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	<description>I am an astronomer, writer, and skeptic. I likes reality the way it is, and I aims to keep it that way. My real name is Phil Plait, and I run the Bad Astronomy blog.</description>
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		<title>By: Larzluv</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/05/21/proof-of-belief/comment-page-1/#comment-36904</link>
		<dc:creator>Larzluv</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 May 2007 07:59:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gary:

Thanks for your reply; I&#039;ve always been curious...  {{== that showed up as three periods, right?  ;)

I&#039;d suspected there were settings differences somewhere between you, The Site In Question, and me that translated &quot;.&quot; into &quot;,&quot;... yeah, I asked myself why wouldn&#039;t the single comma/period get xlated...

Eh!  Idly curious and thought I&#039;d ask...!  :D

Cheers, and see ya &#039;round!
-Larz

(Sorry about my [partial ;)] double-post; seems the site interpreted my arrow above as an HTML tag [it was originally with less-than symbols ;)]...!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gary:</p>
<p>Thanks for your reply; I&#8217;ve always been curious&#8230;  {{== that showed up as three periods, right?  <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I&#8217;d suspected there were settings differences somewhere between you, The Site In Question, and me that translated &#8220;.&#8221; into &#8220;,&#8221;&#8230; yeah, I asked myself why wouldn&#8217;t the single comma/period get xlated&#8230;</p>
<p>Eh!  Idly curious and thought I&#8217;d ask&#8230;!  <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Cheers, and see ya &#8217;round!<br />
-Larz</p>
<p>(Sorry about my [partial <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> ] double-post; seems the site interpreted my arrow above as an HTML tag [it was originally with less-than symbols <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> ]&#8230;!)</p>
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		<title>By: Larzluv</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/05/21/proof-of-belief/comment-page-1/#comment-36903</link>
		<dc:creator>Larzluv</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 May 2007 07:57:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gary:

Thanks for your reply; I&#039;ve always been curious... (</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gary:</p>
<p>Thanks for your reply; I&#8217;ve always been curious&#8230; (</p>
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		<title>By: BH1602</title>
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		<dc:creator>BH1602</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 May 2007 16:21:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Belief has its place among rational people and within rational society. If we could prove the best candidate for a given position, we would forever rid ourselves of elections where the margin of victory is slimmer than the margin of error.

&quot;We have nothing to fear but fear itself,&quot; cannot be proved or disproved. &quot;Give me liberty or give me death,&quot; is not a hypothesis.

It was not meant to be an accurate appraisal of Britain&#039;s status in the war with Germany, but a defiance of it, when Churchill said, &quot;We shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender.&quot;

It was unscientific, but when we consider that Nazi &quot;science&quot; was working on the rationale and methodology for genocide, I&#039;m glad it bought us some time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Belief has its place among rational people and within rational society. If we could prove the best candidate for a given position, we would forever rid ourselves of elections where the margin of victory is slimmer than the margin of error.</p>
<p>&#8220;We have nothing to fear but fear itself,&#8221; cannot be proved or disproved. &#8220;Give me liberty or give me death,&#8221; is not a hypothesis.</p>
<p>It was not meant to be an accurate appraisal of Britain&#8217;s status in the war with Germany, but a defiance of it, when Churchill said, &#8220;We shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender.&#8221;</p>
<p>It was unscientific, but when we consider that Nazi &#8220;science&#8221; was working on the rationale and methodology for genocide, I&#8217;m glad it bought us some time.</p>
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		<title>By: Gary Ansorge</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gary Ansorge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 May 2007 14:57:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Larzluv:

Three commas merely indicate a &quot;pause for thought or comment,,,&quot;

It&#039;s a poetic device used when trying to communicate verbal emphasis in a written format. Then again, my reading glasses are sometimes so filthy I have trouble seeing what I&#039;ve just typed. That&#039;s a problem with far sightedness. We can&#039;t see the dirt on the lenses but it still interferes with visual clarity.

In other words, same keyboard layout, just a slightly different way of writing.

GAry 7</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Larzluv:</p>
<p>Three commas merely indicate a &#8220;pause for thought or comment,,,&#8221;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a poetic device used when trying to communicate verbal emphasis in a written format. Then again, my reading glasses are sometimes so filthy I have trouble seeing what I&#8217;ve just typed. That&#8217;s a problem with far sightedness. We can&#8217;t see the dirt on the lenses but it still interferes with visual clarity.</p>
<p>In other words, same keyboard layout, just a slightly different way of writing.</p>
<p>GAry 7</p>
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		<title>By: Larzluv</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/05/21/proof-of-belief/comment-page-1/#comment-36900</link>
		<dc:creator>Larzluv</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 May 2007 07:00:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gary Ansorge:

This is a lame question, and off-topic, but seeing the effect yet again in your post (I feel so lame and out-of-touch for asking; I&#039;m a computer person, for the sake of Pete!  :)):

When you have an ellipsis, I see three commas instead of periods.

Different keyboard layout?  Or?

Just curious.  Thanks for answering if you feel so inclined!!  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gary Ansorge:</p>
<p>This is a lame question, and off-topic, but seeing the effect yet again in your post (I feel so lame and out-of-touch for asking; I&#8217;m a computer person, for the sake of Pete!  <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> ):</p>
<p>When you have an ellipsis, I see three commas instead of periods.</p>
<p>Different keyboard layout?  Or?</p>
<p>Just curious.  Thanks for answering if you feel so inclined!!  <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Christian Burnham</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christian Burnham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 May 2007 06:42:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>People here might like to check out this hilarious essay by philosopher/logician/mathematician Raymond Smullyan:

&quot;An Epistemological Nightmare&quot;

http://www.mit.edu/people/dpolicar/writing/prose/text/epistemologicalNightmare.html

It should make you think twice about belief, logic and science.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People here might like to check out this hilarious essay by philosopher/logician/mathematician Raymond Smullyan:</p>
<p>&#8220;An Epistemological Nightmare&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.mit.edu/people/dpolicar/writing/prose/text/epistemologicalNightmare.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.mit.edu/people/dpolicar/writing/prose/text/epistemologicalNightmare.html</a></p>
<p>It should make you think twice about belief, logic and science.</p>
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		<title>By: John Krehbiel</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/05/21/proof-of-belief/comment-page-1/#comment-36898</link>
		<dc:creator>John Krehbiel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 May 2007 02:47:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I used to work part-time in a grocery store. When I mentioned my intrest in evolutionary theory, my customer said something like &quot;It takes a lot of faith to believe in evolution.&quot;

I said that the only thing I have to take on faith is that the laws of the universe are observable and don&#039;t change from one day to the next. The rest follows.

For me it&#039;s about reliability. If I were lucky (?) enough to be in orbit around Jupiter and was plotting a course home, I could choose between two (or many more) methods. If I use classical mathematics and a modern understandng of orbital mechanics, I get home. If I use &quot;Afrocentric&quot; mathematics and Feminist alternative &quot;ways of knowing,&quot; I get dead.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I used to work part-time in a grocery store. When I mentioned my intrest in evolutionary theory, my customer said something like &#8220;It takes a lot of faith to believe in evolution.&#8221;</p>
<p>I said that the only thing I have to take on faith is that the laws of the universe are observable and don&#8217;t change from one day to the next. The rest follows.</p>
<p>For me it&#8217;s about reliability. If I were lucky (?) enough to be in orbit around Jupiter and was plotting a course home, I could choose between two (or many more) methods. If I use classical mathematics and a modern understandng of orbital mechanics, I get home. If I use &#8220;Afrocentric&#8221; mathematics and Feminist alternative &#8220;ways of knowing,&#8221; I get dead.</p>
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