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	<title>Comments on: Evolution versus Creationism: Astronomy edition</title>
	<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/06/26/evolution-versus-creationism-astronomy-edition/</link>
	<description>I am an astronomer, writer, and skeptic. I likes reality the way it is, and I aims to keep it that way. My real name is Phil Plait, and I run the Bad Astronomy blog.</description>
	<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jul 2009 23:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Dude</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/06/26/evolution-versus-creationism-astronomy-edition/#comment-167304</link>
		<dc:creator>Dude</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Mar 2009 08:54:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seriously, spruking on about how believers in higher powers reduce their beliefs down to what they can understand couldn't be more opposite from the truth. It's the arrogant atheist types who adamantly claim if they can't understand it or prove it then it can't exist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seriously, spruking on about how believers in higher powers reduce their beliefs down to what they can understand couldn&#8217;t be more opposite from the truth. It&#8217;s the arrogant atheist types who adamantly claim if they can&#8217;t understand it or prove it then it can&#8217;t exist.</p>
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		<title>By: Vinni</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/06/26/evolution-versus-creationism-astronomy-edition/#comment-160785</link>
		<dc:creator>Vinni</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Mar 2009 07:09:16 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/06/26/evolution-versus-creationism-astronomy-edition/#comment-160785</guid>
		<description>From what I see, evolution IS proven.
A micro organisme that mutates in a different version adapted to a new environment, isn't that evolution ?
A colony of wild foxes captured, domesticated and tamed that show incredible physiological changes in only 4 or 5 generations, isn't that evolution ?
Proof of evolution is everywhere. Life is engineered by God to evolve.
No evolution is anti-life.
I really don't see why keep God out of the evolution process.
Creating a univers full of life that evolves is far more miraculous than a static form of life that doesn't change. 
What is the point of life if not to evolve ?
We evolve intellectually, spiritually, physicaly. That's the purpose of life itself in my view.
That's how I see things. 
But I don't want to be right about everything. I want to be happy.
With all my love.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From what I see, evolution IS proven.<br />
A micro organisme that mutates in a different version adapted to a new environment, isn&#8217;t that evolution ?<br />
A colony of wild foxes captured, domesticated and tamed that show incredible physiological changes in only 4 or 5 generations, isn&#8217;t that evolution ?<br />
Proof of evolution is everywhere. Life is engineered by God to evolve.<br />
No evolution is anti-life.<br />
I really don&#8217;t see why keep God out of the evolution process.<br />
Creating a univers full of life that evolves is far more miraculous than a static form of life that doesn&#8217;t change.<br />
What is the point of life if not to evolve ?<br />
We evolve intellectually, spiritually, physicaly. That&#8217;s the purpose of life itself in my view.<br />
That&#8217;s how I see things.<br />
But I don&#8217;t want to be right about everything. I want to be happy.<br />
With all my love.</p>
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		<title>By: Wingmna</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/06/26/evolution-versus-creationism-astronomy-edition/#comment-154987</link>
		<dc:creator>Wingmna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Feb 2009 08:55:44 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/06/26/evolution-versus-creationism-astronomy-edition/#comment-154987</guid>
		<description>Wow you guys really are nasty, sure its one thing not to believe in something, but its a whole another to state that you want war against it.

Okay, firstly, Catholics are Catholics, you cannot blame all of Christianity for the mistakes of the Catholics. Many of the protestants before me died because they knew what the Catholics were doing were wrong, yet here you bastards are blaming those protestants for those things they frought against.

Sorry, but I personally find morons calling Christians idiots when they say stuff like that hugely ironic.

Then you come out with blanket statements like "Creationists seem to love philosophy, as it is the perfect match for their horrible ideas".

Completely denying the power of an in depth study of the mind of humans just because it supports religious areas more then Scientific? LOL! Just because Darwinism is a piece of simplistic crap, that's what you get for believing in it, and all you can come up with is "oh its crap because it supports you more".

This whole thing is just a bunch of morons being the biggest hypocrites I've seen, saying that Science is perfect and everything other then Science is invalid.

Sorry, but as coming from an arts P.O.V. I can personally say that everything has a HUGE amount of context that needs to be considered and being thick drones like yourselves that take everything at face value is funny shit. I am not saying you are wrong or right, but if you can actually put this much FAITH in every bit of "Scientific" (Scientific considering most of the crap you are talking about here is still a theory rather then an actual law within Science) that you read or see.

Has to be one of the best examples I have seen of Ideology in action.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow you guys really are nasty, sure its one thing not to believe in something, but its a whole another to state that you want war against it.</p>
<p>Okay, firstly, Catholics are Catholics, you cannot blame all of Christianity for the mistakes of the Catholics. Many of the protestants before me died because they knew what the Catholics were doing were wrong, yet here you bastards are blaming those protestants for those things they frought against.</p>
<p>Sorry, but I personally find morons calling Christians idiots when they say stuff like that hugely ironic.</p>
<p>Then you come out with blanket statements like &#8220;Creationists seem to love philosophy, as it is the perfect match for their horrible ideas&#8221;.</p>
<p>Completely denying the power of an in depth study of the mind of humans just because it supports religious areas more then Scientific? LOL! Just because Darwinism is a piece of simplistic crap, that&#8217;s what you get for believing in it, and all you can come up with is &#8220;oh its crap because it supports you more&#8221;.</p>
<p>This whole thing is just a bunch of morons being the biggest hypocrites I&#8217;ve seen, saying that Science is perfect and everything other then Science is invalid.</p>
<p>Sorry, but as coming from an arts P.O.V. I can personally say that everything has a HUGE amount of context that needs to be considered and being thick drones like yourselves that take everything at face value is funny shit. I am not saying you are wrong or right, but if you can actually put this much FAITH in every bit of &#8220;Scientific&#8221; (Scientific considering most of the crap you are talking about here is still a theory rather then an actual law within Science) that you read or see.</p>
<p>Has to be one of the best examples I have seen of Ideology in action.</p>
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		<title>By: Blacksheep</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/06/26/evolution-versus-creationism-astronomy-edition/#comment-106850</link>
		<dc:creator>Blacksheep</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 22:16:48 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/06/26/evolution-versus-creationism-astronomy-edition/#comment-106850</guid>
		<description>The VHS video recording from an 1989  storm speaks for its self, in a bright orange format.

This intense argument over evolution that requires no God, and intelligent design that gives credit where credit is due, could be finally proving.  I am dead serious here when it comes to this kind of God or no God philosophy.

 People on the left say that there was no intelligent being, just a big explosion in space and nothing more.  The people on the right say that there is a super intelligent being that is more than capable of creating every aspect of life including all the planets that make up all those countless galaxies out there. However, I choose neither approach for I shall remain neutral, between both opinions.  As I said in the beginning I have the videotape evidence that proves beyond any doubt whatsoever, that heavenly Angels and fallen Angels really do exist.  In addition, if these good and evil entities truly exist then there has to be a creator.  Unfortunately, I will not be the one to release this video data to the world that finally proves that there really is a highly intelligent Supreme Being out there.  As a former satanic high priest, it goes against my years of programming to release this video data to the world.  Now I may not be willing to release it, however whoever may purchase this brief video data from me for ten or twenty million dollars, can do whatever he or she wants with it. 
 In conclusion, that eBay Internet service jazz seems to be quite popular in regards to all those religious items these days, therefore I will give it a shot for lots of filthy lucre.
Then some rich millionair can release it to the world, for a nice profit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The VHS video recording from an 1989  storm speaks for its self, in a bright orange format.</p>
<p>This intense argument over evolution that requires no God, and intelligent design that gives credit where credit is due, could be finally proving.  I am dead serious here when it comes to this kind of God or no God philosophy.</p>
<p> People on the left say that there was no intelligent being, just a big explosion in space and nothing more.  The people on the right say that there is a super intelligent being that is more than capable of creating every aspect of life including all the planets that make up all those countless galaxies out there. However, I choose neither approach for I shall remain neutral, between both opinions.  As I said in the beginning I have the videotape evidence that proves beyond any doubt whatsoever, that heavenly Angels and fallen Angels really do exist.  In addition, if these good and evil entities truly exist then there has to be a creator.  Unfortunately, I will not be the one to release this video data to the world that finally proves that there really is a highly intelligent Supreme Being out there.  As a former satanic high priest, it goes against my years of programming to release this video data to the world.  Now I may not be willing to release it, however whoever may purchase this brief video data from me for ten or twenty million dollars, can do whatever he or she wants with it.<br />
 In conclusion, that eBay Internet service jazz seems to be quite popular in regards to all those religious items these days, therefore I will give it a shot for lots of filthy lucre.<br />
Then some rich millionair can release it to the world, for a nice profit.</p>
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		<title>By: Justin</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/06/26/evolution-versus-creationism-astronomy-edition/#comment-39872</link>
		<dc:creator>Justin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 May 2008 22:18:49 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/06/26/evolution-versus-creationism-astronomy-edition/#comment-39872</guid>
		<description>WOW. You people all believe in the dumbest things. Do you know the Chances of evolution working are impossible. The odds of Evolution forming a human SKELETAL system and JUST the skeletal system, While ignoring if the bones are upside down or aligned right, are 206! or 206 factorial. This is the Equivalent of 10 to the 388th power. Written as a "1" followed by 388 "Zeros". So the chances are
1 in ten cenoctovigintillion. Which is the word for 206!.
Look it up if you do not think it is a word. Evolution is IMPOSSIBLE and the only reason people believe in it, is because they want to feel like they came from somewhere. Which they did. GOD created you dumb people.
Now go buy and read the book IN SIX DAYS</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WOW. You people all believe in the dumbest things. Do you know the Chances of evolution working are impossible. The odds of Evolution forming a human SKELETAL system and JUST the skeletal system, While ignoring if the bones are upside down or aligned right, are 206! or 206 factorial. This is the Equivalent of 10 to the 388th power. Written as a &#8220;1&#8243; followed by 388 &#8220;Zeros&#8221;. So the chances are<br />
1 in ten cenoctovigintillion. Which is the word for 206!.<br />
Look it up if you do not think it is a word. Evolution is IMPOSSIBLE and the only reason people believe in it, is because they want to feel like they came from somewhere. Which they did. GOD created you dumb people.<br />
Now go buy and read the book IN SIX DAYS</p>
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		<title>By: Sandeman</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/06/26/evolution-versus-creationism-astronomy-edition/#comment-39871</link>
		<dc:creator>Sandeman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 13:02:11 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/06/26/evolution-versus-creationism-astronomy-edition/#comment-39871</guid>
		<description>Creationism verse Evolution!! which version of which do you suppose we attack or defend? Those who claim to be "christian" are divided as oil and water, whilst scientists argue about definitions, alternative or "multi" universes ad infinitum, and have been guilty of their own progroms against their contemporaries who dared to differ and claim, ideas they had the evidence to prove. The layman's version pf "scientific" publishing pften goes from the maybe and the probable to the definite, about halfway through the article.
Faith - what is that? Truth what is that? ask a thousand folk and i bet you will get a thousand different answers, yhis fact? - truth? alone makes any blog like this tend to descend to a mud throwing contest. As Andrew says.
I would contend that science has always and still is permeated with false assumptions and bigoted defence of them. History proves this - and in at least one particular case it was "christian" faith? that  supported the false science (Galileo). Many would claim that the opposite is true in the evo. crea. conflict of today

On the other hand I would also contend that the bible which claims to be the word of God is probably the most commented on, criticised, misrepresented, misunderstood book ever written.

Do not forget that the best math the Greek philos. had supported their model of the universe. Are we  not men as they? As they  then, we now only have the best tools we can provide, and still, we wrestle with our minds. over the answer to the same questions they presumed  to have solved. Oh you say we have so much greater knowledge. Sure we put a man on the moon, we have solved many health problems , we have a huge manufacturing ability, just one of our airliners would to them be an amazing miracle!! Yet our planet is dying under our own pollution evident in almost every field of human endeavor!  Our knowledge has puffed us up. And we run the risk of "puffing out" as a result
I will not deliver my opinion there are thousands of men who have made Science their career, There are thousands of theologeons who have studied holy scripture 'till the cows come home - that  is also their career.
I will deliver the words of two  who claim to be beyond the constraints of  time, space and matter, but not energy. They make the personal claim I AM - no "past" no "future" just an eternal present. "Before Abram was I AM". and to Moses "go tell  Pharaoh I AM sent you"  "I AM the Alpha and Omega ... I AM God and there is none like me telling the end from the beginning and from ancient times the things not yet done saying I will fulfill all my purpose..." Now i  ask you? the relligeous leaders told the person in the first instant he was mad, do you agree? Abram had been dead quite a few centuries!
Scientists tell us that befroe the big bang there was no time, no space, no matter. Can you imagine an existance in such a "non" place??  Yet at least two claim it to be their eternal home and that they together created  the time space continuum in which we live and die!  Be careful how you judge these claims, they were made to men long before scientists knew any thing about space time,  light speed, quantum mechanics, the big bang and "something" before time

They also made the preposterous!? claim that except for their personal intervention no man will survive the future, and offered a supernatural, verifiable, defined experience to those who would believe them and put their bold claims to the test.  He who has an experiance is not at the mercy of him who can only provide an argument.
Yes Andrew i am a "fundamentalist" and I love the truth that science can tell me about the "miraculose" universe we call home. Aristotle and his friends did their best, they were wise and learned for their time but they were still ignorant of many things we now claim are "set in concrete" When i look at the world today i ask the question what have we leaned from history? and i sometimes think "nothing that we should, could  have" Yet i am an optimist because i have the experience of Life.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Creationism verse Evolution!! which version of which do you suppose we attack or defend? Those who claim to be &#8220;christian&#8221; are divided as oil and water, whilst scientists argue about definitions, alternative or &#8220;multi&#8221; universes ad infinitum, and have been guilty of their own progroms against their contemporaries who dared to differ and claim, ideas they had the evidence to prove. The layman&#8217;s version pf &#8220;scientific&#8221; publishing pften goes from the maybe and the probable to the definite, about halfway through the article.<br />
Faith - what is that? Truth what is that? ask a thousand folk and i bet you will get a thousand different answers, yhis fact? - truth? alone makes any blog like this tend to descend to a mud throwing contest. As Andrew says.<br />
I would contend that science has always and still is permeated with false assumptions and bigoted defence of them. History proves this - and in at least one particular case it was &#8220;christian&#8221; faith? that  supported the false science (Galileo). Many would claim that the opposite is true in the evo. crea. conflict of today</p>
<p>On the other hand I would also contend that the bible which claims to be the word of God is probably the most commented on, criticised, misrepresented, misunderstood book ever written.</p>
<p>Do not forget that the best math the Greek philos. had supported their model of the universe. Are we  not men as they? As they  then, we now only have the best tools we can provide, and still, we wrestle with our minds. over the answer to the same questions they presumed  to have solved. Oh you say we have so much greater knowledge. Sure we put a man on the moon, we have solved many health problems , we have a huge manufacturing ability, just one of our airliners would to them be an amazing miracle!! Yet our planet is dying under our own pollution evident in almost every field of human endeavor!  Our knowledge has puffed us up. And we run the risk of &#8220;puffing out&#8221; as a result<br />
I will not deliver my opinion there are thousands of men who have made Science their career, There are thousands of theologeons who have studied holy scripture &#8217;till the cows come home - that  is also their career.<br />
I will deliver the words of two  who claim to be beyond the constraints of  time, space and matter, but not energy. They make the personal claim I AM - no &#8220;past&#8221; no &#8220;future&#8221; just an eternal present. &#8220;Before Abram was I AM&#8221;. and to Moses &#8220;go tell  Pharaoh I AM sent you&#8221;  &#8220;I AM the Alpha and Omega &#8230; I AM God and there is none like me telling the end from the beginning and from ancient times the things not yet done saying I will fulfill all my purpose&#8230;&#8221; Now i  ask you? the relligeous leaders told the person in the first instant he was mad, do you agree? Abram had been dead quite a few centuries!<br />
Scientists tell us that befroe the big bang there was no time, no space, no matter. Can you imagine an existance in such a &#8220;non&#8221; place??  Yet at least two claim it to be their eternal home and that they together created  the time space continuum in which we live and die!  Be careful how you judge these claims, they were made to men long before scientists knew any thing about space time,  light speed, quantum mechanics, the big bang and &#8220;something&#8221; before time</p>
<p>They also made the preposterous!? claim that except for their personal intervention no man will survive the future, and offered a supernatural, verifiable, defined experience to those who would believe them and put their bold claims to the test.  He who has an experiance is not at the mercy of him who can only provide an argument.<br />
Yes Andrew i am a &#8220;fundamentalist&#8221; and I love the truth that science can tell me about the &#8220;miraculose&#8221; universe we call home. Aristotle and his friends did their best, they were wise and learned for their time but they were still ignorant of many things we now claim are &#8220;set in concrete&#8221; When i look at the world today i ask the question what have we leaned from history? and i sometimes think &#8220;nothing that we should, could  have&#8221; Yet i am an optimist because i have the experience of Life.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/06/26/evolution-versus-creationism-astronomy-edition/#comment-39870</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 08:20:44 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/06/26/evolution-versus-creationism-astronomy-edition/#comment-39870</guid>
		<description>Well produced video.

It's unfortunate that a number of people have latched onto this to push their atheist or anti-Christian agenda. Doing that is precisely the kind of thing that pushes people apart and creates unproductive decisiveness and hostility. It only offers ammunition to people who want to depict science as incompatible with their religion or ethical beliefs, and it likely doesn't change the opinion of a single person.  The elitist tenor does not help either.

Generally, it's bad to imply that anyone who disagrees with you is ignorant and foolish. They'll then never change their opinion. Great job, not only have you failed to accomplish your goal, but you've discredited people who are honestly trying to educate people. Basically you're just the "educated" version of the rabid extremist who enjoys gloating how they are going to be in paradise in the next life and you will be re-incarnated as a goat. It might make you feel good, but it doesn't help humanity.

If you want to help the fundamentalists who hate science, by all means continue, you're playing right into their hands.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well produced video.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s unfortunate that a number of people have latched onto this to push their atheist or anti-Christian agenda. Doing that is precisely the kind of thing that pushes people apart and creates unproductive decisiveness and hostility. It only offers ammunition to people who want to depict science as incompatible with their religion or ethical beliefs, and it likely doesn&#8217;t change the opinion of a single person.  The elitist tenor does not help either.</p>
<p>Generally, it&#8217;s bad to imply that anyone who disagrees with you is ignorant and foolish. They&#8217;ll then never change their opinion. Great job, not only have you failed to accomplish your goal, but you&#8217;ve discredited people who are honestly trying to educate people. Basically you&#8217;re just the &#8220;educated&#8221; version of the rabid extremist who enjoys gloating how they are going to be in paradise in the next life and you will be re-incarnated as a goat. It might make you feel good, but it doesn&#8217;t help humanity.</p>
<p>If you want to help the fundamentalists who hate science, by all means continue, you&#8217;re playing right into their hands.</p>
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