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	<title>Comments on: Calling all Ohio, Indiana, and Kentucky scientists!</title>
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	<description>I am an astronomer, writer, and skeptic. I likes reality the way it is, and I aims to keep it that way. My real name is Phil Plait, and I run the Bad Astronomy blog.</description>
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		<title>By: David Marinegold</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Marinegold</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Oct 2007 15:48:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;It is so obvious that the Universe was not designed. See, itâ€™s easy to make a blanket statement of opinion without any evidence&quot;  The
evidence is the universe before us.  Google Hugh Ross or reasons.org
to read articles on intelligent design. The earth&#039;s just right orbit, the location of the moon, location of the planets in the solar system, the
lies about fossil evidence.  I could go on and on with the evidence.
Get the DVD called &quot;The Privilaged Planet&quot;.

Someone above said that my comparing Jews with Christian scientist
was in bad taste.  If there is no God, all bets are off.  Killing isn&#039;t wrong.
It&#039;s just one bag of atoms destroying another bag of atoms. Morality
comes from God and that is another proof for God.  Evolution is a lie.
There are hundreds of articles and books disproving evolution.
Evolution is just the politically correct view of the &quot;scientific&quot; community.
Naturalism is a dogmatic and unchanging worldview that doesn&#039;t follow where the evidence leads.  The evidence leads to a creator.  I think it is
so silly when atheist try to feign contemp for someone.  Atheist have
to borrow what is called captial from the Christian worldview.  They
have no foundation for morality.  It is only the theistic worldview that
can provide a foundation for any type of morality.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;It is so obvious that the Universe was not designed. See, itâ€™s easy to make a blanket statement of opinion without any evidence&#8221;  The<br />
evidence is the universe before us.  Google Hugh Ross or reasons.org<br />
to read articles on intelligent design. The earth&#8217;s just right orbit, the location of the moon, location of the planets in the solar system, the<br />
lies about fossil evidence.  I could go on and on with the evidence.<br />
Get the DVD called &#8220;The Privilaged Planet&#8221;.</p>
<p>Someone above said that my comparing Jews with Christian scientist<br />
was in bad taste.  If there is no God, all bets are off.  Killing isn&#8217;t wrong.<br />
It&#8217;s just one bag of atoms destroying another bag of atoms. Morality<br />
comes from God and that is another proof for God.  Evolution is a lie.<br />
There are hundreds of articles and books disproving evolution.<br />
Evolution is just the politically correct view of the &#8220;scientific&#8221; community.<br />
Naturalism is a dogmatic and unchanging worldview that doesn&#8217;t follow where the evidence leads.  The evidence leads to a creator.  I think it is<br />
so silly when atheist try to feign contemp for someone.  Atheist have<br />
to borrow what is called captial from the Christian worldview.  They<br />
have no foundation for morality.  It is only the theistic worldview that<br />
can provide a foundation for any type of morality.</p>
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		<title>By: Moonage SpaceDream &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Roswell just won&#8217;t go away&#8230;&#8230;.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Moonage SpaceDream &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Roswell just won&#8217;t go away&#8230;&#8230;.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jul 2007 19:03:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] What&#8217;s really neat about the story too, is apparently the alien scraps were hauled off to Fort Knox. Now Fort Knox is also mentioned prominently at Al&#8217;s buddy Phil&#8217;s blog as well. It&#8217;s just a hop, skip, and a jump from ( drum roll please ), Kentucky&#8217;s latest landmark, the Creationist Museum. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] What&#8217;s really neat about the story too, is apparently the alien scraps were hauled off to Fort Knox. Now Fort Knox is also mentioned prominently at Al&#8217;s buddy Phil&#8217;s blog as well. It&#8217;s just a hop, skip, and a jump from ( drum roll please ), Kentucky&#8217;s latest landmark, the Creationist Museum. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Darth Robo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Darth Robo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jun 2007 11:50:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tav, I&#039;m afraid I have to address some flaws in your post.  First, creationism is not a theory, it is a literal interpretation of the creation story in the Bible.  It has nothing to do with science.  Science and religion are two totally seperate subjects.  Also, whether you are interested in it or not, evolution has plenty of evidence.  Yes it is a theory, but so is the theory of gravity, the germ theory of disease, theory of electricity, etc...

While you are correct that everyone has religious freedom, people are also free to point out flaws in anti-scientific notions such as creationism.  A belief in creationism is fine, but it should NOT be taught as a science, which is what creationists want to do.  I say again, science and religion are totally two seperate subjects.  I&#039;d also like to point out that evolution does NOT preclude the existence of God.  NOTHING can, hence, why it is not scientific.  There is nothing wrong with believing in God AND accepting evolution.  By the way, I&#039;m also agnostic.

Also, science is not a threat to democracy.  Science is simply the observation of what happens in nature.  It is true that science can be used to do bad things, (like nuclear weapons, for example) but that has no bearing on whether or not science is correct or not.  It is PEOPLE who use science badly to do bad things, not the science itself.

Your mentioning of radical Muslims is another flawed point.  There are also moderate Muslims out there who think that suicide bombers are nuts, just the same as we do.  There have also been radical christians who have used their religion as an excuse to kill, or force their opinions onto others.  That does not mean, however, that ALL christians are like that.

As for your comment accusing everyone who disagrees with you &quot;Communists&quot;, I find that pathetic and quite hypocritical, considering you were arguing for &#039;democracy&#039; and &#039;freedom of opinion&#039; just a short while before.

Oh, and your &quot;top ten&quot; lists are again, childish (and plain wrong).  Try a proper argument next time, rather than just a poor attempt to paint anyone you disagree with as &quot;bad guys&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tav, I&#8217;m afraid I have to address some flaws in your post.  First, creationism is not a theory, it is a literal interpretation of the creation story in the Bible.  It has nothing to do with science.  Science and religion are two totally seperate subjects.  Also, whether you are interested in it or not, evolution has plenty of evidence.  Yes it is a theory, but so is the theory of gravity, the germ theory of disease, theory of electricity, etc&#8230;</p>
<p>While you are correct that everyone has religious freedom, people are also free to point out flaws in anti-scientific notions such as creationism.  A belief in creationism is fine, but it should NOT be taught as a science, which is what creationists want to do.  I say again, science and religion are totally two seperate subjects.  I&#8217;d also like to point out that evolution does NOT preclude the existence of God.  NOTHING can, hence, why it is not scientific.  There is nothing wrong with believing in God AND accepting evolution.  By the way, I&#8217;m also agnostic.</p>
<p>Also, science is not a threat to democracy.  Science is simply the observation of what happens in nature.  It is true that science can be used to do bad things, (like nuclear weapons, for example) but that has no bearing on whether or not science is correct or not.  It is PEOPLE who use science badly to do bad things, not the science itself.</p>
<p>Your mentioning of radical Muslims is another flawed point.  There are also moderate Muslims out there who think that suicide bombers are nuts, just the same as we do.  There have also been radical christians who have used their religion as an excuse to kill, or force their opinions onto others.  That does not mean, however, that ALL christians are like that.</p>
<p>As for your comment accusing everyone who disagrees with you &#8220;Communists&#8221;, I find that pathetic and quite hypocritical, considering you were arguing for &#8216;democracy&#8217; and &#8216;freedom of opinion&#8217; just a short while before.</p>
<p>Oh, and your &#8220;top ten&#8221; lists are again, childish (and plain wrong).  Try a proper argument next time, rather than just a poor attempt to paint anyone you disagree with as &#8220;bad guys&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Tav</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tav</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jun 2007 22:26:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Disclaimer: Iâ€™m agnostic, and have little love for organized religion, but I like playing Devilâ€™s advocate better  :

Top ten things religion helped give us:

10. Charities
9. Clocks
8. Basic archetypes of morality
7. The modern university
6. Hospitals
5. Beer &amp; wine
4. Libraries
3. Architecture
2. Language preservation
1. Christmas

Bottom ten things science/technology helped give us:

10. Nuclear weapons/modern warfare
9. Pollution
8. Snacks with the words â€œanal leakageâ€ on the warning label
7. Cigarettes
6. Cell phones
5. Ubiquitous advertising
4. Windows
3. Cult of the celebrity
2. Reality TV
1. Big government

AMEN TO THAT !!!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Disclaimer: Iâ€™m agnostic, and have little love for organized religion, but I like playing Devilâ€™s advocate better  :</p>
<p>Top ten things religion helped give us:</p>
<p>10. Charities<br />
9. Clocks<br />
8. Basic archetypes of morality<br />
7. The modern university<br />
6. Hospitals<br />
5. Beer &amp; wine<br />
4. Libraries<br />
3. Architecture<br />
2. Language preservation<br />
1. Christmas</p>
<p>Bottom ten things science/technology helped give us:</p>
<p>10. Nuclear weapons/modern warfare<br />
9. Pollution<br />
8. Snacks with the words â€œanal leakageâ€ on the warning label<br />
7. Cigarettes<br />
6. Cell phones<br />
5. Ubiquitous advertising<br />
4. Windows<br />
3. Cult of the celebrity<br />
2. Reality TV<br />
1. Big government</p>
<p>AMEN TO THAT !!!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Tav</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tav</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jun 2007 22:20:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(Now, I donâ€™t like to bash religion, since I believe itâ€™s every individuals basic right to believe and do as they please provided it is not causing harm to another individuals basic rights, but the fact of the matter is that this group is touting that this is absolutely, without a doubt the way things happened â€” with little or no scientific reason. Furthermore, from the way I understand it, they completely discourage even investigating other possible theories, and offer â€œevidenceâ€ that their theory has to be correct. Of course, this could be local churches pushing to get others to see it their way, since I have yet to run into anyone of authority who runs or works at this â€œmuseumâ€.)

Well I was born in Kentucky and have lived here most of my life other than the time I was in the Army.
I do not push creationism and I also do not push Darwinâ€™s theory.
Both are just Theory and there is very little evidence to back up either.
But the fact is this. We have what is called Religious Freedom. The Museum is on private property and it is privately funded. If you people up north or anywhere else have a problem with creationism and want to stop it then keep it in your state. Leave my state alone.
For the person who made the statement that I quoted.
This is a two way street. Some people want Darwinâ€™s Theories to be the only thing taught and some want creationism to be the only thing taught.
What they do not get is that forcing their personal opinion on everyone is breaking down our freedom.
They will so sell out their own freedom of Choice in order of force what they believe on everyone else.
The creationist and the Darwin Theory people both do it. They are both just as guilty.
They are both just as screwed up and just as radical and they are both a threat to the very freedom that myself and so many others have fought for. They are a threat to Democracy. We are supposed to have freedom of choice.
If you do not like God don&#039;t go to church. If you do not like Darwin don&#039;t go to a liberal college.
If you do not like what is on the TV or the radio change the channel.
But for goodness sake stop trying to force your way of thinking on everyone else in the country.
You know it is not like this is a radical religion that teaches children to be suicide bombers and teaches the  murder of women and children if they do not follow the Radical Muslim way of thinking. Or any other religion which teaches harm to others.  This is America where we have freedom to be who we want and to live the way we want as long as it doesn&#039;t bring physical harm to others. You people who are so guilt ridden that you have to protest everything that is against your beliefs are going to be what kills freedom for everyone.
I see you all as nothing but a bunch of Communist jerks who think that the government can legislate happiness for you because you are too touchy. You think you can go through life without ever being offended or disappointed and you want government legislation on it. I say...Wake the hell up and get a freaking life and stop trying to force your hippy beliefs on all of the people in the country who are  not doing anything to hurt you other than disagreeing with your opinion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(Now, I donâ€™t like to bash religion, since I believe itâ€™s every individuals basic right to believe and do as they please provided it is not causing harm to another individuals basic rights, but the fact of the matter is that this group is touting that this is absolutely, without a doubt the way things happened â€” with little or no scientific reason. Furthermore, from the way I understand it, they completely discourage even investigating other possible theories, and offer â€œevidenceâ€ that their theory has to be correct. Of course, this could be local churches pushing to get others to see it their way, since I have yet to run into anyone of authority who runs or works at this â€œmuseumâ€.)</p>
<p>Well I was born in Kentucky and have lived here most of my life other than the time I was in the Army.<br />
I do not push creationism and I also do not push Darwinâ€™s theory.<br />
Both are just Theory and there is very little evidence to back up either.<br />
But the fact is this. We have what is called Religious Freedom. The Museum is on private property and it is privately funded. If you people up north or anywhere else have a problem with creationism and want to stop it then keep it in your state. Leave my state alone.<br />
For the person who made the statement that I quoted.<br />
This is a two way street. Some people want Darwinâ€™s Theories to be the only thing taught and some want creationism to be the only thing taught.<br />
What they do not get is that forcing their personal opinion on everyone is breaking down our freedom.<br />
They will so sell out their own freedom of Choice in order of force what they believe on everyone else.<br />
The creationist and the Darwin Theory people both do it. They are both just as guilty.<br />
They are both just as screwed up and just as radical and they are both a threat to the very freedom that myself and so many others have fought for. They are a threat to Democracy. We are supposed to have freedom of choice.<br />
If you do not like God don&#8217;t go to church. If you do not like Darwin don&#8217;t go to a liberal college.<br />
If you do not like what is on the TV or the radio change the channel.<br />
But for goodness sake stop trying to force your way of thinking on everyone else in the country.<br />
You know it is not like this is a radical religion that teaches children to be suicide bombers and teaches the  murder of women and children if they do not follow the Radical Muslim way of thinking. Or any other religion which teaches harm to others.  This is America where we have freedom to be who we want and to live the way we want as long as it doesn&#8217;t bring physical harm to others. You people who are so guilt ridden that you have to protest everything that is against your beliefs are going to be what kills freedom for everyone.<br />
I see you all as nothing but a bunch of Communist jerks who think that the government can legislate happiness for you because you are too touchy. You think you can go through life without ever being offended or disappointed and you want government legislation on it. I say&#8230;Wake the hell up and get a freaking life and stop trying to force your hippy beliefs on all of the people in the country who are  not doing anything to hurt you other than disagreeing with your opinion.</p>
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		<title>By: mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jun 2007 18:12:59 +0000</pubDate>
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Ive got a better idea Iam calling on all christans who beleave in evelotion like me to boycot this musem and to convince others to do so as well . It people like thes fundamentlist that make me sick . frist of all the creation story in the bible is not a sciencetific  theory nor should it be read as one . second what the fundamentlist dont whant you to know is that chapters 1and 2 of genises are in fact two diferent acount of the creation (read them and you will see ) futher to say that the earth cant be 4.5 billon years old is to ingnore the fact that God is enternal . I wish also to say that it is offencife this attuide that fundamentlists have that ther interpation of the Bible is the only one and all others are worng . You know Jesus use to yell at the fundamentlists of his own day the phariseses for thinking the same way. so boycot this musem if it dose not make money it will close.</description>
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Ive got a better idea Iam calling on all christans who beleave in evelotion like me to boycot this musem and to convince others to do so as well . It people like thes fundamentlist that make me sick . frist of all the creation story in the bible is not a sciencetific  theory nor should it be read as one . second what the fundamentlist dont whant you to know is that chapters 1and 2 of genises are in fact two diferent acount of the creation (read them and you will see ) futher to say that the earth cant be 4.5 billon years old is to ingnore the fact that God is enternal . I wish also to say that it is offencife this attuide that fundamentlists have that ther interpation of the Bible is the only one and all others are worng . You know Jesus use to yell at the fundamentlists of his own day the phariseses for thinking the same way. so boycot this musem if it dose not make money it will close.</p>
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		<title>By: CS</title>
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		<dc:creator>CS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jun 2007 08:39:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Religion and Science: Deity meets Data will be the topic of the next episode of the SETI Are We Alone radio program http://radio.seti.org/next-show.php
There is an interesting article on the Creationist Museum on http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2007/05/31/creation_museum/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Religion and Science: Deity meets Data will be the topic of the next episode of the SETI Are We Alone radio program <a href="http://radio.seti.org/next-show.php" rel="nofollow">http://radio.seti.org/next-show.php</a><br />
There is an interesting article on the Creationist Museum on <a href="http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2007/05/31/creation_museum/" rel="nofollow">http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2007/05/31/creation_museum/</a></p>
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