if I screw up.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/facecrunch/536021503/" rel="nofollow">http://www.flickr.com/photos/facecrunch/536021503/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Astrolink [Global Edition] &#187; Astronomers find most massive star ever discovered &#124; Latest astronomy news in 11 languages</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/02/07/gamma-rays-from-monster-stars/comment-page-1/#comment-29464</link>
		<dc:creator>Astrolink [Global Edition] &#187; Astronomers find most massive star ever discovered &#124; Latest astronomy news in 11 languages</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jun 2007 13:47:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] speculation. Are the stars blowing off a vast wind of material? Are they emitting gamma rays, like the scary massive binary in the cluster Westerlund 2? How long before these stars explode (and man, when they eventually explode, they&#8217;ll [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] speculation. Are the stars blowing off a vast wind of material? Are they emitting gamma rays, like the scary massive binary in the cluster Westerlund 2? How long before these stars explode (and man, when they eventually explode, they&#8217;ll [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Samba</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/02/07/gamma-rays-from-monster-stars/comment-page-1/#comment-29463</link>
		<dc:creator>Samba</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Feb 2007 12:40:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What are the size of the stars?</description>
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		<title>By: Alex Whiteside</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/02/07/gamma-rays-from-monster-stars/comment-page-1/#comment-29462</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex Whiteside</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Feb 2007 18:00:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>IIRC when a photon (or anything else you&#039;re using to make a measurement) reaches a high enough energy, it collapses the space around it into a black hole and it shuts itself out of the universe, meaning you lose whatever information it carried. Therefore there&#039;s a lower limit (the Planck length) to the wavelengths we can use to make measurements, and therefore a &quot;pixel size&quot; to the universe. Which is utterly cool in itself.

I&#039;m not sure how that works though, as I always thought photons were massless and here they seem to have a gravity associated with them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>IIRC when a photon (or anything else you&#8217;re using to make a measurement) reaches a high enough energy, it collapses the space around it into a black hole and it shuts itself out of the universe, meaning you lose whatever information it carried. Therefore there&#8217;s a lower limit (the Planck length) to the wavelengths we can use to make measurements, and therefore a &#8220;pixel size&#8221; to the universe. Which is utterly cool in itself.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure how that works though, as I always thought photons were massless and here they seem to have a gravity associated with them.</p>
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		<title>By: Gary Ansorge</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/02/07/gamma-rays-from-monster-stars/comment-page-1/#comment-29461</link>
		<dc:creator>Gary Ansorge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Feb 2007 16:18:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, Buzz, this does sound like a good question for the QBA. As I recall, the minimum size of a quantum black hole is dependent on the Plank length so the maximum frequency of light should be dependent upon the minimum Plank time?  That should set the energy min/maximums for quanta and black holes. But then, I&#039;m still just getting over being sick so maybe I&#039;m just having fever dreams,,,

Gary 7</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, Buzz, this does sound like a good question for the QBA. As I recall, the minimum size of a quantum black hole is dependent on the Plank length so the maximum frequency of light should be dependent upon the minimum Plank time?  That should set the energy min/maximums for quanta and black holes. But then, I&#8217;m still just getting over being sick so maybe I&#8217;m just having fever dreams,,,</p>
<p>Gary 7</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Rubinoff</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/02/07/gamma-rays-from-monster-stars/comment-page-1/#comment-29460</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Rubinoff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Feb 2007 13:08:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How far away is this star cluster? I didn&#039;t see distance mentioned in the paper you linked to.</description>
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		<title>By: Douglas Watts</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/02/07/gamma-rays-from-monster-stars/comment-page-1/#comment-29459</link>
		<dc:creator>Douglas Watts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Feb 2007 00:59:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent post, Phil. Very concise &amp; well-written.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent post, Phil. Very concise &amp; well-written.</p>
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		<title>By: Lunatik</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/02/07/gamma-rays-from-monster-stars/comment-page-1/#comment-29458</link>
		<dc:creator>Lunatik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Feb 2007 23:05:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>With such massive stars in orbit so close about each other.  What would happen if?...


   Age of both the stars are about same. (roughly)  One  of the pair, were to go over the tipping point of heavier elements to self annillation before the other did?  (Say 1-10 year timespan overall.)


   Could/would the affects of the change of magnetics, gravity, ect. cause a possible sympathtic/cascade type alteration of the second star, producing a greater yield/damage than the one star could by itself?


   Lunatik</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With such massive stars in orbit so close about each other.  What would happen if?&#8230;</p>
<p>   Age of both the stars are about same. (roughly)  One  of the pair, were to go over the tipping point of heavier elements to self annillation before the other did?  (Say 1-10 year timespan overall.)</p>
<p>   Could/would the affects of the change of magnetics, gravity, ect. cause a possible sympathtic/cascade type alteration of the second star, producing a greater yield/damage than the one star could by itself?</p>
<p>   Lunatik</p>
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		<title>By: wright</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/02/07/gamma-rays-from-monster-stars/comment-page-1/#comment-29457</link>
		<dc:creator>wright</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Feb 2007 22:55:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What a mind-blowing image: these two blazing giants, whirling around each other, their combined solar wind stressing and rippling the very interstellar medium...

A magnificent discovery. This is a great time to live in.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a mind-blowing image: these two blazing giants, whirling around each other, their combined solar wind stressing and rippling the very interstellar medium&#8230;</p>
<p>A magnificent discovery. This is a great time to live in.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Smith</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/02/07/gamma-rays-from-monster-stars/comment-page-1/#comment-29456</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Feb 2007 19:43:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Stars this massive generate a mighty wind, like a solar wind but vastly more powerful.&quot;

Which begs the question: Will this wind... be so mighty... as to lay low... the mountains... of the Earth?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Stars this massive generate a mighty wind, like a solar wind but vastly more powerful.&#8221;</p>
<p>Which begs the question: Will this wind&#8230; be so mighty&#8230; as to lay low&#8230; the mountains&#8230; of the Earth?</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/02/07/gamma-rays-from-monster-stars/comment-page-1/#comment-29455</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Feb 2007 17:39:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Man, humans are smart. I&#039;m so proud to be one of â€˜em.&quot;

Hear hear! I get so sick of claims that aliens built Stonehenge or the Pyramids or Machu Picchu or the Nazca lines or Random Impressive Object X.

People are smart. People have always been smart. Now imagine a smart person in a world without TV, the Internet, or brain-dead spoon-fed entertainment of any kind.

What would this person do? Create. Invent. Organize. Build. What? Anything. Everything. All kinds of amazing things.

This is my standard response to those who claim that only aliens could have built Random Impressive Object X: bollocks. People are smart.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Man, humans are smart. I&#8217;m so proud to be one of â€˜em.&#8221;</p>
<p>Hear hear! I get so sick of claims that aliens built Stonehenge or the Pyramids or Machu Picchu or the Nazca lines or Random Impressive Object X.</p>
<p>People are smart. People have always been smart. Now imagine a smart person in a world without TV, the Internet, or brain-dead spoon-fed entertainment of any kind.</p>
<p>What would this person do? Create. Invent. Organize. Build. What? Anything. Everything. All kinds of amazing things.</p>
<p>This is my standard response to those who claim that only aliens could have built Random Impressive Object X: bollocks. People are smart.</p>
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		<title>By: Blake Stacey</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/02/07/gamma-rays-from-monster-stars/comment-page-1/#comment-29454</link>
		<dc:creator>Blake Stacey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Feb 2007 16:58:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(second attempt at posting)

If we were directly receiving the stellar wind from these stars, we&#039;d be getting cosmic rays (high-energy charged particles).  The press release indicates that we&#039;re not getting these charged particles; instead, they&#039;re plowing into the interstellar gas medium, and the resulting shock-wave smashup is emitting gamma rays which we then see with GLAST.

&lt;blockquote&gt;Shocks and turbulent motion inside a bubble can efficiently transfer energy to cosmic rays, providing a plausible mechanism for particle acceleration. In size and location, the gamma-ray source resembles the so-called &quot;blister&quot; as reported by Whiteoak &amp; Uchida 1997, where the bubble opens up and the wind expands into the low-density ambient medium. Shock acceleration at the boundaries of the blister may enable particles to diffusively re-enter into the dense medium, thereby interacting in hadronic collisions and producing &#947;-rays. Similar scenarios were outlined over twenty years ago for supernova-driven expansion of particles into a low density medium. If one accepts such a scenario here, it might give the first observational support of energetic gamma-ray emission due to diffusive shock acceleration from supersonic winds in a wind-blown bubble created by WR 20a, or by the ensemble of hot and massive stars in Westerlund 2.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Rule of thumb #420:  nothing with the phrase &quot;hadronic collisions&quot; will be comprehensible to the lay reader.  Nevertheless, the gist seems to be that the collisions of particles which would otherwise be counted as cosmic rays produces electromagnetic radiation in the gamma-ray part of the spectrum.

If I&#039;m reading the story right, then &quot;cosmic rays&quot; in Prof. BA&#039;s third paragraph after the Spitzer picture should actually be &quot;gamma rays&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(second attempt at posting)</p>
<p>If we were directly receiving the stellar wind from these stars, we&#8217;d be getting cosmic rays (high-energy charged particles).  The press release indicates that we&#8217;re not getting these charged particles; instead, they&#8217;re plowing into the interstellar gas medium, and the resulting shock-wave smashup is emitting gamma rays which we then see with GLAST.</p>
<blockquote><p>Shocks and turbulent motion inside a bubble can efficiently transfer energy to cosmic rays, providing a plausible mechanism for particle acceleration. In size and location, the gamma-ray source resembles the so-called &#8220;blister&#8221; as reported by Whiteoak &amp; Uchida 1997, where the bubble opens up and the wind expands into the low-density ambient medium. Shock acceleration at the boundaries of the blister may enable particles to diffusively re-enter into the dense medium, thereby interacting in hadronic collisions and producing &gamma;-rays. Similar scenarios were outlined over twenty years ago for supernova-driven expansion of particles into a low density medium. If one accepts such a scenario here, it might give the first observational support of energetic gamma-ray emission due to diffusive shock acceleration from supersonic winds in a wind-blown bubble created by WR 20a, or by the ensemble of hot and massive stars in Westerlund 2.</p></blockquote>
<p>Rule of thumb #420:  nothing with the phrase &#8220;hadronic collisions&#8221; will be comprehensible to the lay reader.  Nevertheless, the gist seems to be that the collisions of particles which would otherwise be counted as cosmic rays produces electromagnetic radiation in the gamma-ray part of the spectrum.</p>
<p>If I&#8217;m reading the story right, then &#8220;cosmic rays&#8221; in Prof. BA&#8217;s third paragraph after the Spitzer picture should actually be &#8220;gamma rays&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Kaptain K</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kaptain K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Feb 2007 16:28:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Minor (very minor) nitpick. You refer to H.E.S.S as a series of cosmic ray telescopes. The word &quot;series&quot; connotates a line or progression. Cluster or group would give a much better mental picture.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Minor (very minor) nitpick. You refer to H.E.S.S as a series of cosmic ray telescopes. The word &#8220;series&#8221; connotates a line or progression. Cluster or group would give a much better mental picture.</p>
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		<title>By: jackd</title>
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		<dc:creator>jackd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Feb 2007 16:05:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can&#039;t the distance between the two stars be computed once you have the masses and orbital period?

I wonder how much this configuration has distorted the shapes of the stars?  Would they be egg-shaped?  And how did they get in there?  Could they have coalesced in such close proximity, or did they form farther apart?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can&#8217;t the distance between the two stars be computed once you have the masses and orbital period?</p>
<p>I wonder how much this configuration has distorted the shapes of the stars?  Would they be egg-shaped?  And how did they get in there?  Could they have coalesced in such close proximity, or did they form farther apart?</p>
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		<title>By: PAS</title>
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		<dc:creator>PAS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Feb 2007 15:35:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amazing!  Makes me think how unimaginative science fiction has been by comparison, when hard-working folks find things like this actually out there.

One point of confusion, though:  the press release speaks of gamma-rays, but you (Phil) expound on cosmic rays.  I thought they were different (EM vs. particle radiation, respectively).  Is the binary system emitting both, or is this an accidental substitution of terms?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amazing!  Makes me think how unimaginative science fiction has been by comparison, when hard-working folks find things like this actually out there.</p>
<p>One point of confusion, though:  the press release speaks of gamma-rays, but you (Phil) expound on cosmic rays.  I thought they were different (EM vs. particle radiation, respectively).  Is the binary system emitting both, or is this an accidental substitution of terms?</p>
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		<title>By: CelticBear&#8217;s Musings &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Stellar Dosey-Do</title>
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		<dc:creator>CelticBear&#8217;s Musings &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Stellar Dosey-Do</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Feb 2007 15:11:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Phil Plait of Bad Astronomy has a post today about a fascinating find regarding two gihugic , &#8220;nearly touching&#8221; stars throwing out Gamma rays like from a supernova. What boggles my mind is the fact these two stars, each over 80 times larger than our own sun, circle each other in nearly self-destructive velocities, in 1/20th the time it takes Mercury to orbit our sun. Two massive stars speeding through space 20 times faster than our closest planet circles our sun. Wow! Gamma rays from monster stars. Something about systems like this really gets me going. Two monster stars, totaling 160+ solar masses, tossing each other around their orbits twice a week (twice a week! Holy Haleakale!), blasting out thousands of times the Sunâ€™s energy, and essentially bellowing their stellar winds with such vicious strength that they are reshaping the space around them for thousands of cubic light years. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Phil Plait of Bad Astronomy has a post today about a fascinating find regarding two gihugic , &#8220;nearly touching&#8221; stars throwing out Gamma rays like from a supernova. What boggles my mind is the fact these two stars, each over 80 times larger than our own sun, circle each other in nearly self-destructive velocities, in 1/20th the time it takes Mercury to orbit our sun. Two massive stars speeding through space 20 times faster than our closest planet circles our sun. Wow! Gamma rays from monster stars. Something about systems like this really gets me going. Two monster stars, totaling 160+ solar masses, tossing each other around their orbits twice a week (twice a week! Holy Haleakale!), blasting out thousands of times the Sunâ€™s energy, and essentially bellowing their stellar winds with such vicious strength that they are reshaping the space around them for thousands of cubic light years. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Alex Whiteside</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex Whiteside</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Feb 2007 13:59:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Finding strange things and trying to figure out what they&#039;re up to. That&#039;s what we all got into science for, right? My final-year dissertation isn&#039;t about anything this cool (computational chemistry), but it&#039;s got exactly the same appeal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Finding strange things and trying to figure out what they&#8217;re up to. That&#8217;s what we all got into science for, right? My final-year dissertation isn&#8217;t about anything this cool (computational chemistry), but it&#8217;s got exactly the same appeal.</p>
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		<title>By: Ausrick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ausrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Feb 2007 13:57:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow! Two stars that are each about 80 solar masses an the orbit each other in just 4 days!!!! Twice a week!.   Thats Awesome. (as in awe-inspiring, not an over used slang term for plain-old-cool ;) )

I wonder about how many rsuns they are, how far apart they are, how fast they travel relative to each other, If they&#039;re blue or not (I&#039;m assuming they are), what the distortions in space-time near them looks like because of their gravity... and of course the destructive kid in me wants to know what it will be like when they finish their main sequence and start fusing heavier elements... and what will happen eventually when one or both of them die!  And I can try and imagine it from what I already know about stars but having two of these monsters right next to each other is just such an amazing situation that I want to hear all of you that know more about stars than me paint some pictures! :)

People are interested by things that are bigger and better!, (or in some fields, smaller and better!).  Give us extremes!  There are black holes, and then there are Super Massive Black Holes.  There are stars, and then there are Two Giant Monsters in a Tight Binary System!   HoooAhhhh!!!! :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow! Two stars that are each about 80 solar masses an the orbit each other in just 4 days!!!! Twice a week!.   Thats Awesome. (as in awe-inspiring, not an over used slang term for plain-old-cool <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' />  )</p>
<p>I wonder about how many rsuns they are, how far apart they are, how fast they travel relative to each other, If they&#8217;re blue or not (I&#8217;m assuming they are), what the distortions in space-time near them looks like because of their gravity&#8230; and of course the destructive kid in me wants to know what it will be like when they finish their main sequence and start fusing heavier elements&#8230; and what will happen eventually when one or both of them die!  And I can try and imagine it from what I already know about stars but having two of these monsters right next to each other is just such an amazing situation that I want to hear all of you that know more about stars than me paint some pictures! <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>People are interested by things that are bigger and better!, (or in some fields, smaller and better!).  Give us extremes!  There are black holes, and then there are Super Massive Black Holes.  There are stars, and then there are Two Giant Monsters in a Tight Binary System!   HoooAhhhh!!!! <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Cindy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cindy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Feb 2007 13:51:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Phil,

How soon can GLAST look at that system?  I imagine all the science time for the first round has been scheduled so will it have to wait until the second call for proposals?  Is there &quot;director&#039;s discretionary time&quot; like on HST or a &quot;pretty pictures&quot; run?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Phil,</p>
<p>How soon can GLAST look at that system?  I imagine all the science time for the first round has been scheduled so will it have to wait until the second call for proposals?  Is there &#8220;director&#8217;s discretionary time&#8221; like on HST or a &#8220;pretty pictures&#8221; run?</p>
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		<title>By: Foggy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Foggy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Feb 2007 13:26:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;It boggles me that such a thing can even exist, let alone be observed, understood, and even have its behavior predicted.&quot;

This is precisely what makes astrophysics (or cosmology) so interesting. The universe is so big, that anything which can possibly happen, is happening somewhere. All we have to do is keep looking. The universe is our laboratory!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;It boggles me that such a thing can even exist, let alone be observed, understood, and even have its behavior predicted.&#8221;</p>
<p>This is precisely what makes astrophysics (or cosmology) so interesting. The universe is so big, that anything which can possibly happen, is happening somewhere. All we have to do is keep looking. The universe is our laboratory!</p>
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		<title>By: Dunc</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dunc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Feb 2007 13:10:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Even we British use the short scale these days... Long scale has pretty much died out in English-speaking countries.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Even we British use the short scale these days&#8230; Long scale has pretty much died out in English-speaking countries.</p>
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		<title>By: Tukla in Iowa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tukla in Iowa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Feb 2007 12:37:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Americans use the short scale, so I&#039;m sure Phil means 10^12 and 10^15.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Americans use the short scale, so I&#8217;m sure Phil means 10^12 and 10^15.</p>
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