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	<title>Comments on: Dark city</title>
	<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/06/13/dark-city/</link>
	<description>I am an astronomer, writer, and skeptic. I likes reality the way it is, and I aims to keep it that way. My real name is Phil Plait, and I run the Bad Astronomy blog.</description>
	<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jan 2009 04:18:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: The AstroDyke</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/06/13/dark-city/#comment-38474</link>
		<dc:creator>The AstroDyke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jun 2007 22:13:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Phil, Danka for reading my humble little blog.  I've been a fan of Bad Astronomy for years.

Kodos to David et al. for  stressing that while dark-sky retirement communities are a neat fringe movement, it's more important to reduce light pollution where average people live.

I just flew back from Tucson, AZ where I had an observing run @ Kitt Peak National Observatory.  Tucson's population is half a mil, but you wouldn't know it standing on Kitt Peak, only 55 miles away, where I enjoyed dark skies, the summer Milky Way, and 2 nights of data-taking scientific happiness.  How is this possible?

Here's the answer.  Take any flight into Tucson at night.  You'll descend over streets evenly lit by regular sodium circles.   The city is well-lighted.  So what's different from other cities?  Then you figure it out.  No lights glare UP, at you in the plane.  Street-lights aim DOWN, at the road, and wear hats to stop light from traveling upward.   Ditto for billboard lights (aimed down, not up).  Car dealerships are lighted, but not blindingly. Tucson has lights.  They're just intelligently placed.  They save energy, energy, &#38; dark skies.

As a result, the countryside 5 miles outside of Tucson, AZ, is far, far darker darker than 5 miles outside my home-town of 10,000.  SMART lighting, that's the ticket. And the solution is for ordinary people to get their town councils to adopt lighting ordinances that prevent waste and reduce light pollution. Check out the noble people at http://www.darksky.org/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Phil, Danka for reading my humble little blog.  I&#8217;ve been a fan of Bad Astronomy for years.</p>
<p>Kodos to David et al. for  stressing that while dark-sky retirement communities are a neat fringe movement, it&#8217;s more important to reduce light pollution where average people live.</p>
<p>I just flew back from Tucson, AZ where I had an observing run @ Kitt Peak National Observatory.  Tucson&#8217;s population is half a mil, but you wouldn&#8217;t know it standing on Kitt Peak, only 55 miles away, where I enjoyed dark skies, the summer Milky Way, and 2 nights of data-taking scientific happiness.  How is this possible?</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s the answer.  Take any flight into Tucson at night.  You&#8217;ll descend over streets evenly lit by regular sodium circles.   The city is well-lighted.  So what&#8217;s different from other cities?  Then you figure it out.  No lights glare UP, at you in the plane.  Street-lights aim DOWN, at the road, and wear hats to stop light from traveling upward.   Ditto for billboard lights (aimed down, not up).  Car dealerships are lighted, but not blindingly. Tucson has lights.  They&#8217;re just intelligently placed.  They save energy, energy, &amp; dark skies.</p>
<p>As a result, the countryside 5 miles outside of Tucson, AZ, is far, far darker darker than 5 miles outside my home-town of 10,000.  SMART lighting, that&#8217;s the ticket. And the solution is for ordinary people to get their town councils to adopt lighting ordinances that prevent waste and reduce light pollution. Check out the noble people at <a href="http://www.darksky.org/" rel="nofollow">http://www.darksky.org/</a></p>
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		<title>By: David Oesper</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/06/13/dark-city/#comment-38473</link>
		<dc:creator>David Oesper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jun 2007 02:43:51 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/06/13/dark-city/#comment-38473</guid>
		<description>While the New York Times article did a good job of profiling the few existing dark sky communities, many of us will never be able to afford second homes, and expensive private observatories.  My vision is to create an affordable, sustainable dark sky community that shares resources as much as possible, operates an astronomy resort &#38; education center, and nurtures collaborative research.  Nothing like this exists yet.

If you have an interest in this vision, please join the DarkSkyCommunities group on Yahoo!

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DarkSkyCommunities/

Thank you,

David Oesper
Moderator, DarkSkyCommunities
Dodgeville, Wisconsin</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While the New York Times article did a good job of profiling the few existing dark sky communities, many of us will never be able to afford second homes, and expensive private observatories.  My vision is to create an affordable, sustainable dark sky community that shares resources as much as possible, operates an astronomy resort &amp; education center, and nurtures collaborative research.  Nothing like this exists yet.</p>
<p>If you have an interest in this vision, please join the DarkSkyCommunities group on Yahoo!</p>
<p><a href="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DarkSkyCommunities/" rel="nofollow">http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DarkSkyCommunities/</a></p>
<p>Thank you,</p>
<p>David Oesper<br />
Moderator, DarkSkyCommunities<br />
Dodgeville, Wisconsin</p>
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		<title>By: ColoRambler</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/06/13/dark-city/#comment-38472</link>
		<dc:creator>ColoRambler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jun 2007 16:36:29 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/06/13/dark-city/#comment-38472</guid>
		<description>...Wowâ€¦ 6th mag unaided. Iâ€™ve had nights here where it was hard to spot Mars...

It was, I must say, only *barely* 6th (5.6, if I remember correctly, from an AAVSO chart I was using at the time).   So don't read too much into it -- I still need to get a few miles out of town to make galaxy viewing especially worthwhile.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;Wowâ€¦ 6th mag unaided. Iâ€™ve had nights here where it was hard to spot Mars&#8230;</p>
<p>It was, I must say, only *barely* 6th (5.6, if I remember correctly, from an AAVSO chart I was using at the time).   So don&#8217;t read too much into it &#8212; I still need to get a few miles out of town to make galaxy viewing especially worthwhile.</p>
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		<title>By: Stark</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/06/13/dark-city/#comment-38471</link>
		<dc:creator>Stark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jun 2007 16:11:35 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/06/13/dark-city/#comment-38471</guid>
		<description>Wow... 6th mag unaided.  I've had nights here where it was hard to spot Mars.

Anybody need a network admin/general computer guru in Bouder?  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow&#8230; 6th mag unaided.  I&#8217;ve had nights here where it was hard to spot Mars.</p>
<p>Anybody need a network admin/general computer guru in Bouder?  <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: ColoRambler</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/06/13/dark-city/#comment-38470</link>
		<dc:creator>ColoRambler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jun 2007 15:23:07 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/06/13/dark-city/#comment-38470</guid>
		<description>...Nonetheless, I found Boulder better than hereâ€¦ Iâ€™d be willing to bet the altitude and the much lower levels of smog have alot to do with that...

I live in Longmont (about 15 miles northeast of Boulder and 35 miles from Denver).  The skies here are actually pretty good if it's clear (I've occasionally *just barely* seen sixth magnitude stars without a scope).   I've lived in some similarly-sized cities in the eastern United States and the skies here are much better overall.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;Nonetheless, I found Boulder better than hereâ€¦ Iâ€™d be willing to bet the altitude and the much lower levels of smog have alot to do with that&#8230;</p>
<p>I live in Longmont (about 15 miles northeast of Boulder and 35 miles from Denver).  The skies here are actually pretty good if it&#8217;s clear (I&#8217;ve occasionally *just barely* seen sixth magnitude stars without a scope).   I&#8217;ve lived in some similarly-sized cities in the eastern United States and the skies here are much better overall.</p>
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		<title>By: Kaleberg</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/06/13/dark-city/#comment-38469</link>
		<dc:creator>Kaleberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jun 2007 03:48:32 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/06/13/dark-city/#comment-38469</guid>
		<description>I first noticed this trend in Sky &#38; Telescope. There was a hotel near Santa Fe that advertised that along with their other hotel in the country amenities they had a dark night sky and TELESCOPES! You didn't even have to bring your own.

I can imagine a few astronomers spending a long weekend there and deciding that they had their retirement life style down pat. Some people retire to golf courses. Some like those hamlets with a runway down the middle. Some like a dark night sky and telescopes.

Personally, I'm glad to see this as a developing trend. You don't expect to do much visible light astronomy from street level at Times Square, but it's nice to know that there are some places where the night sky is valued.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I first noticed this trend in Sky &amp; Telescope. There was a hotel near Santa Fe that advertised that along with their other hotel in the country amenities they had a dark night sky and TELESCOPES! You didn&#8217;t even have to bring your own.</p>
<p>I can imagine a few astronomers spending a long weekend there and deciding that they had their retirement life style down pat. Some people retire to golf courses. Some like those hamlets with a runway down the middle. Some like a dark night sky and telescopes.</p>
<p>Personally, I&#8217;m glad to see this as a developing trend. You don&#8217;t expect to do much visible light astronomy from street level at Times Square, but it&#8217;s nice to know that there are some places where the night sky is valued.</p>
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		<title>By: Neil</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/06/13/dark-city/#comment-38468</link>
		<dc:creator>Neil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jun 2007 23:55:43 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/06/13/dark-city/#comment-38468</guid>
		<description>I lived in Bakersfield, Ca for a couple of years.  You can't even tell there is a sky there at all except on windy spring days.  Between the car pollution, the agricultural pollution, and the extensive use of street lights, lit business signs, lit billboards and the like, the nighttime sky has been pink for 15 years or so.  Really, solid pink.  Looks like a sky full of cotton candy, and forget about telescopes.  Sometimes you can't even see the lights from low flying planes.  As bad as L.A. and sometimes worse.  So being the astronomy loving sci-fi buff that I am, what do I do?  I move to the central coast area with it's permanent marine layer.  Between the two places I've seen the Milky Way maybe three times in fifteen years.

"Movin too Montana soon..."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I lived in Bakersfield, Ca for a couple of years.  You can&#8217;t even tell there is a sky there at all except on windy spring days.  Between the car pollution, the agricultural pollution, and the extensive use of street lights, lit business signs, lit billboards and the like, the nighttime sky has been pink for 15 years or so.  Really, solid pink.  Looks like a sky full of cotton candy, and forget about telescopes.  Sometimes you can&#8217;t even see the lights from low flying planes.  As bad as L.A. and sometimes worse.  So being the astronomy loving sci-fi buff that I am, what do I do?  I move to the central coast area with it&#8217;s permanent marine layer.  Between the two places I&#8217;ve seen the Milky Way maybe three times in fifteen years.</p>
<p>&#8220;Movin too Montana soon&#8230;&#8221;</p>
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