“So we have another representative in Congress ignorant of reality, he assumes God doesn’t exist. We are the product of chance acording to him. I can’t believe the stupidity! It doesn’t say much about the electorate that elected him. They are just as ignorant as he is.”

And when you group a whole load of non-believers together by calling them “stupid”, you have the gall to say that they are the ones being hostile and you just say that you’re “naive”? Well, I could probably agree with you on that one, fundamentalism can breed naivete of the worst kind. Along with the arrogance of thinking that your opinion is better than anyone else’s. If you didn’t think that your opinion was better than anyone else’s you could have explained yourself by answering my questions.

I’m sure you can say I’m arrogant, and heck, maybe you’re right – I’m also stubborn and opinionated when I want to be. I know I’m flawed, but I also know that Jesus ain’t telling me where to improve. If anyone it would be the FSM (praise the Lord, Ramen). But we’re not really getting anywhere here, and Phil is probably getting sick of having to moderate this old thread that everyone else has forgotten about while we’re still here bickering like a couple of daft gits. I’m sure that we’ll both have plenty of opportunities to express differing opinions in the future. See ya around.

I’ve neither “preached”, nor “whined”. I’ve expressed my opinion. You contradict yourself by calling my opinion, “preaching”. Further, my opinion, you call “whining”, when the hostility is an obvious fact. It is truly unfortunate that naivete is met with such defensive hostility. I’ll keep the hostility in mind should I express an opinion on any future BA blog.

Quote: “You’ve got Jesus by your side telling you you’re always right, right?” Wrong! Jesus is telling me where I need improvement, and you too.

Quote: “You are as human as the rest of us..” Pardon me while I enjoy a good belly laugh at that one. Gee, I didn’t know I was merely human! Job had said, “…All the days of my hard service I will wait, Till my change comes.” Job: 14:14. Whoops, another relevent quotation!!! I suspect this one is over your head!!! Oh, and by the way, I’m not preaching, I’m just quoting since you say I’m “just as human as the rest of us”.

You read a lot into my comments that really isn’t there. You and I will never agree!!! For sure.

I could say the same, however in the end, that’s just me and you stating our opinions.

“Thanks for confirming that Jesus was right”

For you maybe. And that’s fine. Like I said, not everyone here is interested. If we wanted to listen to preaching, we’d go to the appropriate forum. So if you’ve finished whining, perhaps you could answer my questions? I’ll remind you of them if you’ve forgotten.

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You said:

“So we have another representative in Congress ignorant of reality, he assumes God doesn’t exist. We are the product of chance acording to him. I can’t believe the stupidity!”

And the reason he’s not entitled to his religious opinions is… ? Also, other than stating he is a non-theist, has he made any indication that he wants to use his position to force his own personal philosophies onto anyone else? Then you said:

“It doesn’t say much about the electorate that elected him. They are just as ignorant as he is.”

About what exactly? And you are also just as ignorant to assume your opinions are better than his or anyone else’s. Why are they any better? Then you said:

“I’ve learned that expressing a pro-God view on these highly biased blogs is like placing raw flesh in a south American river containing Piranha fish. Immediately attacked.”

I’m sorry you feel that way, but I simply have a different point of view than you do and so therefore I asked these questions. So, nearly 3 weeks later and I still haven’t had any answers. All I’ve had is complaints about your “ill treatment”. But hey, you’ll survive. You’ve got Jesus by your side telling you you’re always right, right?. So, do you have an answer to back up your original opinions? Until then, remember that your opinions are just exactly that. Your opinions. They are no better than Stark’s or mine or anyone else’s. You are as human as the rest of us, whatever ‘reality’ you think you live in.

“You complain of my quoting literature, what is wrong with that?”

I wasn’t really complaining as such, just pointing out that it’s just pointless quoting non-relevant literature around. But If you think that makes you look smart, then you carry on.

“I don’t offer my personal beliefs based upon Jesus’ advice.”

Okay, but you sure like to preach the Bible alot. As if any here are really interested. Remember, this is a science forum.

“Your real desire is to “tear me to pieces”, as He said. I can see through you like I can see through a pane of glass.”

And now we’re back to the old martyr complex again. Round and round in circles we go. That’s all you seem to be here for, to complain about science you don’t like (we don’t care) and then complain that we are all hostile towards you for making flawed, bad points because of your lack of understanding of the scientific method or making absolutely no point at all. If you really want to make a point, you could argue your original case you made on this thread and answer my damn questions. Because so far on this thread you have only been blowing out hot air. If I am only here to “tear you to pieces” then, for God’s sake, stop making it so easy.

Well, I’m disappointed (that happens alot from fundies). And still quoting from literature I see. Doesn’t mean much if you can’t use real world arguments to back up your points. I’d just like to remind you that not everyone who comes here is an atheist – I myself have no particular problem with your religion, you can believe what you like. I DO have a problem if someone tries to push their particular religious opinions as being better than anyone elses. I’m sorry if you feel that all your posts get “trampled on” but that again sounds like another martyr comment to me. (yawn)

I’ll say again, if you talk nonsense you’ll get an appropriate response. If you feel your views are correct then feel free to back them up (or concede the point), you’ll get alot more respect that way. Otherwise, learn to stop whinging.

“You must unlearn what you have learned.” Yoda:E:5. Nice day you have.

Then could you explain this? :

“I’ve learned that expressing a pro-God view on these highly biased blogs is like placing raw flesh in a south American river containing Piranha fish. Immediately attacked.”

If you come onto a pro-science blog and start spouting cr*p, then what else do you expect? Ah yes, you can’t explain yourself:

“Any further discussion along these lines would be pointless. “East is east and west is west and never the twain will meet”.

Indeed. So, so far we have extablished that you came along here to troll just because you happen to disagree with Pete Stark’s philosophical views. So, if you want to prove you are not a troll, then perhaps you could answer my questions. I’ll remind you if you have forgotten them already.

(Ahem)

So, you disagree with Pete Stark’s religious opinions. Your entitled to your choice. And the reason he’s not entitled to his religious opinions is… ? Also, as Stark stated at any point he’s going to try and force his religious opinions on anyone else?

You also claimed that Stark and anyone who votes for him is ignorant just because your theological position differs to his. And you are also just as ignorant to assume your opinions are better than his or anyone else’s. Why are they any better?

So uh, are you just keep on whining and pretending to be smart just because you can quote literature, or are you going to answer my damn questions? If not, then get lost and stop trolling.

And whatever you decide to do – have a nice day.

TheBlackCat: Thanks for proving Jesus was right. Have a nice day.

Thank you for proving my point. You are a troll. Have a nice day.

That’s rich. Nice to know you can read a dictionary aswell as the Bible. So. You open minded enough to answer my questions?

I see, so not only are the atheists who visit here “stupid” and “out of touch with reality”, but all the people who visit this board are “dogs” and “swine”. You don’t see how that might just be “annoying” or “cause trouble”? If you honestly cannot see the results of insulting the entire blog and everyone who visits it then there is really nothing anyone here can do to get through to you and we are all wasting our time.

You are not required to tell us your beliefs. But unless you do no one will take you seriously. Make no mistake. What you are saying you believe will require that we abandon everything we know about ancient history and everything we know about biology and much of several other fields of science. If you will not tell us what your beliefs are or why you have them, do you really expect us to just casually toss away that much knowledge for no reason whatsoever? You have given us absolutely no reason to take you seriously, so why are you so surprised that we don’t? We are not going to abandon so much based solely on the fact that you tell us to. You have no authority on biology, history, or theology, and even if you did on all three unless you give us some reason to accept what you say other than cherry-picked biblical passages than we will not.

And the reason he’s not entitled to his religious opinions is… ?

“It doesn’t say much about the electorate that elected him. They are just as ignorant as he is.”

And you are also just as ignorant to assume your opinions are better than his or anyone else’s. Why are they any better?

“I’ve learned that expressing a pro-God view on these highly biased blogs is like placing raw flesh in a south American river containing Piranha fish. Immediately attacked.”

Ah, the obligatory martyr comments. I have no problem with your pro-God POV (I don’t consider myself athiest). But when you barge in screaming that people who disagree with your religious opinions must be stupid, then yes, you will be attacked. Now, if you lived in the days when the christians were fed to the lions, then maybe we’d cut you some slack…

It seems to me like you want us to attack you. Maybe it is so you can go tell people how biased and closed-minded your enemies are. Maybe it is so you can go criticize us for not having an open mind, for attacking someone just for having opposing views. Maybe it is so you can feel justified in your beliefs (if all those people who are “ignorant of reality” attack me I must be right). Of course you will conveniently forget about or fail to mention that this post was nothing more than a bunch of insults. You will ignore the fact that the had no substance to it. You are a troll, pure and simple. And trolls are attacked, and rightly so.

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DenverAstro:
I cant understand why it is such an awful thing to believe that the Big Bang was the result of God having one too many bean burritos. One gigantic gaseous outburst and this whole stinkin universe is on its way.

So, cosmologists should be studying the Great Big Fart of Space and Time, eh? Has a ring to it.

That’s right.

Luke 4:5 And the devil, taking him up into an high mountain, shewed unto him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time.

You can’t see all the kingdoms of the world from a mountain if the world is not flat, no matter how high it is. That is not “phenomenal language”, that is a direct and unambiguous historical account. Seeing the whole Earth from one high place or the whole Earth being able to see one high object is common in the bible but not possible in a nearly spherical Earth.

You are also skipping most of Isiah 40:22. The complete verse:

40:22 It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:

You can’t spread the heavens out like a curtain or tent over a spherical Earth. Only a flat Earth can have something like tent stretched over it. Whatever they meant by “circle”, the latter parts are only consistent with a flat Earth.