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	<description>I am an astronomer, writer, and skeptic. I likes reality the way it is, and I aims to keep it that way. My real name is Phil Plait, and I run the Bad Astronomy blog.</description>
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		<title>By: Ben</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/06/21/stem-tide/comment-page-3/#comment-39292</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jun 2007 03:39:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bush has no moral qualms with taking the lives of human beings.  So the fact that he is against stem cells because he thinks it is killing human beings caused me to look into this issue a little deeper.  Bush does not want public funding, he wants PRIVATE COMPANIES to be able to put patents on all of the cures coming out of stem cell research.  This is great, one day in the future there may be a cure for diabetes, just so long as the patient is willing to shell out  $36,000.

Better open up a health savings account ASAP before it&#039;s too late! (sarcasm.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bush has no moral qualms with taking the lives of human beings.  So the fact that he is against stem cells because he thinks it is killing human beings caused me to look into this issue a little deeper.  Bush does not want public funding, he wants PRIVATE COMPANIES to be able to put patents on all of the cures coming out of stem cell research.  This is great, one day in the future there may be a cure for diabetes, just so long as the patient is willing to shell out  $36,000.</p>
<p>Better open up a health savings account ASAP before it&#8217;s too late! (sarcasm.)</p>
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		<title>By: MichaelS</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/06/21/stem-tide/comment-page-3/#comment-39291</link>
		<dc:creator>MichaelS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jun 2007 21:17:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Letâ€™s put the view of someone like MichaelS into perspective&quot;.  In order to get a view like mine, you have to know what my view is, which is a direct reference to my view(s).  Maybe not everything has to do with me, but statements in which you are talking about me tend to.

&quot;Bingo&quot; is not an argument.  &quot;Bingo&quot; doesn&#039;t say anything, doesn&#039;t prove anything, doesn&#039;t do anything except make it appear that you have nothing intelligent to say.  &quot;No, no, you dumb, me smart, so you wrong!&quot;  If I missed something, what was it?  What part of a blatant, unfounded character attack is right just because you don&#039;t like that person?  What did I miss?  Why am I wrong?

&quot;Bad mistake&quot; was meant as not just a mistake, which is by nature &quot;bad&quot;, but a bad mistake, which would then be &quot;bad, bad&quot;, or &quot;worse&quot; or something.  And why would you insult Bush for trying to be civil?  Have you ever been to a business meeting or conference?  It&#039;s usually considered rude to just up and leave.  If I didn&#039;t know the etiquette for a given meeting, I&#039;d try to hold it until a break too.  But I guess some of us still just use some part of the cave nobody&#039;s standing on (hopefully), so such a concept might be foreign.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Letâ€™s put the view of someone like MichaelS into perspective&#8221;.  In order to get a view like mine, you have to know what my view is, which is a direct reference to my view(s).  Maybe not everything has to do with me, but statements in which you are talking about me tend to.</p>
<p>&#8220;Bingo&#8221; is not an argument.  &#8220;Bingo&#8221; doesn&#8217;t say anything, doesn&#8217;t prove anything, doesn&#8217;t do anything except make it appear that you have nothing intelligent to say.  &#8220;No, no, you dumb, me smart, so you wrong!&#8221;  If I missed something, what was it?  What part of a blatant, unfounded character attack is right just because you don&#8217;t like that person?  What did I miss?  Why am I wrong?</p>
<p>&#8220;Bad mistake&#8221; was meant as not just a mistake, which is by nature &#8220;bad&#8221;, but a bad mistake, which would then be &#8220;bad, bad&#8221;, or &#8220;worse&#8221; or something.  And why would you insult Bush for trying to be civil?  Have you ever been to a business meeting or conference?  It&#8217;s usually considered rude to just up and leave.  If I didn&#8217;t know the etiquette for a given meeting, I&#8217;d try to hold it until a break too.  But I guess some of us still just use some part of the cave nobody&#8217;s standing on (hopefully), so such a concept might be foreign.</p>
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		<title>By: Kristine</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/06/21/stem-tide/comment-page-3/#comment-39290</link>
		<dc:creator>Kristine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jun 2007 15:52:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MichaelS: &lt;i&gt;Which one of my views? &lt;/i&gt;

I couldn&#039;t care less, since I wasn&#039;t directly addressing them. (Maybe not everything has to do specifically with MichaelS?)

&lt;i&gt;Maybe I missed something&lt;/i&gt;

Bingo.

&lt;i&gt;Seriously people, he [the Shrub] is a human being. He makes mistakes, just like all of you.&lt;/i&gt;

Yeah, I send soldiers to their deaths in a meaningless war all the time. And I have to ask to go to the potty during a UN session. I&#039;m surprised he didn&#039;t just do it in his diapers.

&lt;i&gt;Maybe he makes too many mistakes&lt;/i&gt;

Wait for it...

&lt;i&gt;and maybe his mistakes are bad ones&lt;/i&gt;

No, they&#039;re all good mistakes. Really, they are. *eyeroll*

This was fun.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MichaelS: <i>Which one of my views? </i></p>
<p>I couldn&#8217;t care less, since I wasn&#8217;t directly addressing them. (Maybe not everything has to do specifically with MichaelS?)</p>
<p><i>Maybe I missed something</i></p>
<p>Bingo.</p>
<p><i>Seriously people, he [the Shrub] is a human being. He makes mistakes, just like all of you.</i></p>
<p>Yeah, I send soldiers to their deaths in a meaningless war all the time. And I have to ask to go to the potty during a UN session. I&#8217;m surprised he didn&#8217;t just do it in his diapers.</p>
<p><i>Maybe he makes too many mistakes</i></p>
<p>Wait for it&#8230;</p>
<p><i>and maybe his mistakes are bad ones</i></p>
<p>No, they&#8217;re all good mistakes. Really, they are. *eyeroll*</p>
<p>This was fun.</p>
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		<title>By: Soren Kongstad</title>
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		<dc:creator>Soren Kongstad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jun 2007 07:16:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think one of the major issues with the US governments policies is that the ban on federal funding does prohibit a lot of private funding.

How so?

Research at universities is largely carried out with outside funding. The government agencies are some of the large suppliers of those funds.

Now a research lab needs many parts. Equipment, buildings staff etc. These are paid for in part by the same funds that pay for the research itself.

Now if a department gets 50% of its research grants from the federal, then the lab technicians, the beakers, and the cleaners will - all things being equal - be 50% funded by the federal government.

This means that even the 50% of the research that is privately funded cannot be in stem cells! Even though the researchers themselves are 100% funded by a private grant, they would be using equipment, buildings, cleaners etc that was federally funded, and this is prohibited.

For an institution to do stem cell research they would have to set up totally separate  facilities for the private research, which would in many cases be prohibitively  expensive!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think one of the major issues with the US governments policies is that the ban on federal funding does prohibit a lot of private funding.</p>
<p>How so?</p>
<p>Research at universities is largely carried out with outside funding. The government agencies are some of the large suppliers of those funds.</p>
<p>Now a research lab needs many parts. Equipment, buildings staff etc. These are paid for in part by the same funds that pay for the research itself.</p>
<p>Now if a department gets 50% of its research grants from the federal, then the lab technicians, the beakers, and the cleaners will &#8211; all things being equal &#8211; be 50% funded by the federal government.</p>
<p>This means that even the 50% of the research that is privately funded cannot be in stem cells! Even though the researchers themselves are 100% funded by a private grant, they would be using equipment, buildings, cleaners etc that was federally funded, and this is prohibited.</p>
<p>For an institution to do stem cell research they would have to set up totally separate  facilities for the private research, which would in many cases be prohibitively  expensive!</p>
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		<title>By: Quiet Desperation</title>
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		<dc:creator>Quiet Desperation</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jun 2007 04:57:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://commentisfree.guardian.co.uk/ac_grayling/2006/10/acgrayling.html</description>
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		<title>By: SCR~iously now ..</title>
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		<dc:creator>SCR~iously now ..</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jun 2007 16:23:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Surely by now only the willfully blind who&#039;ve stuck earplugs in and are wearing execution-style blindfolds haven&#039;t yet realised that Bush &amp; His neo-Impeilaist Republican nob are the WORST sort of fools ever torun their nation?

That the Republicans are anti-science, anti-sense, lying despicable pieces of excrement has now been proven beyond reasonable doubt a thousand times over &amp; in just about every case where they open their mouths.

Why are they still in power? Why are they still damaging your nation more every day?

Is Amercia too liberal &amp; tolerant - are you so peace-lving, generous and weak-minded as as to NOT actually DO something to kick these neo-Fascist nasties out ASAP!

Why have the Democrats NOT long since impeached &quot;Mad Pres&quot; George Bush II -an impeachment to swiftly be followed by crimes against humanity, war crimes &amp; treason charges over the damage he&#039;s done to three or four nations specifically (USA, Iraq, Afghanistan) &amp; the world in general???

Come on people! Show some spine &amp; rreally stop this nutter befroe he blows us all up! Please!

Oh , and for the record, Hitler too was a science-hating, superstitious, misogynist bigot - more the sort of person like your stereotypical Republican rather than the stereotypical scientist or &quot;Liberal&quot; ..

Summary :

Stem cell research - of course we should have it.

Embryoes human -no more than eggs &amp;sperm cells or inothers words NOT at all.

Abortion - absolutely yes - for some people it should be retroactive &amp; compulsory! ;-)

Death penalty -yep, there&#039;s a (limited) place for it to remove tehvery worst, unquestionably guilty criminals from ever posing athreat tosociety or harming it again.

And, yes, this is my opinion based on what I consider very good reasons.

Feel free to disagree. Feel free to tell me you disagree &amp;persuade me otherwise or try that.

But do NOT _ force_ your own opinions of morality or reality on me!

Because to use your Good TextBook (albeit in extreme need of scientific &amp; logical editing revision!) : you &#039;Do unto others&#039; - &amp; would you have me do that unto you?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Surely by now only the willfully blind who&#8217;ve stuck earplugs in and are wearing execution-style blindfolds haven&#8217;t yet realised that Bush &amp; His neo-Impeilaist Republican nob are the WORST sort of fools ever torun their nation?</p>
<p>That the Republicans are anti-science, anti-sense, lying despicable pieces of excrement has now been proven beyond reasonable doubt a thousand times over &amp; in just about every case where they open their mouths.</p>
<p>Why are they still in power? Why are they still damaging your nation more every day?</p>
<p>Is Amercia too liberal &amp; tolerant &#8211; are you so peace-lving, generous and weak-minded as as to NOT actually DO something to kick these neo-Fascist nasties out ASAP!</p>
<p>Why have the Democrats NOT long since impeached &#8220;Mad Pres&#8221; George Bush II -an impeachment to swiftly be followed by crimes against humanity, war crimes &amp; treason charges over the damage he&#8217;s done to three or four nations specifically (USA, Iraq, Afghanistan) &amp; the world in general???</p>
<p>Come on people! Show some spine &amp; rreally stop this nutter befroe he blows us all up! Please!</p>
<p>Oh , and for the record, Hitler too was a science-hating, superstitious, misogynist bigot &#8211; more the sort of person like your stereotypical Republican rather than the stereotypical scientist or &#8220;Liberal&#8221; ..</p>
<p>Summary :</p>
<p>Stem cell research &#8211; of course we should have it.</p>
<p>Embryoes human -no more than eggs &amp;sperm cells or inothers words NOT at all.</p>
<p>Abortion &#8211; absolutely yes &#8211; for some people it should be retroactive &amp; compulsory! <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Death penalty -yep, there&#8217;s a (limited) place for it to remove tehvery worst, unquestionably guilty criminals from ever posing athreat tosociety or harming it again.</p>
<p>And, yes, this is my opinion based on what I consider very good reasons.</p>
<p>Feel free to disagree. Feel free to tell me you disagree &amp;persuade me otherwise or try that.</p>
<p>But do NOT _ force_ your own opinions of morality or reality on me!</p>
<p>Because to use your Good TextBook (albeit in extreme need of scientific &amp; logical editing revision!) : you &#8216;Do unto others&#8217; &#8211; &amp; would you have me do that unto you?</p>
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		<title>By: SCiRonee</title>
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		<dc:creator>SCiRonee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jun 2007 16:01:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ANOTHER IRONY WARNING ...

Uh .. Original posting Fellow who thought that based on, I&#039;m sure great personal experience &amp; deep understanding of the female mind,  if you _do_ know any women like that could you introduce me? ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ANOTHER IRONY WARNING &#8230;</p>
<p>Uh .. Original posting Fellow who thought that based on, I&#8217;m sure great personal experience &amp; deep understanding of the female mind,  if you _do_ know any women like that could you introduce me? <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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