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	<title>Comments on: NASA Administrator Griffin: saying global warming is bad is &#8220;arrogant&#8221;</title>
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	<description>I am an astronomer, writer, and skeptic. I likes reality the way it is, and I aims to keep it that way. My real name is Phil Plait, and I run the Bad Astronomy blog.</description>
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		<title>By: NASA&#8217;s Griffin butting heads with Obama? &#124; Bad Astronomy &#124; Discover Magazine</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/06/01/nasa-administrator-griffin-saying-global-warming-is-bad-is-arrogant/comment-page-3/#comment-140266</link>
		<dc:creator>NASA&#8217;s Griffin butting heads with Obama? &#124; Bad Astronomy &#124; Discover Magazine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 18:15:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] must know his chance of staying on as NASA chief is very low; his ridiculous statements about global warming (and luke-warm apology later) pretty much guarantee that. I imagine Obama has quite a list of [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] must know his chance of staying on as NASA chief is very low; his ridiculous statements about global warming (and luke-warm apology later) pretty much guarantee that. I imagine Obama has quite a list of [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Whither NASA Admin? &#124; Bad Astronomy &#124; Discover Magazine</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/06/01/nasa-administrator-griffin-saying-global-warming-is-bad-is-arrogant/comment-page-3/#comment-134495</link>
		<dc:creator>Whither NASA Admin? &#124; Bad Astronomy &#124; Discover Magazine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2008 21:15:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] take on Griffin. Some of it is fact, other parts speculative. I know Griffin is conservative, and I know his stance on global warming is probably significantly different than mine &#8212; but I wouldn&#8217;t necessarily yell &quot;conspiracy&quot; without lots of evidence. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] take on Griffin. Some of it is fact, other parts speculative. I know Griffin is conservative, and I know his stance on global warming is probably significantly different than mine &#8212; but I wouldn&#8217;t necessarily yell &quot;conspiracy&quot; without lots of evidence. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Max</title>
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		<dc:creator>Max</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Aug 2007 18:50:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Global warming will have absolutely no impact on our civilization, because the politicians and environmental crowd will destroy our freedoms and our civilization long before Mother Earth could even consider it. Where is Rome? Where is Greece? Where are the ancient Americans, Egyptians, Babylonians? America will be extinct soon enough and then we can ask the spirits of civilizations past what SUV they were driving that destroyed them. Loss of freedom destroys civilization. Mother Earth just watches and laughs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Global warming will have absolutely no impact on our civilization, because the politicians and environmental crowd will destroy our freedoms and our civilization long before Mother Earth could even consider it. Where is Rome? Where is Greece? Where are the ancient Americans, Egyptians, Babylonians? America will be extinct soon enough and then we can ask the spirits of civilizations past what SUV they were driving that destroyed them. Loss of freedom destroys civilization. Mother Earth just watches and laughs.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob (Aus)</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/06/01/nasa-administrator-griffin-saying-global-warming-is-bad-is-arrogant/comment-page-3/#comment-37459</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob (Aus)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jul 2007 02:19:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is life so go and have a ball. Because the world don&#039;t move to the beat of just one drum. What might be right for you may not be right for some. You take the good, you take the bad, you take them both and there you have ... my opening statement. Sit, Ubu, sit. Good dog.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is life so go and have a ball. Because the world don&#8217;t move to the beat of just one drum. What might be right for you may not be right for some. You take the good, you take the bad, you take them both and there you have &#8230; my opening statement. Sit, Ubu, sit. Good dog.</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jun 2007 04:28:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;how arrogant is this statement:
â€˜Clearly, being the people currently alive we have the responsibility of acting and deciding which climate is idealâ€™&quot;

Arrogant relative to what? The people not yet borned?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;how arrogant is this statement:<br />
â€˜Clearly, being the people currently alive we have the responsibility of acting and deciding which climate is idealâ€™&#8221;</p>
<p>Arrogant relative to what? The people not yet borned?</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jun 2007 09:52:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dan,
(personally Im not a republican,american or even pro oil).

how arrogant is this statement:
&#039;Clearly, being the people currently alive we have the responsibility of acting and deciding which climate is ideal&#039;

Hello?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dan,<br />
(personally Im not a republican,american or even pro oil).</p>
<p>how arrogant is this statement:<br />
&#8216;Clearly, being the people currently alive we have the responsibility of acting and deciding which climate is ideal&#8217;</p>
<p>Hello?</p>
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		<title>By: dan</title>
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		<dc:creator>dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jun 2007 09:03:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First of all, apologies for the long post.

Having read both the pro and the (largely oil sponsored) con science, to the extent that a lay-man can, I think the evidence is pretty incontriversal that there is global warming, and that it will be wrose than what has currently been predicted. The scientific consensus is staggering, and those who do not accept it need to learn more about how science works (as opposed to partisan politics).

It is true that people have been wrong about disasters in the past. They have also been right about disasters, and the global warming &quot;theory&quot; has an enormous amount of empirical evidence.

For those of you who somehow believe that there is no global warming because some scientist somewhere once thought we might be entering an ice age, I can provide an equally logical (but more complelling) counter-example.
1. The Bust administration refuses to accept global warming as a real threat worthy of action.
2. Virtually every claim the Bush administration has made has been false (WMDs, Iraq will be a cake-walk, there is no need for warrants to wire-tap the American public, etc.).
3. Therefore, we can conclude that there is global warming and it is a serious threat, as Bush acts like it isn&#039;t.

Either way, it is ridiculous to expect everyone to accept the truth before proceeding to do something about it. For example, Einstein refused to accept quantum mechanics, that didn&#039;t mean we had to wait to convince him... The global warming science is established, the so-called &quot;debate&quot; is largely a creation of the oil industry and other special interests who realize action will hurt their profits and who are therefore seeking to delay it with junk-science, political donations and empty argumentation. It&#039;s the same tactic the tobacco industry used successfully for thrity years, but we can&#039;t afford to spare thirty years on this issue.

As for Griffin&#039;s comments, they were both irresponsible - he can have personal opinions all he wants, but he was speaking as the head of NASA - and ridiculous. Of course, man has the power to alter the environment, that&#039;s the whole problem: man-made global warming.  And of course we need to stop it. All of our infrastructure, and the Earth&#039;s bio-systems, are adapted for the current climate. The cost of trying to re-adapt,  of moving our cities, of hoping the tundra and deserts can grow food for us (they can&#039;t, the soil is wrong) is in-calculable, and far out-weighs the cost of changing our CO2 output. Millions will die if we do nothing. Moreover, huge numbers of species will not be able to adapt in time and will be lost. This will also inflict further damage on us as food supplies dwindle. Even species that could in theory adapt, will often be prevented from doing so by man-made interference - ie forests can gradually move North in theory to compensate for higher temperatures, but roads, cities, suburban sprawl, etc. will prevent many from expanding in that direction.

Clearly, being the people currently alive we have the responsibility of acting and deciding which climate is ideal, and clearly the ideal climate is the one that we and the rest of the Earth are currently adapted to. Arguments to the contrary are so clearly thoughtless and illogical that they can only be explained as ruses by those seeking to delay action on global warming.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First of all, apologies for the long post.</p>
<p>Having read both the pro and the (largely oil sponsored) con science, to the extent that a lay-man can, I think the evidence is pretty incontriversal that there is global warming, and that it will be wrose than what has currently been predicted. The scientific consensus is staggering, and those who do not accept it need to learn more about how science works (as opposed to partisan politics).</p>
<p>It is true that people have been wrong about disasters in the past. They have also been right about disasters, and the global warming &#8220;theory&#8221; has an enormous amount of empirical evidence.</p>
<p>For those of you who somehow believe that there is no global warming because some scientist somewhere once thought we might be entering an ice age, I can provide an equally logical (but more complelling) counter-example.<br />
1. The Bust administration refuses to accept global warming as a real threat worthy of action.<br />
2. Virtually every claim the Bush administration has made has been false (WMDs, Iraq will be a cake-walk, there is no need for warrants to wire-tap the American public, etc.).<br />
3. Therefore, we can conclude that there is global warming and it is a serious threat, as Bush acts like it isn&#8217;t.</p>
<p>Either way, it is ridiculous to expect everyone to accept the truth before proceeding to do something about it. For example, Einstein refused to accept quantum mechanics, that didn&#8217;t mean we had to wait to convince him&#8230; The global warming science is established, the so-called &#8220;debate&#8221; is largely a creation of the oil industry and other special interests who realize action will hurt their profits and who are therefore seeking to delay it with junk-science, political donations and empty argumentation. It&#8217;s the same tactic the tobacco industry used successfully for thrity years, but we can&#8217;t afford to spare thirty years on this issue.</p>
<p>As for Griffin&#8217;s comments, they were both irresponsible &#8211; he can have personal opinions all he wants, but he was speaking as the head of NASA &#8211; and ridiculous. Of course, man has the power to alter the environment, that&#8217;s the whole problem: man-made global warming.  And of course we need to stop it. All of our infrastructure, and the Earth&#8217;s bio-systems, are adapted for the current climate. The cost of trying to re-adapt,  of moving our cities, of hoping the tundra and deserts can grow food for us (they can&#8217;t, the soil is wrong) is in-calculable, and far out-weighs the cost of changing our CO2 output. Millions will die if we do nothing. Moreover, huge numbers of species will not be able to adapt in time and will be lost. This will also inflict further damage on us as food supplies dwindle. Even species that could in theory adapt, will often be prevented from doing so by man-made interference &#8211; ie forests can gradually move North in theory to compensate for higher temperatures, but roads, cities, suburban sprawl, etc. will prevent many from expanding in that direction.</p>
<p>Clearly, being the people currently alive we have the responsibility of acting and deciding which climate is ideal, and clearly the ideal climate is the one that we and the rest of the Earth are currently adapted to. Arguments to the contrary are so clearly thoughtless and illogical that they can only be explained as ruses by those seeking to delay action on global warming.</p>
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