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		<title>By: forrest noble</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/07/02/first-light-confirmed/#comment-37364</link>
		<dc:creator>forrest noble</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Nov 2007 00:35:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe this is just another false start based upon the false premise of the universes age, 13.7 B years-- I believe, like many others,  based upon the large scale structures of the universe and stellar/ galactic age analysis, the universe is much older, therefore I suggest that we never could see the first light because it has dissipated long ago. There is also a good chance that the real first light was not even contained within the observable part of the universe. This observation could be a faint glimmer of a very distant galaxy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe this is just another false start based upon the false premise of the universes age, 13.7 B years&#8211; I believe, like many others,  based upon the large scale structures of the universe and stellar/ galactic age analysis, the universe is much older, therefore I suggest that we never could see the first light because it has dissipated long ago. There is also a good chance that the real first light was not even contained within the observable part of the universe. This observation could be a faint glimmer of a very distant galaxy.</p>
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		<title>By: Boredom Reigns &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Light From the First Stars</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/07/02/first-light-confirmed/#comment-37363</link>
		<dc:creator>Boredom Reigns &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Light From the First Stars</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Aug 2007 21:49:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Is this a glimpse back to the birth of the universe? Interesting to think about. Read more at Bad Astronomy. [...] </description>
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		<title>By: jadedcoder &#187; Light From the First Stars</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/07/02/first-light-confirmed/#comment-37362</link>
		<dc:creator>jadedcoder &#187; Light From the First Stars</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jul 2007 14:17:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Is this a glimpse back to the birth of the universe? Interesting to think about. Read more at Bad Astronomy. [...] </description>
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		<title>By: First Light at Cal Harding&#8217;s personal weblog</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/07/02/first-light-confirmed/#comment-37361</link>
		<dc:creator>First Light at Cal Harding&#8217;s personal weblog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jul 2007 13:38:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Buzz Parsec</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/07/02/first-light-confirmed/#comment-37344</link>
		<dc:creator>Buzz Parsec</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jul 2007 02:38:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Slang, I think we already have detected beyond first light.  My guess would be the CMB is older than these stars, even if they are the first...  The CMB is the (massively redshifted) light from the time the universe cooled below the ionization temperature of Hydrogen (~10,000 K, IIRC) and thus became transparent.  Clouds that hot are much too hot to collapse into stars.  I think the temperature would have to drop below a few hundred K to initiate star formation,
which would take millions of years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Slang, I think we already have detected beyond first light.  My guess would be the CMB is older than these stars, even if they are the first&#8230;  The CMB is the (massively redshifted) light from the time the universe cooled below the ionization temperature of Hydrogen (~10,000 K, IIRC) and thus became transparent.  Clouds that hot are much too hot to collapse into stars.  I think the temperature would have to drop below a few hundred K to initiate star formation,<br />
which would take millions of years.</p>
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		<title>By: slang</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/07/02/first-light-confirmed/#comment-37360</link>
		<dc:creator>slang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jul 2007 09:32:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Buzz Parsec Says: &quot;Of course, if you eliminate all the impossible things, and nothing is left, then you *know* youâ€™ve left something out :-)&quot;

No, that&#039;s when you become an atheist :)

Seriously though, I hope that in my lifetime we&#039;ll be able to see/detect beyond that first light..

Happy 4th!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Buzz Parsec Says: &#8220;Of course, if you eliminate all the impossible things, and nothing is left, then you *know* youâ€™ve left something out <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> &#8221;</p>
<p>No, that&#8217;s when you become an atheist <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Seriously though, I hope that in my lifetime we&#8217;ll be able to see/detect beyond that first light..</p>
<p>Happy 4th!</p>
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		<title>By: Buzz Parsec</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/07/02/first-light-confirmed/#comment-37359</link>
		<dc:creator>Buzz Parsec</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jul 2007 08:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lyle and Bearcub -

I also thought of Sherlock Holmes while reading BA&#039;s post. But I disagree a little bit...  It&#039;s easy (well, sometimes it&#039;s easy) to eliminate the impossible.  The hard part, I think BA is saying, is being sure that when you&#039;re down to one thing, that you haven&#039;t left anything out, something entirely else that you&#039;ve forgotten to include, not one of the impossible things that you&#039;ve already eliminated.  Of course, if you eliminate all the impossible things, and nothing is left, then you *know* you&#039;ve left something out :-)

BTW, I&#039;ve seen proof that since Conan Doyle, an extreme and documented irrationalist, couldn&#039;t have invented the supreme rationalist Sherlock Holmes, Holmes must have really existed, and, perhaps, Sir Arthur was in fact the fictional character.  :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lyle and Bearcub -</p>
<p>I also thought of Sherlock Holmes while reading BA&#8217;s post. But I disagree a little bit&#8230;  It&#8217;s easy (well, sometimes it&#8217;s easy) to eliminate the impossible.  The hard part, I think BA is saying, is being sure that when you&#8217;re down to one thing, that you haven&#8217;t left anything out, something entirely else that you&#8217;ve forgotten to include, not one of the impossible things that you&#8217;ve already eliminated.  Of course, if you eliminate all the impossible things, and nothing is left, then you *know* you&#8217;ve left something out <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>BTW, I&#8217;ve seen proof that since Conan Doyle, an extreme and documented irrationalist, couldn&#8217;t have invented the supreme rationalist Sherlock Holmes, Holmes must have really existed, and, perhaps, Sir Arthur was in fact the fictional character.  <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Hyper123.net &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Light from the First Stars in the universe?</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/07/02/first-light-confirmed/#comment-37358</link>
		<dc:creator>Hyper123.net &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Light from the First Stars in the universe?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jul 2007 05:44:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: jadedcoder &#187; Light From the First Stars</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/07/02/first-light-confirmed/#comment-37357</link>
		<dc:creator>jadedcoder &#187; Light From the First Stars</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jul 2007 05:24:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Vidyardhi Nanduri</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/07/02/first-light-confirmed/#comment-37356</link>
		<dc:creator>Vidyardhi Nanduri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jul 2007 02:13:28 +0000</pubDate>
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Knowledge Expansion
The Cosmic Puzzle attracts Scientists, Philosophers
and all mankind in several disciplines in search of divinity of the Human
Being and Nature.
Presently Cosmology is undergoing REVISION and BIG-BANG,
Dark Matter,DARK ENERGY and Black-holes are all under question.
Evolution needs to catch up with creation.
Why not Organise East West Interaction : Cosmology World Peace
and Search Cosmology Vedas Interlinks</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Floating Stars- How I wonder what you are ? Where lies the Mass and Gravity ! Where lies the Wisdom. You protect the Conscious Spirit of<br />
Knowledge Expansion<br />
The Cosmic Puzzle attracts Scientists, Philosophers<br />
and all mankind in several disciplines in search of divinity of the Human<br />
Being and Nature.<br />
Presently Cosmology is undergoing REVISION and BIG-BANG,<br />
Dark Matter,DARK ENERGY and Black-holes are all under question.<br />
Evolution needs to catch up with creation.<br />
Why not Organise East West Interaction : Cosmology World Peace<br />
and Search Cosmology Vedas Interlinks</p>
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