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	<title>Comments on: What happened before the Big Bang?</title>
	<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/07/01/what-happened-before-the-big-bang/</link>
	<description>I am an astronomer, writer, and skeptic. I likes reality the way it is, and I aims to keep it that way. My real name is Phil Plait, and I run the Bad Astronomy blog.</description>
	<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jan 2009 04:15:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Avon Xzavia</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/07/01/what-happened-before-the-big-bang/#comment-139367</link>
		<dc:creator>Avon Xzavia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Dec 2008 21:32:07 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/07/01/what-happened-before-the-big-bang/#comment-139367</guid>
		<description>Hello Jean,

There is no reason why our, and or any or indeed every other universe couldn't be like a dot or point in size as you suggest, as size is relative to the observer. It's all a mater of your viewpoint. Whatever an object's size if you are either very much bigger or smaller or even extremely close or far enough away then it is either all encompassing or an infinitely small dot...  

 ...Outside our familiar physical world scale, the rules that we subconsciously apply are no longer appropriate...  

Avon Xzavia.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Jean,</p>
<p>There is no reason why our, and or any or indeed every other universe couldn&#8217;t be like a dot or point in size as you suggest, as size is relative to the observer. It&#8217;s all a mater of your viewpoint. Whatever an object&#8217;s size if you are either very much bigger or smaller or even extremely close or far enough away then it is either all encompassing or an infinitely small dot&#8230;  </p>
<p> &#8230;Outside our familiar physical world scale, the rules that we subconsciously apply are no longer appropriate&#8230;  </p>
<p>Avon Xzavia.</p>
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		<title>By: Jean Verkest</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/07/01/what-happened-before-the-big-bang/#comment-139261</link>
		<dc:creator>Jean Verkest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Dec 2008 22:51:44 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/07/01/what-happened-before-the-big-bang/#comment-139261</guid>
		<description>Well, good read I would say. But I came up last week with a new idea of the universe. I'm 17 years and I have still a lot to learn. So plz just be critical and don't laugh. It's still just an idea and I want to make some research later on if it's possible. I'm very interesting in it and i'm also making a work about the Higgs particle for my finishing work in my retorica.

So imagine the universe would have the same aspects and qualities as a point; a dot. Just like in mathematics.
What do we know about a point. It has no size. How small is it? How big is it?
What form does it have?
And what dimension does it have?
A point you could discribe like a collection of many different, an infinite number of other points. And you go on like that.

I'm have now examinations, but if someone thinks this is interesting, you can mail me and we can talk about it.

-&gt; jeanverkest(at)hotmail.com ( (at)=@ )</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, good read I would say. But I came up last week with a new idea of the universe. I&#8217;m 17 years and I have still a lot to learn. So plz just be critical and don&#8217;t laugh. It&#8217;s still just an idea and I want to make some research later on if it&#8217;s possible. I&#8217;m very interesting in it and i&#8217;m also making a work about the Higgs particle for my finishing work in my retorica.</p>
<p>So imagine the universe would have the same aspects and qualities as a point; a dot. Just like in mathematics.<br />
What do we know about a point. It has no size. How small is it? How big is it?<br />
What form does it have?<br />
And what dimension does it have?<br />
A point you could discribe like a collection of many different, an infinite number of other points. And you go on like that.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m have now examinations, but if someone thinks this is interesting, you can mail me and we can talk about it.</p>
<p>-> jeanverkest(at)hotmail.com ( (at)=@ )</p>
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		<title>By: Avon Xzavia</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/07/01/what-happened-before-the-big-bang/#comment-138831</link>
		<dc:creator>Avon Xzavia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 21:49:20 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/07/01/what-happened-before-the-big-bang/#comment-138831</guid>
		<description>Hello Terry,

You, I think are assuming that the various big bangs you mention could interact, this is not possible (within my theory) as they are dimensionally separated, what I mean by this is they create their own realities, space-time bubbles as a product of their own propagation,  Imagine a storm in a teacup, (and the storm itself creates the tea, and the cup) there may be other cups with their own storms, but each storm is self contained and cannot affect or interact with any other storm...

..hope this helps...

Avon Xzavia</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Terry,</p>
<p>You, I think are assuming that the various big bangs you mention could interact, this is not possible (within my theory) as they are dimensionally separated, what I mean by this is they create their own realities, space-time bubbles as a product of their own propagation,  Imagine a storm in a teacup, (and the storm itself creates the tea, and the cup) there may be other cups with their own storms, but each storm is self contained and cannot affect or interact with any other storm&#8230;</p>
<p>..hope this helps&#8230;</p>
<p>Avon Xzavia</p>
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		<title>By: Terry H</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/07/01/what-happened-before-the-big-bang/#comment-138665</link>
		<dc:creator>Terry H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 12:33:31 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/07/01/what-happened-before-the-big-bang/#comment-138665</guid>
		<description>This is what i think - A big bang was a black hole which cannot hold any more matter and erupts. Imagine thousands of big bangs - exploding matter from each big bang flys out at 360 degrees and will eventually crash into matter from other big bangs and will either create a new black hole or enter an existing black hole and they will eventualy erupt as another big bang and the process starts all over again.

Terry.H</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is what i think - A big bang was a black hole which cannot hold any more matter and erupts. Imagine thousands of big bangs - exploding matter from each big bang flys out at 360 degrees and will eventually crash into matter from other big bangs and will either create a new black hole or enter an existing black hole and they will eventualy erupt as another big bang and the process starts all over again.</p>
<p>Terry.H</p>
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		<title>By: Avon Xzavia</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/07/01/what-happened-before-the-big-bang/#comment-137733</link>
		<dc:creator>Avon Xzavia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2008 08:57:23 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/07/01/what-happened-before-the-big-bang/#comment-137733</guid>
		<description>Hello Again...  I've always wanted to discuss these matters with other interested individuals but never had the chance before... 

Re: Pan Theory, I have looked at the basic idea and fundamentals, And I think it is a very strong contender, it may very well be the nearest to the truth that we have been able to touch thus far. 
The basic principle is simple which immediately makes it more likely to be true than conventional ideas which are very complex and require at best loads of qualification and 'tinkering' to allow them to even approach coherency...  

...'Simple' answers are often the correct ones as 'nature' for want of a better word is if nothing else the great economist. not to mention Occam's Razor...

Avon Xzavia.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Again&#8230;  I&#8217;ve always wanted to discuss these matters with other interested individuals but never had the chance before&#8230; </p>
<p>Re: Pan Theory, I have looked at the basic idea and fundamentals, And I think it is a very strong contender, it may very well be the nearest to the truth that we have been able to touch thus far.<br />
The basic principle is simple which immediately makes it more likely to be true than conventional ideas which are very complex and require at best loads of qualification and &#8216;tinkering&#8217; to allow them to even approach coherency&#8230;  </p>
<p>&#8230;&#8217;Simple&#8217; answers are often the correct ones as &#8216;nature&#8217; for want of a better word is if nothing else the great economist. not to mention Occam&#8217;s Razor&#8230;</p>
<p>Avon Xzavia.</p>
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		<title>By: Avon Xzavia</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/07/01/what-happened-before-the-big-bang/#comment-137192</link>
		<dc:creator>Avon Xzavia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Nov 2008 21:58:58 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/07/01/what-happened-before-the-big-bang/#comment-137192</guid>
		<description>Greetings Forrest,

Thank You for your response...   You Said:

"No observations have ever been made which indicate the universe was denser in past epochs"

let's turn that on it's head:

OK the universe will not last forever, In it's present form, that is.

It will very slowly loose mass as matter is removed by the process I have described above. As it very slowly becomes more rareified, there is less gravitational attraction because of the loss of mass, hence the acceleration of expansion.

In the end... or better to say,  Much Later...  to a gradual change of state, which will probably not be able to support the reality we experience now, And in the very far future of our particular uni-bubble the laws of physics as we understand them will also perhaps gradually change or even breakdown.

in fact this is probably already and has always been happening, we just don't see it for two reasons: First, (and most importantly) We are in it ! &#038; second even if we were able to observe 'from outside' the change would be to slow. 


Imagine countless different universes all with different time speeds and longevity:- (to us) (but within them all feeling perhaps far more, or even precisely same/similar) some lasting a massively longer time than our own, others a micro second, though we will never directly interact externally or internally with them so it is a moot point.

We must not think in terms of the Linear  but more in infinite time bubbles  neighbours or like Russian dolls as just two of many indescribable scenarios, not even touching more than 4 dimensions. Think infinite bubble bath, in a public baths of infinite bathtubs all overlaping in slightly different phase... infinite bubbles going through infinite life-re-cycles in infinite phases .  

And we are somewhere in there...


...Sorry about all the infinites...

Avon Xzavia.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greetings Forrest,</p>
<p>Thank You for your response&#8230;   You Said:</p>
<p>&#8220;No observations have ever been made which indicate the universe was denser in past epochs&#8221;</p>
<p>let&#8217;s turn that on it&#8217;s head:</p>
<p>OK the universe will not last forever, In it&#8217;s present form, that is.</p>
<p>It will very slowly loose mass as matter is removed by the process I have described above. As it very slowly becomes more rareified, there is less gravitational attraction because of the loss of mass, hence the acceleration of expansion.</p>
<p>In the end&#8230; or better to say,  Much Later&#8230;  to a gradual change of state, which will probably not be able to support the reality we experience now, And in the very far future of our particular uni-bubble the laws of physics as we understand them will also perhaps gradually change or even breakdown.</p>
<p>in fact this is probably already and has always been happening, we just don&#8217;t see it for two reasons: First, (and most importantly) We are in it ! &#038; second even if we were able to observe &#8216;from outside&#8217; the change would be to slow. </p>
<p>Imagine countless different universes all with different time speeds and longevity:- (to us) (but within them all feeling perhaps far more, or even precisely same/similar) some lasting a massively longer time than our own, others a micro second, though we will never directly interact externally or internally with them so it is a moot point.</p>
<p>We must not think in terms of the Linear  but more in infinite time bubbles  neighbours or like Russian dolls as just two of many indescribable scenarios, not even touching more than 4 dimensions. Think infinite bubble bath, in a public baths of infinite bathtubs all overlaping in slightly different phase&#8230; infinite bubbles going through infinite life-re-cycles in infinite phases .  </p>
<p>And we are somewhere in there&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8230;Sorry about all the infinites&#8230;</p>
<p>Avon Xzavia.</p>
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		<title>By: forrest noble</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/07/01/what-happened-before-the-big-bang/#comment-136642</link>
		<dc:creator>forrest noble</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 22:02:39 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/07/01/what-happened-before-the-big-bang/#comment-136642</guid>
		<description>Avon,

If you believe in  an infinite cycle than you believe in an infinite universe in time. There presently is little or no evidence pointing to this possibility or any other model for that matter. Even the Big Bang model itself has almost insurmountable problems, the newest one is called the density problem. If the universe is expanding at an accelerating rate it would have been denser in the past. No observations have ever been made which indicate the universe was denser in past epochs -- see pantheory.org for more info. View Technical paper concerning the density problem with the Big Bang model.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Avon,</p>
<p>If you believe in  an infinite cycle than you believe in an infinite universe in time. There presently is little or no evidence pointing to this possibility or any other model for that matter. Even the Big Bang model itself has almost insurmountable problems, the newest one is called the density problem. If the universe is expanding at an accelerating rate it would have been denser in the past. No observations have ever been made which indicate the universe was denser in past epochs &#8212; see pantheory.org for more info. View Technical paper concerning the density problem with the Big Bang model.</p>
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