Comments on: Lisa Nowak admitted into Baseball Hall of Fame http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/06/02/lisa-nowak-admitted-into-baseball-hall-of-fame/ I am an astronomer, writer, and skeptic. I likes reality the way it is, and I aims to keep it that way. My real name is Phil Plait, and I run the Bad Astronomy blog. Sun, 05 Jul 2009 08:11:27 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3.1 By: TeSSaD http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/06/02/lisa-nowak-admitted-into-baseball-hall-of-fame/#comment-37536 TeSSaD Mon, 09 Jun 2008 12:34:16 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/06/02/lisa-nowak-admitted-into-baseball-hall-of-fame/#comment-37536 If I remember correctly, Dian Hardison pled guilty to her crime, sending 'hoax-anthrax' to the Cocoa Water Co... and this was well after she was fired from NASA. Lots of engineers complained about bad management but only one thought the remedy included to scaring hapless water company mailroom workers in the wake of 9/11, but at least she wasn't wearing a diaper at the time. The ocean has enough worthless trash, I think. If I remember correctly, Dian Hardison pled guilty to her crime, sending ‘hoax-anthrax’ to the Cocoa Water Co… and this was well after she was fired from NASA. Lots of engineers complained about bad management but only one thought the remedy included to scaring hapless water company mailroom workers in the wake of 9/11, but at least she wasn’t wearing a diaper at the time.

The ocean has enough worthless trash, I think.

]]> By: mjanovec http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/06/02/lisa-nowak-admitted-into-baseball-hall-of-fame/#comment-37535 mjanovec Sat, 09 Jun 2007 01:06:27 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/06/02/lisa-nowak-admitted-into-baseball-hall-of-fame/#comment-37535 I just want to clarify that Nowak did not take "a little cross-country jaunt to, um, have a chat with a fellow astronaut." It should be noted that Colleen Shipman was NOT an astronaut. I've seen this error repeated a few other places. I just want to clarify that Nowak did not take “a little cross-country jaunt to, um, have a chat with a fellow astronaut.” It should be noted that Colleen Shipman was NOT an astronaut. I’ve seen this error repeated a few other places.

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After all, I received it BEFORE I was fired for whistle-blowing, and falsely convicted of being a terrorist in order to destroy my credibility, so obviously I wasn’t kissing enough asses.

]]> By: Irishman http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/06/02/lisa-nowak-admitted-into-baseball-hall-of-fame/#comment-37533 Irishman Wed, 06 Jun 2007 17:30:07 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/06/02/lisa-nowak-admitted-into-baseball-hall-of-fame/#comment-37533 Again, what do you expect them to say? "NASA fired Nowak after she was arrested for assault"? That's not going to happen. It's not NASA's place to say that. Again, what do you expect them to say? “NASA fired Nowak after she was arrested for assault”? That’s not going to happen. It’s not NASA’s place to say that.

]]> By: Kelvin http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/06/02/lisa-nowak-admitted-into-baseball-hall-of-fame/#comment-37532 Kelvin Tue, 05 Jun 2007 21:26:39 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/06/02/lisa-nowak-admitted-into-baseball-hall-of-fame/#comment-37532 Kind of foolish to hide a negative that has already received world-wide attention, including the fact that part of her stalking was captured on videotape at the airport. NASA isn't your typical business. It is supposed to answer to the people it is supposed to be working for - us. Kind of foolish to hide a negative that has already received
world-wide attention, including the fact that part of her stalking
was captured on videotape at the airport.

NASA isn’t your typical business. It is supposed to answer
to the people it is supposed to be working for - us.

]]> By: Irishman http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/06/02/lisa-nowak-admitted-into-baseball-hall-of-fame/#comment-37531 Irishman Tue, 05 Jun 2007 21:21:32 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/06/02/lisa-nowak-admitted-into-baseball-hall-of-fame/#comment-37531 Tom said: > Wasn’t particularly railing against NASA, just large organizations in general. Awards within large organizations can seem a bit…inconsistent from the outside because there are other factors in play other than just the accomplishment. I have no background information on John Mather’s story at NASA. So why did you use that as an example of your point? Kelvin said: > NASA’s ability to hide certain facts is both amazing and amazingly lame. Look at what is said in Nowak’s NASA bio about what has happened to her since last February: >“Nowak returned to navy duty effective March 8, 2007.” >That is it. I did not need or want the sordid details, but this is an affront to anyone who actually pays attention to the news. So what would you have them say? "Nowak was kicked out of NASA after criminal charges were filed against her for stalking and assaulting the new lover of the man who dumped her."? I don't see how this is an affront at all. This is the conservative business approach to dealing with staffing issues. Highlight the positives, be as circumspect as possible on the negatives. Tom said:
> Wasn’t particularly railing against NASA, just large organizations in general. Awards within large organizations can seem a bit…inconsistent from the outside because there are other factors in play other than just the accomplishment. I have no background information on John Mather’s story at NASA.

So why did you use that as an example of your point?

Kelvin said:
> NASA’s ability to hide certain facts is both amazing and amazingly
lame. Look at what is said in Nowak’s NASA bio about what has
happened to her since last February:

>“Nowak returned to navy duty effective March 8, 2007.”

>That is it. I did not need or want the sordid details, but this is
an affront to anyone who actually pays attention to the news.

So what would you have them say? “Nowak was kicked out of NASA after criminal charges were filed against her for stalking and assaulting the new lover of the man who dumped her.”? I don’t see how this is an affront at all. This is the conservative business approach to dealing with staffing issues. Highlight the positives, be as circumspect as possible on the negatives.

]]> By: icemith http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/06/02/lisa-nowak-admitted-into-baseball-hall-of-fame/#comment-37464 icemith Tue, 05 Jun 2007 18:39:21 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/06/02/lisa-nowak-admitted-into-baseball-hall-of-fame/#comment-37464 Mark, I wasn't accusing you of being vindictive, but a couple above and in other posts have been vindictive. I essentially agree with you, that there are many other ocupations where there is certain danger. Truck driving is one of them, especially when one has to share the road (I spelt it correctly this time). But as News bulletins have to have a story that catches the headlines, and the ratings, the Space Shuttle and the Space Station still command attention. Coincidently, here in Australia, our News headlines with a particularly nasty level crossing crash involving a semi-trailer and a rural commuter train. There were ten killed and dozens injured after the whole side of at least one carriage was ripped open, giving those in the window seats little chance. The truck driver was seriously injured, so, yes they do have a hazzardous job, but at least are in a better protected vehicle than the train carriage, or for that matter, a family car sharing the highway with a quite large truck. The Shuttle is a little more than a truck, delivering material, provisions and personnel to the ever growing Space Station, but it takes highly trained engineers to get that bus into orbit! And more than a few other specialists to ensure it does it safely. But in most gainful employment, there is some risk, some more than others, and the employee accepts that risk. Sometimes it is recognised in pay and/or accolades. Ivan. Mark,

I wasn’t accusing you of being vindictive, but a couple above and in other posts have been vindictive. I essentially agree with you, that there are many other ocupations where there is certain danger. Truck driving is one of them, especially when one has to share the road (I spelt it correctly this time). But as News bulletins have to have a story that catches the headlines, and the ratings, the Space Shuttle and the Space Station still command attention.

Coincidently, here in Australia, our News headlines with a particularly nasty level crossing crash involving a semi-trailer and a rural commuter train. There were ten killed and dozens injured after the whole side of at least one carriage was ripped open, giving those in the window seats little chance. The truck driver was seriously injured, so, yes they do have a hazzardous job, but at least are in a better protected vehicle than the train carriage, or for that matter, a family car sharing the highway with a quite large truck.

The Shuttle is a little more than a truck, delivering material, provisions and personnel to the ever growing Space Station, but it takes highly trained engineers to get that bus into orbit! And more than a few other specialists to ensure it does it safely. But in most gainful employment, there is some risk, some more than others, and the employee accepts that risk. Sometimes it is recognised in pay and/or accolades.

Ivan.

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