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	<description>I am an astronomer, writer, and skeptic. I likes reality the way it is, and I aims to keep it that way. My real name is Phil Plait, and I run the Bad Astronomy blog.</description>
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		<title>By: tom</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/06/29/alien-sun-final-comment/comment-page-1/#comment-158236</link>
		<dc:creator>tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Feb 2009 03:34:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>what if the ecliptic was moving very slowly 

because of very strong but distant gravitational force yes it would effect the orbits of our planets and as such they not perfect circles now the effect is because the planets will not all be effected exactly by the same amount as some are father away than others and some are larger than others and lets not forget about small amount of distance the travel as they orbit as we get closer to the source the difference in gravitational pull from one side of the sun and the other side will increases as we get closer to this source    the source i would assume is the black hole in the center of the milky way 


we use earth&#039;s magnetic   field to move our satellites orientation this effect is not strong enough to pull a satellite down or slow it down by any detectable amount  earth&#039;s magnetic   field does prudence eddy currents and that does slow satellites down a bit not much though and that has nothing to do with gravity but lets remember that as the planets orbit our sun they get pulled away from our sun a bit and closer depending on the position of the sun in respect to the milky way black hole and that our past position may have lined up with the ecliptic of the milky 

and their could be a line comic line in the sand where energy levels raise and we could be crossing it this line would be hard to see it would be like trying  to spot a   laser with out seeing it hit something nor seeing its source as this is filed of energy not a concentrated source it could also be compared    trying to see the static field on your screen if you touch it you can feel it as it has a direct effect on you how do you measures it with out touching it with an instrument or watching the dust collect  on the surface yet where is the surface of a Galaxy not to mention how long it takes for dust to collect on this scale 

look at we know and what we can detect not saying i have an opinion one way or the other here but before we call something fact lets ask what we no to prove that fact  if you can not prove the that a contradictory statement is false in comparison to current belief then current belief is not fact it is theory just like the contradictory statement made about the segway galaxy being our home before either one of these beliefs could become fact one of them must be disproven  so lets disprove on of them but when you find allot of evidence to support the opposite of your beliefs it maybe time to change your beliefs not to dismiss it and forget it and a good scientist will look for evidence to prove him wrong and with the lack of such creditable  evidence  and creditable evidence  that proves him right he will then try to declare a fact</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>what if the ecliptic was moving very slowly </p>
<p>because of very strong but distant gravitational force yes it would effect the orbits of our planets and as such they not perfect circles now the effect is because the planets will not all be effected exactly by the same amount as some are father away than others and some are larger than others and lets not forget about small amount of distance the travel as they orbit as we get closer to the source the difference in gravitational pull from one side of the sun and the other side will increases as we get closer to this source    the source i would assume is the black hole in the center of the milky way </p>
<p>we use earth&#8217;s magnetic   field to move our satellites orientation this effect is not strong enough to pull a satellite down or slow it down by any detectable amount  earth&#8217;s magnetic   field does prudence eddy currents and that does slow satellites down a bit not much though and that has nothing to do with gravity but lets remember that as the planets orbit our sun they get pulled away from our sun a bit and closer depending on the position of the sun in respect to the milky way black hole and that our past position may have lined up with the ecliptic of the milky </p>
<p>and their could be a line comic line in the sand where energy levels raise and we could be crossing it this line would be hard to see it would be like trying  to spot a   laser with out seeing it hit something nor seeing its source as this is filed of energy not a concentrated source it could also be compared    trying to see the static field on your screen if you touch it you can feel it as it has a direct effect on you how do you measures it with out touching it with an instrument or watching the dust collect  on the surface yet where is the surface of a Galaxy not to mention how long it takes for dust to collect on this scale </p>
<p>look at we know and what we can detect not saying i have an opinion one way or the other here but before we call something fact lets ask what we no to prove that fact  if you can not prove the that a contradictory statement is false in comparison to current belief then current belief is not fact it is theory just like the contradictory statement made about the segway galaxy being our home before either one of these beliefs could become fact one of them must be disproven  so lets disprove on of them but when you find allot of evidence to support the opposite of your beliefs it maybe time to change your beliefs not to dismiss it and forget it and a good scientist will look for evidence to prove him wrong and with the lack of such creditable  evidence  and creditable evidence  that proves him right he will then try to declare a fact</p>
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		<title>By: tom</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/06/29/alien-sun-final-comment/comment-page-1/#comment-157822</link>
		<dc:creator>tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Feb 2009 10:21:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>some body went though  lot math and effort to come up to that figure i believe it is relevant cause a object at high speed gains allot of mass a star already has that mass  and one big object pull is gonna be greater on a another big object than a much smaller object</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>some body went though  lot math and effort to come up to that figure i believe it is relevant cause a object at high speed gains allot of mass a star already has that mass  and one big object pull is gonna be greater on a another big object than a much smaller object</p>
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		<title>By: tom</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/06/29/alien-sun-final-comment/comment-page-1/#comment-157815</link>
		<dc:creator>tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Feb 2009 07:30:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>not so fast is it true massive objects tend to be abstracted to one another so how close do the have to get to before they will meat in the middle  

lets not forget what one super nova can do if it were inside our galaxy and what would be the effect of 2 stars colliding probably  not to bad   but the increased gravity and disturbed orbits make a chain reaction we could get an orbiting black hole that swallows everything in its path that would be bad 


1 billion stars the suns gravity extends 2 LIGHT YEARS

https://bbs.stardestroyer.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&amp;t=129503   

Sso what are the odds if the when the adramda galaxy collides 

no for a dwarf galaxy well do we know our own place with enough precision to know that is what galley we really from to answer that what center are rotating around and can we be sure that has not changed in the recent time that is the question now the movement si very slow so how long have we been observing this and how far have we traveled can we see what our wobble is do we know if our orbit is at all perturbed i do not think we have been watching long enough and may also lack the right equipment to detect that bad astronomy at its finest here try to discredit somebody using proof you know you do not have 

wait a minute that is bad science not just bad astronomy</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>not so fast is it true massive objects tend to be abstracted to one another so how close do the have to get to before they will meat in the middle  </p>
<p>lets not forget what one super nova can do if it were inside our galaxy and what would be the effect of 2 stars colliding probably  not to bad   but the increased gravity and disturbed orbits make a chain reaction we could get an orbiting black hole that swallows everything in its path that would be bad </p>
<p>1 billion stars the suns gravity extends 2 LIGHT YEARS</p>
<p><a href="https://bbs.stardestroyer.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&#038;t=129503" rel="nofollow">https://bbs.stardestroyer.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&#038;t=129503</a>   </p>
<p>Sso what are the odds if the when the adramda galaxy collides </p>
<p>no for a dwarf galaxy well do we know our own place with enough precision to know that is what galley we really from to answer that what center are rotating around and can we be sure that has not changed in the recent time that is the question now the movement si very slow so how long have we been observing this and how far have we traveled can we see what our wobble is do we know if our orbit is at all perturbed i do not think we have been watching long enough and may also lack the right equipment to detect that bad astronomy at its finest here try to discredit somebody using proof you know you do not have </p>
<p>wait a minute that is bad science not just bad astronomy</p>
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		<title>By: Irishman</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/06/29/alien-sun-final-comment/comment-page-1/#comment-40140</link>
		<dc:creator>Irishman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jul 2007 23:00:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MIchael Sutherland said:
&gt; Is is true that our solar system is in the intersection between the milky way and Sag Dwarf?

No.  The Solar System is &lt;i&gt;near&lt;/i&gt; the Sag Dwarf intersection with the Milky Way, but not in the stream.

&gt; Is it true that our solar systemâ€™s angle of momentem is lined up with the smaller, intersecting galaxy?

No.  The Solar System is tilted at an angle to the plane of the Milky Way, but it does not align with the plane of the Sag Dwarf.

&gt; Could/would a passing â€˜rainâ€™ of transient stars torque us about to line up with it, rather than our supposed parent, the milky way?

No.  For stars to have had that kind of effect, to change the orientation of the Solar System, it would have dramatically affected the orbital paths.  The Solar System would not be coplanar, but erratic.

Mike J, you seem to be overreaching. To say that he can understand how one might see the names in a political light is a far cry from stating that he intentionally suggested those names as a political statement, which was your original assertion.  You have yet to provide evidence to &lt;i&gt;that&lt;/i&gt; conjecture.

Regarding Phil&#039;s comments on the origins of the Solar System, his original response was in relation to the proposal that the Solar System originated in the Sag Dwarf galaxy and was being captured by the Milky Way.  His response in light of &lt;i&gt;that&lt;/i&gt; proposal was to say it was not consistent with the evidence, and to point out how the proposal was erroneous.  In the process of examining that claim, he did go on to state that the Solar System originated in the Milky Way, which in retrospect he clarified was a bit extreme given that the Milky Way has been absorbing smaller galaxies over time, and it is conceivable that it could have in the distant past absorbed a different galaxy that was the original source for the Solar System. However, the timescale for that was significantly far enough back that it wouldn&#039;t mean a hill of beans to us.  Also, there&#039;s no evidence to support that notion, so it&#039;s idle speculation with no means for verification one way or another.  And most importantly, it does not negate his point that the Sag Dwarf origin proposal is still wrong.

In light of that, it does not appear that you have anything meaningful to contribute, and are just here to whine about your beef with Phil.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MIchael Sutherland said:<br />
&gt; Is is true that our solar system is in the intersection between the milky way and Sag Dwarf?</p>
<p>No.  The Solar System is <i>near</i> the Sag Dwarf intersection with the Milky Way, but not in the stream.</p>
<p>&gt; Is it true that our solar systemâ€™s angle of momentem is lined up with the smaller, intersecting galaxy?</p>
<p>No.  The Solar System is tilted at an angle to the plane of the Milky Way, but it does not align with the plane of the Sag Dwarf.</p>
<p>&gt; Could/would a passing â€˜rainâ€™ of transient stars torque us about to line up with it, rather than our supposed parent, the milky way?</p>
<p>No.  For stars to have had that kind of effect, to change the orientation of the Solar System, it would have dramatically affected the orbital paths.  The Solar System would not be coplanar, but erratic.</p>
<p>Mike J, you seem to be overreaching. To say that he can understand how one might see the names in a political light is a far cry from stating that he intentionally suggested those names as a political statement, which was your original assertion.  You have yet to provide evidence to <i>that</i> conjecture.</p>
<p>Regarding Phil&#8217;s comments on the origins of the Solar System, his original response was in relation to the proposal that the Solar System originated in the Sag Dwarf galaxy and was being captured by the Milky Way.  His response in light of <i>that</i> proposal was to say it was not consistent with the evidence, and to point out how the proposal was erroneous.  In the process of examining that claim, he did go on to state that the Solar System originated in the Milky Way, which in retrospect he clarified was a bit extreme given that the Milky Way has been absorbing smaller galaxies over time, and it is conceivable that it could have in the distant past absorbed a different galaxy that was the original source for the Solar System. However, the timescale for that was significantly far enough back that it wouldn&#8217;t mean a hill of beans to us.  Also, there&#8217;s no evidence to support that notion, so it&#8217;s idle speculation with no means for verification one way or another.  And most importantly, it does not negate his point that the Sag Dwarf origin proposal is still wrong.</p>
<p>In light of that, it does not appear that you have anything meaningful to contribute, and are just here to whine about your beef with Phil.</p>
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		<title>By: Berlzebub</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/06/29/alien-sun-final-comment/comment-page-1/#comment-40139</link>
		<dc:creator>Berlzebub</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jul 2007 16:28:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Mike J:

I&#039;ll leave the political parts alone, but I have to point something out. In your last comment, you said:

&lt;blockquote&gt;Mike Brown comments on the â€œpoliticalâ€ contraversy, and how the names &lt;b&gt;â€œresonateâ€&lt;/b&gt; with current geo-political happenings.

Its also basically what Mike Brown said in YOUR OWN interview done w/ him months agoâ€¦ where Mr. Brown said â€œhe could understandâ€ how [the names Eris and Dysnomia] &lt;b&gt;could&lt;/b&gt; be seen in a political light. [&lt;b&gt;emphasis&lt;/b&gt; mine]&lt;/blockquote&gt;

By your own words, and Mike Browns&#039;, it seems that what you are asserting doesn&#039;t fly. As Phil pointed out in his first post, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.skyandtelescope.com/news/home/3916126.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Mike Brown&lt;/a&gt; points to the &lt;i&gt;astronomy&lt;/i&gt; community for the source of the names. Mike Brown saying it &quot;resonates&quot; with and you saying it &quot;could&quot; be political does not mean it is. It only says that you are looking for reasons to make it that way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Mike J:</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll leave the political parts alone, but I have to point something out. In your last comment, you said:</p>
<blockquote><p>Mike Brown comments on the â€œpoliticalâ€ contraversy, and how the names <b>â€œresonateâ€</b> with current geo-political happenings.</p>
<p>Its also basically what Mike Brown said in YOUR OWN interview done w/ him months agoâ€¦ where Mr. Brown said â€œhe could understandâ€ how [the names Eris and Dysnomia] <b>could</b> be seen in a political light. [<b>emphasis</b> mine]</p></blockquote>
<p>By your own words, and Mike Browns&#8217;, it seems that what you are asserting doesn&#8217;t fly. As Phil pointed out in his first post, <a href="http://www.skyandtelescope.com/news/home/3916126.html" rel="nofollow">Mike Brown</a> points to the <i>astronomy</i> community for the source of the names. Mike Brown saying it &#8220;resonates&#8221; with and you saying it &#8220;could&#8221; be political does not mean it is. It only says that you are looking for reasons to make it that way.</p>
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		<title>By: Damian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Damian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jul 2007 05:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, and credited.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, and credited.</p>
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		<title>By: MIchael Sutherland</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/06/29/alien-sun-final-comment/comment-page-1/#comment-40137</link>
		<dc:creator>MIchael Sutherland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jul 2007 12:54:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What you you tell us about how we &#039;know&#039; the sun didn&#039;t form in Sag. Dwarf galaxy?

Is is true that our solar system is in the intersection between the milky way and Sag Dwarf?

Is it true that our solar system&#039;s angle of momentem is lined up with the smaller, intersecting galaxy?  Could/would a passing &#039;rain&#039; of transient stars torque us about to line up with it, rather than our supposed parent, the milky way?

Thanks for your insight...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What you you tell us about how we &#8216;know&#8217; the sun didn&#8217;t form in Sag. Dwarf galaxy?</p>
<p>Is is true that our solar system is in the intersection between the milky way and Sag Dwarf?</p>
<p>Is it true that our solar system&#8217;s angle of momentem is lined up with the smaller, intersecting galaxy?  Could/would a passing &#8216;rain&#8217; of transient stars torque us about to line up with it, rather than our supposed parent, the milky way?</p>
<p>Thanks for your insight&#8230;</p>
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