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	<description>I am an astronomer, writer, and skeptic. I likes reality the way it is, and I aims to keep it that way. My real name is Phil Plait, and I run the Bad Astronomy blog.</description>
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		<title>By: SCR</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/06/08/creation-museum-begats-controversy/comment-page-1/#comment-37952</link>
		<dc:creator>SCR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jul 2007 09:04:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>... Althopugh come tothink of it thatcouldbe quite funny - imagine the BA, the Squid and a party of biology professors taking a casual stroll around  -guiding tourists and visitors by pointing out all the erros of scence, fact &amp; common sense!

I wonder how long a skeptical scientist would last if they went in there and asked a few reasonable questions like :

1) So those teeth were designed for eating what? and
2) How much animal droppings did build up on theArk?
 &amp;
3) How long did it take Noah tocatch every species of Australian, Indonesian, tropical ranforest yet undiscoveredetc ..animal...? (&amp; how come THAT really epic story didn&#039;t maeit into the Bible..)

Anyone livng near there (I&#039;m an Aussie resident - sadly ths made it as anews story eevn here in Oz) wish totry that practical experemnt in the toleration of Fundamentalist Christians for giving equal tme to sanity? .. ;-)

As for the whole &quot;sexual issues&quot; issue  - Yep - the Puritans have a lot to be blamed for .. The Janet Jackson micro-second 1/4 breast pop-out  furore must be the most overhyped mountan-from-molehill (sorry Janet -not implying anything there!) beat-up issue in human history ... Well except maybe for the War of Jenkin&#039;s Ear!

Hmn .. Maybe we should add &quot;So why did God create us with genitalia and is S/He/It circumcised Her/ His /Itself btw&quot; to the list ... ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230; Althopugh come tothink of it thatcouldbe quite funny &#8211; imagine the BA, the Squid and a party of biology professors taking a casual stroll around  -guiding tourists and visitors by pointing out all the erros of scence, fact &amp; common sense!</p>
<p>I wonder how long a skeptical scientist would last if they went in there and asked a few reasonable questions like :</p>
<p>1) So those teeth were designed for eating what? and<br />
2) How much animal droppings did build up on theArk?<br />
 &amp;<br />
3) How long did it take Noah tocatch every species of Australian, Indonesian, tropical ranforest yet undiscoveredetc ..animal&#8230;? (&amp; how come THAT really epic story didn&#8217;t maeit into the Bible..)</p>
<p>Anyone livng near there (I&#8217;m an Aussie resident &#8211; sadly ths made it as anews story eevn here in Oz) wish totry that practical experemnt in the toleration of Fundamentalist Christians for giving equal tme to sanity? .. <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>As for the whole &#8220;sexual issues&#8221; issue  &#8211; Yep &#8211; the Puritans have a lot to be blamed for .. The Janet Jackson micro-second 1/4 breast pop-out  furore must be the most overhyped mountan-from-molehill (sorry Janet -not implying anything there!) beat-up issue in human history &#8230; Well except maybe for the War of Jenkin&#8217;s Ear!</p>
<p>Hmn .. Maybe we should add &#8220;So why did God create us with genitalia and is S/He/It circumcised Her/ His /Itself btw&#8221; to the list &#8230; <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: SCR</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/06/08/creation-museum-begats-controversy/comment-page-1/#comment-37951</link>
		<dc:creator>SCR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jul 2007 08:46:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So Phil, take it you&#039;re not planning to visit the place yourself? ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So Phil, take it you&#8217;re not planning to visit the place yourself? <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Guido</title>
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		<dc:creator>Guido</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jun 2007 09:58:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I totally agree with Murff. We can perfectly debunk their false ideas without using their own arguments. Yes, because making investigations on other people&#039;s life in order to find scandals is just the way bigots discredit people.

Ciao,

Guido</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I totally agree with Murff. We can perfectly debunk their false ideas without using their own arguments. Yes, because making investigations on other people&#8217;s life in order to find scandals is just the way bigots discredit people.</p>
<p>Ciao,</p>
<p>Guido</p>
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		<title>By: Skepterist</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/06/08/creation-museum-begats-controversy/comment-page-1/#comment-37949</link>
		<dc:creator>Skepterist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jun 2007 05:15:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brother Tadhg, you answer some of your own questions in your post.  These are just a few of the reasons that I am fussy about Creationists:

1) You say that we are in a &quot;democratic, freedom loving society,&quot; yet how many new laws are proposed or passed every year by &quot;Right-Wing Christian Conservative&quot; elected officials that are obviously designed to LIMIT our rights and freedoms? Laws against gays (laws defining marriage as only between a man and a woman) for example. Or laws deciding what can and cannot be shown on public television? I mean, its OK to show people shooting and killing each other on TV, but we have to throw a fit if someone shows a boob? My big concern is that these elected officials of our democratic society are passing laws (such as teaching &quot;intelligent design&quot; in our schools) that are clearly and wholeheartedly religious in nature, thereby forcing religion upon the people, which the Constitution of the United States expressly forbids.

2) Your comment regarding knowledge of science vs. knowledge of the bible works both ways. The whole purpose of this Creation Museum is to demolish the scientific facts (obtained by following the basic scientific principles of hypothesis and observation) that don&#039;t agree with words in a book.

3) The issue of Literal Creationism has been brought up on this board many times. Its okay to say we are trying to &quot;understand Genesis&quot;. I don&#039;t have a problem with studying a text in order to gain a better understanding of the subject matter. But I do have a problem with the literalists that insist the text of the bible is flawless, and that the hundreds of thousands (if not millions) of papers, journals, and books and the scientists that study geology, biology, astronomy, etc. who write those books are wrong.

4) The real battle here (if you can even call it a battle) is simply constant vigilance against misinformation. If someone you know were to tell you that the earth is flat, that the moon is made of green cheese, or that the sun is just a big GE lightbulb that floats across the sky, would you correct them? If we are all entitled to our belief, then why would the Creationists care if the scientists believed in evolution? (My answer is because the Creationists get their money from their followers, and scientific fact is a threat to their profits. But that&#039;s just my opinion.)

I have no problem with anyone else&#039;s religion, as long as they practice it in the privacy of their own home. ;)

B-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brother Tadhg, you answer some of your own questions in your post.  These are just a few of the reasons that I am fussy about Creationists:</p>
<p>1) You say that we are in a &#8220;democratic, freedom loving society,&#8221; yet how many new laws are proposed or passed every year by &#8220;Right-Wing Christian Conservative&#8221; elected officials that are obviously designed to LIMIT our rights and freedoms? Laws against gays (laws defining marriage as only between a man and a woman) for example. Or laws deciding what can and cannot be shown on public television? I mean, its OK to show people shooting and killing each other on TV, but we have to throw a fit if someone shows a boob? My big concern is that these elected officials of our democratic society are passing laws (such as teaching &#8220;intelligent design&#8221; in our schools) that are clearly and wholeheartedly religious in nature, thereby forcing religion upon the people, which the Constitution of the United States expressly forbids.</p>
<p>2) Your comment regarding knowledge of science vs. knowledge of the bible works both ways. The whole purpose of this Creation Museum is to demolish the scientific facts (obtained by following the basic scientific principles of hypothesis and observation) that don&#8217;t agree with words in a book.</p>
<p>3) The issue of Literal Creationism has been brought up on this board many times. Its okay to say we are trying to &#8220;understand Genesis&#8221;. I don&#8217;t have a problem with studying a text in order to gain a better understanding of the subject matter. But I do have a problem with the literalists that insist the text of the bible is flawless, and that the hundreds of thousands (if not millions) of papers, journals, and books and the scientists that study geology, biology, astronomy, etc. who write those books are wrong.</p>
<p>4) The real battle here (if you can even call it a battle) is simply constant vigilance against misinformation. If someone you know were to tell you that the earth is flat, that the moon is made of green cheese, or that the sun is just a big GE lightbulb that floats across the sky, would you correct them? If we are all entitled to our belief, then why would the Creationists care if the scientists believed in evolution? (My answer is because the Creationists get their money from their followers, and scientific fact is a threat to their profits. But that&#8217;s just my opinion.)</p>
<p>I have no problem with anyone else&#8217;s religion, as long as they practice it in the privacy of their own home. <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>B-)</p>
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		<title>By: Irishman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Irishman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jun 2007 21:13:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m reminded of another creationist venture, Kent Hovind&#039;s Dinosaur Adventure Land.  Hovind is a creationist who build a dinosaur themed creationist theme park in his yard in Florida.  He has had ongoing battles with the legal system regarding failure to get permits, improper zoning, and tax dodging.  Somehow or another, the website still lists it as open for 2007.  I thought the IRS had closed in on Hovind a while back, but apparently things haven&#039;t finalized.

http://www.csicop.org/si/2004-11/hovind.html

The difference I see here is one of funding and appearance.  Hovind&#039;s theme park comes off rinky dinky and amateur.  From the pictures, this museum has the appearance of a modern, neat, glossy museum with quality displays.  The presentation is slick.  The scientific content is juxtaposed against nonsense that is presented as of equivalent (if not superior) merit.  Sadly, there is enough of a market for this attitude that I don&#039;t think the museum will go broke.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m reminded of another creationist venture, Kent Hovind&#8217;s Dinosaur Adventure Land.  Hovind is a creationist who build a dinosaur themed creationist theme park in his yard in Florida.  He has had ongoing battles with the legal system regarding failure to get permits, improper zoning, and tax dodging.  Somehow or another, the website still lists it as open for 2007.  I thought the IRS had closed in on Hovind a while back, but apparently things haven&#8217;t finalized.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.csicop.org/si/2004-11/hovind.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.csicop.org/si/2004-11/hovind.html</a></p>
<p>The difference I see here is one of funding and appearance.  Hovind&#8217;s theme park comes off rinky dinky and amateur.  From the pictures, this museum has the appearance of a modern, neat, glossy museum with quality displays.  The presentation is slick.  The scientific content is juxtaposed against nonsense that is presented as of equivalent (if not superior) merit.  Sadly, there is enough of a market for this attitude that I don&#8217;t think the museum will go broke.</p>
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		<title>By: Darth Robo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Darth Robo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jun 2007 10:24:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;not just denigrate someones belief.&quot;

This isn&#039;t about denigrating someone&#039;s belief.  This is about exposing anti-science for the BS that it is.

(It&#039;s just we can&#039;t help but laugh when you have a bunch of plonkers who are trying to teach people that the T-Rex ate daisies)    :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;not just denigrate someones belief.&#8221;</p>
<p>This isn&#8217;t about denigrating someone&#8217;s belief.  This is about exposing anti-science for the BS that it is.</p>
<p>(It&#8217;s just we can&#8217;t help but laugh when you have a bunch of plonkers who are trying to teach people that the T-Rex ate daisies)    <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Gary Ansorge</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gary Ansorge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jun 2007 18:24:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brother Tadhg: The fuss is about sheep fleecing. While we(skeptics) are trying to grow thoughtful, rigorous thinking, problem solving citizens, the unscrupulous are trying to create wolf snacks and unfortunately, they&#039;re doing a pretty good job of that. It&#039;s easy to play to fear and make gobs of money. So difficult to encourage bravery in an uncertain reality. It takes great courage to let go the support of a god crutch and walk this universe alone. It is however, something every child must eventually do. Then maybe we can have logical discussions of how to solve our very real survival issues. As long as people have hope that some deity will magically solve their problems, we will be hobbled by such wishful thinking and those problems will remain unresolved.

GAds, I need more coffee,,,

GAry 7</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brother Tadhg: The fuss is about sheep fleecing. While we(skeptics) are trying to grow thoughtful, rigorous thinking, problem solving citizens, the unscrupulous are trying to create wolf snacks and unfortunately, they&#8217;re doing a pretty good job of that. It&#8217;s easy to play to fear and make gobs of money. So difficult to encourage bravery in an uncertain reality. It takes great courage to let go the support of a god crutch and walk this universe alone. It is however, something every child must eventually do. Then maybe we can have logical discussions of how to solve our very real survival issues. As long as people have hope that some deity will magically solve their problems, we will be hobbled by such wishful thinking and those problems will remain unresolved.</p>
<p>GAds, I need more coffee,,,</p>
<p>GAry 7</p>
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