Comments on: First light, confirmed?

By: forrest noble

forrest noble — Thu, 01 Nov 2007 00:35:05 +0000

I believe this is just another false start based upon the false premise of the universes age, 13.7 B years– I believe, like many others, based upon the large scale structures of the universe and stellar/ galactic age analysis, the universe is much older, therefore I suggest that we never could see the first light because it has dissipated long ago. There is also a good chance that the real first light was not even contained within the observable part of the universe. This observation could be a faint glimmer of a very distant galaxy.

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Boredom Reigns » Blog Archive » Light From the First Stars — Thu, 02 Aug 2007 21:49:41 +0000

[...] Is this a glimpse back to the birth of the universe? Interesting to think about. Read more at Bad Astronomy. [...]

By: jadedcoder » Light From the First Stars

jadedcoder » Light From the First Stars — Sat, 14 Jul 2007 14:17:11 +0000

[...] Is this a glimpse back to the birth of the universe? Interesting to think about. Read more at Bad Astronomy. [...]

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First Light at Cal Harding’s personal weblog — Sun, 08 Jul 2007 13:38:37 +0000

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By: Buzz Parsec

Buzz Parsec — Fri, 06 Jul 2007 02:38:03 +0000

Slang, I think we already have detected beyond first light. My guess would be the CMB is older than these stars, even if they are the first… The CMB is the (massively redshifted) light from the time the universe cooled below the ionization temperature of Hydrogen (~10,000 K, IIRC) and thus became transparent. Clouds that hot are much too hot to collapse into stars. I think the temperature would have to drop below a few hundred K to initiate star formation,
which would take millions of years.

By: slang

slang — Wed, 04 Jul 2007 09:32:34 +0000

Buzz Parsec Says: “Of course, if you eliminate all the impossible things, and nothing is left, then you *know* youâ€™ve left something out ”

No, that’s when you become an atheist

Seriously though, I hope that in my lifetime we’ll be able to see/detect beyond that first light..

Happy 4th!

By: Buzz Parsec

Buzz Parsec — Wed, 04 Jul 2007 08:22:00 +0000

Lyle and Bearcub -

I also thought of Sherlock Holmes while reading BA’s post. But I disagree a little bit… It’s easy (well, sometimes it’s easy) to eliminate the impossible. The hard part, I think BA is saying, is being sure that when you’re down to one thing, that you haven’t left anything out, something entirely else that you’ve forgotten to include, not one of the impossible things that you’ve already eliminated. Of course, if you eliminate all the impossible things, and nothing is left, then you *know* you’ve left something out

BTW, I’ve seen proof that since Conan Doyle, an extreme and documented irrationalist, couldn’t have invented the supreme rationalist Sherlock Holmes, Holmes must have really existed, and, perhaps, Sir Arthur was in fact the fictional character.

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Wed, 04 Jul 2007 05:44:32 +0000

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By: jadedcoder » Light From the First Stars

jadedcoder » Light From the First Stars — Wed, 04 Jul 2007 05:24:17 +0000

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By: Vidyardhi Nanduri

Vidyardhi Nanduri — Wed, 04 Jul 2007 02:13:28 +0000

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Presently Cosmology is undergoing REVISION and BIG-BANG,
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By: George

George — Wed, 04 Jul 2007 00:36:50 +0000

Remarkable story! A lot of firsts are happening in our lifetime. Great going Spitzer!

By: Cosmic_Comic

Cosmic_Comic — Tue, 03 Jul 2007 23:45:35 +0000

In relativity theroy, would being “first” really be all that important? And, furthermore, what would be the “last” light emitted in this local universe?

So much data—so many questions….

By: criticalthinker

criticalthinker — Tue, 03 Jul 2007 23:23:32 +0000

But…but…isn’t the Earth and the universe only 5.000 years old according to the Creationists and I hear they have a museum that proves this very fact. How can there be this conflict? I don’t want to disparage the religious nut jobs out there but I think they’re wrong and science is correct. I rest my case, Your Honour.

By: bearcub

bearcub — Tue, 03 Jul 2007 19:51:44 +0000

Actually, the entire quote is: â€œOnce you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, no matter how improbable, must be the truth.â€

Not that it changes the meaning (I’m not accusing you of anything Lyle), but if you’re going to steal it unknownkadath, you may as well steal the whole thing

.. and yes, we still don’t a total grasp of what’s impossible out there.

By: unknownkadath

unknownkadath — Tue, 03 Jul 2007 18:20:13 +0000

Wow, Lyle, that’s very quotable.

I’m stealin it.

By: Gary Ansorge

Gary Ansorge — Tue, 03 Jul 2007 18:19:58 +0000

First stars. Very Phat,,,

Are they the at the same distribution/intensity and distance no matter which direction we look? How does our new found hyper inflation affect these old stars and their radiance?

GAry 7

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Tue, 03 Jul 2007 17:47:26 +0000

[...] Bad Astronomy reports on the possibility that Spitzer has seen the first stars ever. [...]

By: Lyle Gaulding

Lyle Gaulding — Tue, 03 Jul 2007 16:47:33 +0000

Sherlock Holmes’ ‘Eliminate the impossible, and what ever remains must be the truth.’ Assumes that one can reliably know what is the impossible.

By: chris

chris — Tue, 03 Jul 2007 15:55:06 +0000

i can imagine some how a creationist will work this into thier aganda and say this was the moment god said let there be light

this is becoming some of the most interesting fields of study into the evolution of the cosmos. its exciting to think what else thyele find

By: Joakim Rosqvist

Joakim Rosqvist — Tue, 03 Jul 2007 09:50:47 +0000

“Nothing can go as deep as Spitzer before 2013″, how about Herschel, (due to launch 2008)?

By: autumn

autumn — Tue, 03 Jul 2007 06:50:31 +0000

“I’d like to see some independent confirmation.”

Greatest phrase in the history of knowledge.

You are told something amazing by those whom you respect for their knowledge in the field discussed, and your reaction is one of cautious optimism.

Wow. I will constantly bring this post to the attention of those who parrot the idiocy that scientists accept data from other scientists uncritically. It will make no difference, but here is evidence of how science works.

By: Remek

Remek — Tue, 03 Jul 2007 03:57:20 +0000

Interesting intensity dispersion even that far back (if true, of course).

Next interesting study might be to compare the charted background microwave data with this new infrared data, and see how the two compare.