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	<title>Comments on: Location, location, location</title>
	<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/04/18/location-location-location/</link>
	<description>I am an astronomer, writer, and skeptic. I likes reality the way it is, and I aims to keep it that way. My real name is Phil Plait, and I run the Bad Astronomy blog.</description>
	<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 02:40:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Astrolink [Global Edition] &#187; Kicking up some dust &#124; Latest astronomy news in 11 languages</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/04/18/location-location-location/#comment-34778</link>
		<dc:creator>Astrolink [Global Edition] &#187; Kicking up some dust &#124; Latest astronomy news in 11 languages</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2007 17:42:43 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/04/18/location-location-location/#comment-34778</guid>
		<description>[...] validated many times, and astronomers now accept it as true (I&#8217;ve written about this here, here, and here, for example). In fact, we&#8217;ve gotten pretty good at finding young stars still [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] validated many times, and astronomers now accept it as true (I&#8217;ve written about this here, here, and here, for example). In fact, we&#8217;ve gotten pretty good at finding young stars still [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: TKStargazer</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/04/18/location-location-location/#comment-34777</link>
		<dc:creator>TKStargazer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Apr 2007 14:24:10 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/04/18/location-location-location/#comment-34777</guid>
		<description>With systems that already have life, the direct blast of a supernova is less likely to be troubling than the loss of the heliopause and possibly the Van Allen belts from the particle blast.

The heliopause is our first line of defense against high-energy cosmic rays.   The Van Allen belts would be our second line of defense.

Lose both, and huge numbers of mutations ensue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With systems that already have life, the direct blast of a supernova is less likely to be troubling than the loss of the heliopause and possibly the Van Allen belts from the particle blast.</p>
<p>The heliopause is our first line of defense against high-energy cosmic rays.   The Van Allen belts would be our second line of defense.</p>
<p>Lose both, and huge numbers of mutations ensue.</p>
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		<title>By: SCR</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/04/18/location-location-location/#comment-34776</link>
		<dc:creator>SCR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Apr 2007 05:38:14 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/04/18/location-location-location/#comment-34776</guid>
		<description>A great source -readable, informative, excellent - is James Kaler's book 'The Hundred Greatest Stars' (2002, Copernicus Books) I'd recomend that for anyone interested in this. Kaler has also writtenfor 'Astronomy' and other mags and has afew otherbooks out as well which are worth looking for.

From Kaler's entry on Eta Carinae, (Page 77, Kaler, 2002) the stars are an 80 solar mass (O-Btype hypergiant) and  a more evolved 60 solar mass (WR or B hypergiant star?) which lost alotofmass during itseruption in the 1840's. This is the star that stars in as famous HST image where we see two huge speckled pink lobes of gas and the thin disk with the superluminous stars themselves hidden at the centre..

Any planets born or passing near it is in serious peril! ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A great source -readable, informative, excellent - is James Kaler&#8217;s book &#8216;The Hundred Greatest Stars&#8217; (2002, Copernicus Books) I&#8217;d recomend that for anyone interested in this. Kaler has also writtenfor &#8216;Astronomy&#8217; and other mags and has afew otherbooks out as well which are worth looking for.</p>
<p>From Kaler&#8217;s entry on Eta Carinae, (Page 77, Kaler, 2002) the stars are an 80 solar mass (O-Btype hypergiant) and  a more evolved 60 solar mass (WR or B hypergiant star?) which lost alotofmass during itseruption in the 1840&#8217;s. This is the star that stars in as famous HST image where we see two huge speckled pink lobes of gas and the thin disk with the superluminous stars themselves hidden at the centre..</p>
<p>Any planets born or passing near it is in serious peril! <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: SCR</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/04/18/location-location-location/#comment-34775</link>
		<dc:creator>SCR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Apr 2007 05:28:46 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/04/18/location-location-location/#comment-34775</guid>
		<description>BTW. Eta Carinae is an LBV hypergiant, 7,000 light years away. Its a staggering 5 million times as bright as our Sun, highly unstable and erupted during the 1830s to become breifly the second brightest star in our skies before being hidden by the nebula it produced. Its brightness has shifted since as the nebula fades &#38;/or the star itself changes intrinisically or through interactions with its costar as its at least binary if not multiple in nature. It is probably the best candidate for a nearby supernova athough we still have much to learn about it.

Any and all the most supermassive stars - especially thehypergiantand LBV's noted above are highly unstable and are potential supernovas -or masive outbursts like Eta Car's huge 1800's event - almost anytime. They just don't last long at all!

Red supergiants like Betelguex, Antares and the largest red supergiant VV Cephei arealso prime candidates while Wolf-Rayet (WR or W type stars) are also expected toend as supernovae. The closest example of a red supergiant likely to explode soon-ish is proabably Betelguex at between 300-500 light years away. Which is spectacularly near but safely far away.

The ones we need to really worry about are the binary white dwarf generated type I supernova. They can creep up in you because they come from dim stars or rather dim pairings of stars where one is a small normal star the other a white dwarf taking material from its partner until it can take no more and detonates. One could be very close and we wouldn't necesarily know it's there until too late.

By the way BA there's grist for your book there! ;-)
(Feel free to quote &#38; attribute if you so wish!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BTW. Eta Carinae is an LBV hypergiant, 7,000 light years away. Its a staggering 5 million times as bright as our Sun, highly unstable and erupted during the 1830s to become breifly the second brightest star in our skies before being hidden by the nebula it produced. Its brightness has shifted since as the nebula fades &amp;/or the star itself changes intrinisically or through interactions with its costar as its at least binary if not multiple in nature. It is probably the best candidate for a nearby supernova athough we still have much to learn about it.</p>
<p>Any and all the most supermassive stars - especially thehypergiantand LBV&#8217;s noted above are highly unstable and are potential supernovas -or masive outbursts like Eta Car&#8217;s huge 1800&#8217;s event - almost anytime. They just don&#8217;t last long at all!</p>
<p>Red supergiants like Betelguex, Antares and the largest red supergiant VV Cephei arealso prime candidates while Wolf-Rayet (WR or W type stars) are also expected toend as supernovae. The closest example of a red supergiant likely to explode soon-ish is proabably Betelguex at between 300-500 light years away. Which is spectacularly near but safely far away.</p>
<p>The ones we need to really worry about are the binary white dwarf generated type I supernova. They can creep up in you because they come from dim stars or rather dim pairings of stars where one is a small normal star the other a white dwarf taking material from its partner until it can take no more and detonates. One could be very close and we wouldn&#8217;t necesarily know it&#8217;s there until too late.</p>
<p>By the way BA there&#8217;s grist for your book there! <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> (Feel free to quote &amp; attribute if you so wish!)</p>
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		<title>By: SCR</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/04/18/location-location-location/#comment-34774</link>
		<dc:creator>SCR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Apr 2007 05:08:47 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/04/18/location-location-location/#comment-34774</guid>
		<description>Upper limit to stars, as I understand it, is now about 150 solar masses. Such stars are type 03 "dwarfs" (main-sequnce H-burners) when born. These extremely rare, bright and short-lived stars then very rapidly evolve into hypergiants / Luminous Blue Variables (eg. Eta Carinae, P Cygni, the Pistol Star) before exploding as supernovae.

A star is essentially a stalemated tug-o-war between gravity pulling matter in and radiation blasting matter apart. The more massive the star the greater the radiation pressure and there is a point - the Eddington-Humphries Limit (I think so called?) where the radiation pressure is so fierce a star just can't hold together enough to even form and blows apart.
This limit today is around the 150 solar mass mark or so I gather as a first approximation.

However, in the distant past - because of the lack of heavy elements*, the very first generation of stars were supermassive "Population III" behemoths up to about 300 times more massive than our Sun. These quickly went  supernova (a slightly different way to later ones apparently) and lasted an astronomical eyeblink or less but their deaths seeded the cosmos with the first metallic elements whose presence then stopped later stars ever getting as big again. At least that's the theory based on our current understanding, no population III star has yet been observed directly..

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* 'Heavy elements' here meaning anything other than the very, very lightest ones - to astronomers "metals" mean anything above helium!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Upper limit to stars, as I understand it, is now about 150 solar masses. Such stars are type 03 &#8220;dwarfs&#8221; (main-sequnce H-burners) when born. These extremely rare, bright and short-lived stars then very rapidly evolve into hypergiants / Luminous Blue Variables (eg. Eta Carinae, P Cygni, the Pistol Star) before exploding as supernovae.</p>
<p>A star is essentially a stalemated tug-o-war between gravity pulling matter in and radiation blasting matter apart. The more massive the star the greater the radiation pressure and there is a point - the Eddington-Humphries Limit (I think so called?) where the radiation pressure is so fierce a star just can&#8217;t hold together enough to even form and blows apart.<br />
This limit today is around the 150 solar mass mark or so I gather as a first approximation.</p>
<p>However, in the distant past - because of the lack of heavy elements*, the very first generation of stars were supermassive &#8220;Population III&#8221; behemoths up to about 300 times more massive than our Sun. These quickly went  supernova (a slightly different way to later ones apparently) and lasted an astronomical eyeblink or less but their deaths seeded the cosmos with the first metallic elements whose presence then stopped later stars ever getting as big again. At least that&#8217;s the theory based on our current understanding, no population III star has yet been observed directly..</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8211;</p>
<p>* &#8216;Heavy elements&#8217; here meaning anything other than the very, very lightest ones - to astronomers &#8220;metals&#8221; mean anything above helium!</p>
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		<title>By: Jack Hagerty</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/04/18/location-location-location/#comment-34773</link>
		<dc:creator>Jack Hagerty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Apr 2007 00:44:54 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/04/18/location-location-location/#comment-34773</guid>
		<description>folcrom Says: "It isnt real close, but Eta Carinae could go bang any time soon."

Define "soon" :-)

- Jack</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>folcrom Says: &#8220;It isnt real close, but Eta Carinae could go bang any time soon.&#8221;</p>
<p>Define &#8220;soon&#8221; <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
- Jack</p>
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		<title>By: Elwood Herring</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/04/18/location-location-location/#comment-34772</link>
		<dc:creator>Elwood Herring</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Apr 2007 15:27:49 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/04/18/location-location-location/#comment-34772</guid>
		<description>Ah, Chip beat me to it I missed that one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, Chip beat me to it I missed that one.</p>
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