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	<description>I am an astronomer, writer, and skeptic. I likes reality the way it is, and I aims to keep it that way. My real name is Phil Plait, and I run the Bad Astronomy blog.</description>
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		<title>By: riversol</title>
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		<dc:creator>riversol</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jan 2008 03:28:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DVD viewing complete.  Yep, it&#039;s a Hollywood attempt to create a &quot;speculative fiction&quot; flick with enough drama to draw in the &quot;science-fantasy&quot; crowd.  The freezing in space cliche and oxygen fire suppression seemed to me the worst offending scenes.

Disjointed scenes and mediocre acting, however, probably wounded this film most. The horror aspect might have worked if they found a better cinematic technique than jumpy, blurry cuts....an edgy technique like the Japanese horror flicks Ju-on or Ringu perhaps.

Yet like others here, I felt the moive had enough &quot;wow factor&quot; space moments to make it thrilling, and occasionally thought provoking.

Wondering what other films out there people think are the best in the &quot;speculative fiction&quot; genre.

Both 2001 and 2010 were worthy.  Children of Men too.  I also liked The Fountain, though admittedly it has a good bit of sci-fantasy mixed throughout.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DVD viewing complete.  Yep, it&#8217;s a Hollywood attempt to create a &#8220;speculative fiction&#8221; flick with enough drama to draw in the &#8220;science-fantasy&#8221; crowd.  The freezing in space cliche and oxygen fire suppression seemed to me the worst offending scenes.</p>
<p>Disjointed scenes and mediocre acting, however, probably wounded this film most. The horror aspect might have worked if they found a better cinematic technique than jumpy, blurry cuts&#8230;.an edgy technique like the Japanese horror flicks Ju-on or Ringu perhaps.</p>
<p>Yet like others here, I felt the moive had enough &#8220;wow factor&#8221; space moments to make it thrilling, and occasionally thought provoking.</p>
<p>Wondering what other films out there people think are the best in the &#8220;speculative fiction&#8221; genre.</p>
<p>Both 2001 and 2010 were worthy.  Children of Men too.  I also liked The Fountain, though admittedly it has a good bit of sci-fantasy mixed throughout.</p>
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		<title>By: flak</title>
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		<dc:creator>flak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2008 01:08:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FINALLY got to see this DVD last night. My impressions? Very much like &#039;JCF&#039;s.&#039; Sure they never explain well why the sun is dying or how the &#039;stellar bomb&#039; is going to save it (outside of it &quot;creates a mini big-bang&quot; or something), and some of the science is a little iffy, but this movie is riveting. Its tense, sometimes creepy, often makes you wonder who and or what to trust, and in the end satisfying. Well worth the rental. A solid &#039;B&#039; grade movie (couldn&#039;t rate it higher becuase of the science stuff, just an extra 5 minutes of explanation would have made a world of difference there).
And why exactly is it anti-religious? I didn&#039;t get that at all. Just becuase the psycho ends up pontificating about god? Yeah, becuase that NEVER happens in real life...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FINALLY got to see this DVD last night. My impressions? Very much like &#8216;JCF&#8217;s.&#8217; Sure they never explain well why the sun is dying or how the &#8216;stellar bomb&#8217; is going to save it (outside of it &#8220;creates a mini big-bang&#8221; or something), and some of the science is a little iffy, but this movie is riveting. Its tense, sometimes creepy, often makes you wonder who and or what to trust, and in the end satisfying. Well worth the rental. A solid &#8216;B&#8217; grade movie (couldn&#8217;t rate it higher becuase of the science stuff, just an extra 5 minutes of explanation would have made a world of difference there).<br />
And why exactly is it anti-religious? I didn&#8217;t get that at all. Just becuase the psycho ends up pontificating about god? Yeah, becuase that NEVER happens in real life&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: JCF</title>
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		<dc:creator>JCF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Nov 2007 15:19:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hate to say it Phil, enjoyable movie as it was, your friend Brian Cox got it wrong. A nuclear bomb the size of manhattan would come nowhere close to being enough to ignite the sun. Billions of nuclear reactions of that size occur each second inside the sun, so the effect will be negligible. Secondly, you&#039;d need to ignite the thing at the core, not the surface.

Still a good movie with great effects and possibly the best natural disaster movie I&#039;ve seen. I typically hate the genre. But Sunshine combined the disaster with some Event Horizon horror-esque elements which worked well. I don&#039;t think I ever got bored during it. Great stuff, if you can look past the bad science.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hate to say it Phil, enjoyable movie as it was, your friend Brian Cox got it wrong. A nuclear bomb the size of manhattan would come nowhere close to being enough to ignite the sun. Billions of nuclear reactions of that size occur each second inside the sun, so the effect will be negligible. Secondly, you&#8217;d need to ignite the thing at the core, not the surface.</p>
<p>Still a good movie with great effects and possibly the best natural disaster movie I&#8217;ve seen. I typically hate the genre. But Sunshine combined the disaster with some Event Horizon horror-esque elements which worked well. I don&#8217;t think I ever got bored during it. Great stuff, if you can look past the bad science.</p>
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		<title>By: CERNite</title>
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		<dc:creator>CERNite</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2007 23:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Still no review? I guess the US passed this one by. No big loss IMHO. I agree with David, it was too grating to sit through all the stupidities of the plot as well as the bad science. The movie started fairly well if you put away your science IQ, but toward the end it fell apart. The cheap tricks like single frame shots of the Icarus 1 crew to try to make things spooky as well as the intentional blurring and insertion of nonsensical images when the Icarus 1 captain is trying to sabotage things, just made me feel the director was short of inspiration. Note that only on DVD can you actually clearly see that these tricks are being played on you (I actually found them very distracting and confusing). As a physicist (who works at CERN, by the way, but is in no way connected with this movie, thank God - oops, I mean Planck!), I would have normally liked having a physicist playing a lead role as good guy, but I felt more insulted than anything else since no self-respecting physicist would have ever volunteered for a such a ridiculous mission. The IMDB had this rated as 7.3, which prompted me to rent it. I was quite disappointed, I would rate it around 5-6. As for the anti-religious ending (which is maybe why it hasnt made the big time in the US), I found it corny, not philosophical. In fact it was so blatantly anti-God, it made me, an agnotic, embarrassed. I guess all of us agnostic or atheist scientists had better watch our backs, you never know when a colleague might go wacko and decide to kill everyone around them who is working against what they consider to be God&#039;s plans.
  As many have already said, its too bad good hard SF movies are so few and far between. I think they should have left the Q-balls on the pool table for this one...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Still no review? I guess the US passed this one by. No big loss IMHO. I agree with David, it was too grating to sit through all the stupidities of the plot as well as the bad science. The movie started fairly well if you put away your science IQ, but toward the end it fell apart. The cheap tricks like single frame shots of the Icarus 1 crew to try to make things spooky as well as the intentional blurring and insertion of nonsensical images when the Icarus 1 captain is trying to sabotage things, just made me feel the director was short of inspiration. Note that only on DVD can you actually clearly see that these tricks are being played on you (I actually found them very distracting and confusing). As a physicist (who works at CERN, by the way, but is in no way connected with this movie, thank God &#8211; oops, I mean Planck!), I would have normally liked having a physicist playing a lead role as good guy, but I felt more insulted than anything else since no self-respecting physicist would have ever volunteered for a such a ridiculous mission. The IMDB had this rated as 7.3, which prompted me to rent it. I was quite disappointed, I would rate it around 5-6. As for the anti-religious ending (which is maybe why it hasnt made the big time in the US), I found it corny, not philosophical. In fact it was so blatantly anti-God, it made me, an agnotic, embarrassed. I guess all of us agnostic or atheist scientists had better watch our backs, you never know when a colleague might go wacko and decide to kill everyone around them who is working against what they consider to be God&#8217;s plans.<br />
  As many have already said, its too bad good hard SF movies are so few and far between. I think they should have left the Q-balls on the pool table for this one&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Sep 2007 17:54:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This movie went far beyond bad astronomy (although it had plenty) into just not making sense.

Exactly what is the Q-ball supposed to be doing to the Sun?  Destroying it is supposed to not just stop the deterioration of solar output, but restore it to normal (see last scene).  So it seems that the Q-Ball is somehow just suppressing the energy producing reactions at the core.  However, we all know that it takes thousands of years for radiation to propagate from the core of the Sun to the surface.  So, it should take thousands of years to see any change after the Q-ball is destroyed.  Also, how is the bomb supposed to get anywhere near the core before it&#039;s vaporized? Why do they detonate it above the surface where it won&#039;t do any good?

Or, if the Q-ball is supposed to be orbiting inside the Sun sucking up enough matter to make a difference, how would destroying it be able to reverse the damage?  Also in that case, how would they find it?  They don&#039;t seem to make any attempt to do so.

Then there&#039;s the bomb which has the mass of Manhattan Island.  Where did humans get the technology to send that much mass to the Sun?  Or even to build a spaceship that large? And if they have it, wouldn&#039;t they have sent a somewhat larger crew, like maybe hundreds?  Why would they bother with the farm when the mass of the required life support expendables would be negligible compared to the bomb?  Or why not send a slow robot ship with the bomb, then follow up with some faster ships with people (if they are really needed for anything other than screwing up)?

And how about those &quot;fissionables&quot;?   We are told that all of the Earth&#039;s fissionables (Brian Cox says uranium) have been extracted in 50 years.  How did they manage that?  Does it include the uranium in the oceans?  Did they set up giant breeder reactors also?  More to the point, once they had all that uranium/whatever, why not just use it to power civilization, instead of betting on this crazy Sun-saving mission?  That would have been an especially good idea after losing half of it on the first attempt.  Which reminds me, wouldn&#039;t it have made sense to at least send a few extra ships full of crazy astronauts to see what happened to the &quot;Icarus I&quot;, and maybe try to salvage the bomb?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This movie went far beyond bad astronomy (although it had plenty) into just not making sense.</p>
<p>Exactly what is the Q-ball supposed to be doing to the Sun?  Destroying it is supposed to not just stop the deterioration of solar output, but restore it to normal (see last scene).  So it seems that the Q-Ball is somehow just suppressing the energy producing reactions at the core.  However, we all know that it takes thousands of years for radiation to propagate from the core of the Sun to the surface.  So, it should take thousands of years to see any change after the Q-ball is destroyed.  Also, how is the bomb supposed to get anywhere near the core before it&#8217;s vaporized? Why do they detonate it above the surface where it won&#8217;t do any good?</p>
<p>Or, if the Q-ball is supposed to be orbiting inside the Sun sucking up enough matter to make a difference, how would destroying it be able to reverse the damage?  Also in that case, how would they find it?  They don&#8217;t seem to make any attempt to do so.</p>
<p>Then there&#8217;s the bomb which has the mass of Manhattan Island.  Where did humans get the technology to send that much mass to the Sun?  Or even to build a spaceship that large? And if they have it, wouldn&#8217;t they have sent a somewhat larger crew, like maybe hundreds?  Why would they bother with the farm when the mass of the required life support expendables would be negligible compared to the bomb?  Or why not send a slow robot ship with the bomb, then follow up with some faster ships with people (if they are really needed for anything other than screwing up)?</p>
<p>And how about those &#8220;fissionables&#8221;?   We are told that all of the Earth&#8217;s fissionables (Brian Cox says uranium) have been extracted in 50 years.  How did they manage that?  Does it include the uranium in the oceans?  Did they set up giant breeder reactors also?  More to the point, once they had all that uranium/whatever, why not just use it to power civilization, instead of betting on this crazy Sun-saving mission?  That would have been an especially good idea after losing half of it on the first attempt.  Which reminds me, wouldn&#8217;t it have made sense to at least send a few extra ships full of crazy astronauts to see what happened to the &#8220;Icarus I&#8221;, and maybe try to salvage the bomb?</p>
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		<title>By: Christian Burnham</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christian Burnham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Aug 2007 04:31:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I loved the photography, the sound and the acting.  Some great special effects for a medium budget movie.

It would have been so much better in zero-gravity.  Is it really that hard to do realistic zero-gravity in movies these days?

I did appreciate that the physicist got to be the good looking hero.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I loved the photography, the sound and the acting.  Some great special effects for a medium budget movie.</p>
<p>It would have been so much better in zero-gravity.  Is it really that hard to do realistic zero-gravity in movies these days?</p>
<p>I did appreciate that the physicist got to be the good looking hero.</p>
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		<title>By: Jacks of Science &#187; Blog Archive &#187; The Sun is Shining</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jacks of Science &#187; Blog Archive &#187; The Sun is Shining</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Aug 2007 20:01:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] was waiting for this movie to be reviewed by Phil Plait at Bad Astronomy, but he hasn&#039;t seen it yet! After I saw the movie I was desperate for some scientific critique but even the SEED review was [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Peter J.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter J.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jul 2007 18:08:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would agree that &quot;Sunshine&quot; has it&#039;s problems;  the science is weak (although I didn&#039;t notice that much), the last act is a bit off, some effects are overused.  But in comparison to the likes of Armageddon or the Core or the crap that&#039;s out this summer (Transformers), it&#039;s brilliant!  It is a philosophical movie (brilliant minds making mistakes in harsh circumstances, who draws the shortest straw, etc), and although the &quot;horror&quot; aspect in the last half was generally disliked, I simply saw it as a logical progression from the issues exhibited earlier in the film (imagine if Searle had kept going down the same path).  Danny Boyle is also just brilliant in his use of pace, tension, and claustrophobia juxtaposed with the existential musings of the crew.

Plus, visually beautiful.  The busy, corporate whored effects of Transformers can kiss my...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would agree that &#8220;Sunshine&#8221; has it&#8217;s problems;  the science is weak (although I didn&#8217;t notice that much), the last act is a bit off, some effects are overused.  But in comparison to the likes of Armageddon or the Core or the crap that&#8217;s out this summer (Transformers), it&#8217;s brilliant!  It is a philosophical movie (brilliant minds making mistakes in harsh circumstances, who draws the shortest straw, etc), and although the &#8220;horror&#8221; aspect in the last half was generally disliked, I simply saw it as a logical progression from the issues exhibited earlier in the film (imagine if Searle had kept going down the same path).  Danny Boyle is also just brilliant in his use of pace, tension, and claustrophobia juxtaposed with the existential musings of the crew.</p>
<p>Plus, visually beautiful.  The busy, corporate whored effects of Transformers can kiss my&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Ian Davidson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ian Davidson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jul 2007 17:30:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve seen the film. One thing that I noticed about this film is that it&#039;s more of a philisophical movie than a sci-fi flick. The movie isn&#039;t about amazing feats of engineering or technology, most of those accomplishments aren&#039;t explained and are assumed to be taken for granted. My opinion is that this movie is about each of the crew members. It&#039;s about their struggle with their situation. How the rationalize, how they cope....and how they die. Don&#039;t freak out, that isn&#039;t really a spoiler, it&#039;s in the ads for it on this very page actually. The makers of the film wanted that to be apparent from the git go it seems.

I saw a quite poor video/audio quality copy of this film but it&#039;s style was still very impressive.

I give it a 5/5, no a 10/10... :-Ã¾</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve seen the film. One thing that I noticed about this film is that it&#8217;s more of a philisophical movie than a sci-fi flick. The movie isn&#8217;t about amazing feats of engineering or technology, most of those accomplishments aren&#8217;t explained and are assumed to be taken for granted. My opinion is that this movie is about each of the crew members. It&#8217;s about their struggle with their situation. How the rationalize, how they cope&#8230;.and how they die. Don&#8217;t freak out, that isn&#8217;t really a spoiler, it&#8217;s in the ads for it on this very page actually. The makers of the film wanted that to be apparent from the git go it seems.</p>
<p>I saw a quite poor video/audio quality copy of this film but it&#8217;s style was still very impressive.</p>
<p>I give it a 5/5, no a 10/10&#8230; :-Ã¾</p>
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		<title>By: CR</title>
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		<dc:creator>CR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jul 2007 04:53:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gia said &quot;One â€˜badâ€™ review I read of â€˜Sunshineâ€™ said something like, â€˜Watching it made me realise how small and insignificant we all are, how giant, powerful and magestic the universe is and how we donâ€™t really matter in the grand scheme of things. I hated it.â€™ &quot; That&#039;s funny!

I wonder if there&#039;s going to be (or already is) a backlash from the religious section of society, proclaiming what an evil film this is because it dares to present atheism/atheists prominently, and even had people &#039;convert&#039; to atheism while it was being filmed. (Yet we&#039;re all supposed to blindly accept any religious stuff in films as not only OK, but right.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gia said &#8220;One â€˜badâ€™ review I read of â€˜Sunshineâ€™ said something like, â€˜Watching it made me realise how small and insignificant we all are, how giant, powerful and magestic the universe is and how we donâ€™t really matter in the grand scheme of things. I hated it.â€™ &#8221; That&#8217;s funny!</p>
<p>I wonder if there&#8217;s going to be (or already is) a backlash from the religious section of society, proclaiming what an evil film this is because it dares to present atheism/atheists prominently, and even had people &#8216;convert&#8217; to atheism while it was being filmed. (Yet we&#8217;re all supposed to blindly accept any religious stuff in films as not only OK, but right.)</p>
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		<title>By: Gia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jul 2007 23:23:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Greg, the thing about &#039;art&#039;, in a broad sense, is that different people get different things out of it. I think Beethoven is boring. I love Bach. I don&#039;t like heavy metal music. The Dead Kennedys are brilliant. I&#039;m not interested in ballet. I love watching ballroom dancers. Salvidor Dali is overrated. Picasso was a genius. The Rolling Stones are boring. The Beatles were the best band ever.

None of those opinions are &#039;right&#039;, but they *are* mine. ;)

I agree with Mark Martin, it&#039;s an existentialist thriller moreso than a modern sci-fi. I think it harks back to sci-fi from the &#039;olden days&#039; which used extraordinary circumstances to address different issues. The issues Sunshine addresses are morals vs logic, intelligence vs violence, the desire to know vs the desire to believe... and the value of one human life compared to Humanity as a whole...

Ken G asked &quot;Did the message fail so badly, or have we just become so jaded that we can no longer see a sincere effort to depict science in the light it was intended?&quot;

I think Sunshine is a bit of a mirror. If you don&#039;t have an existential bone in your body, then you just won&#039;t see anything in it, irrespective of whether you like looking at the stars or not. The message in Sunshine didn&#039;t &#039;fail&#039; - I know loads of people who have been completely and utterly blown away by the film - but sometimes people just aren&#039;t looking for that message. Fair enough.

One &#039;bad&#039; review I read of &#039;Sunshine&#039; said something like, &#039;Watching it made me realise how small and insignificant we all are, how giant, powerful and magestic the universe is and how we don&#039;t really matter in the grand scheme of things. I hated it.&#039;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greg, the thing about &#8216;art&#8217;, in a broad sense, is that different people get different things out of it. I think Beethoven is boring. I love Bach. I don&#8217;t like heavy metal music. The Dead Kennedys are brilliant. I&#8217;m not interested in ballet. I love watching ballroom dancers. Salvidor Dali is overrated. Picasso was a genius. The Rolling Stones are boring. The Beatles were the best band ever.</p>
<p>None of those opinions are &#8216;right&#8217;, but they *are* mine. <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I agree with Mark Martin, it&#8217;s an existentialist thriller moreso than a modern sci-fi. I think it harks back to sci-fi from the &#8216;olden days&#8217; which used extraordinary circumstances to address different issues. The issues Sunshine addresses are morals vs logic, intelligence vs violence, the desire to know vs the desire to believe&#8230; and the value of one human life compared to Humanity as a whole&#8230;</p>
<p>Ken G asked &#8220;Did the message fail so badly, or have we just become so jaded that we can no longer see a sincere effort to depict science in the light it was intended?&#8221;</p>
<p>I think Sunshine is a bit of a mirror. If you don&#8217;t have an existential bone in your body, then you just won&#8217;t see anything in it, irrespective of whether you like looking at the stars or not. The message in Sunshine didn&#8217;t &#8216;fail&#8217; &#8211; I know loads of people who have been completely and utterly blown away by the film &#8211; but sometimes people just aren&#8217;t looking for that message. Fair enough.</p>
<p>One &#8216;bad&#8217; review I read of &#8216;Sunshine&#8217; said something like, &#8216;Watching it made me realise how small and insignificant we all are, how giant, powerful and magestic the universe is and how we don&#8217;t really matter in the grand scheme of things. I hated it.&#8217; <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Greg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jul 2007 18:13:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s a terrible movie.  The plot moves from point to point entirely on the stupid decisions of those involved.  The science is horrid and is made even worse by the idea that there were actual consultations about the science with professionals, and they still got it wrong every time they could.

The people in the movie are mere charicatures, not characters, and the movie feels like a video game from start to finish, even featuring an &quot;end boss.&quot;

Gia, just because a movie presents scientists in a positive light does not mean it is a good movie.  This one isn&#039;t.</description>
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<p>The people in the movie are mere charicatures, not characters, and the movie feels like a video game from start to finish, even featuring an &#8220;end boss.&#8221;</p>
<p>Gia, just because a movie presents scientists in a positive light does not mean it is a good movie.  This one isn&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>By: CR</title>
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		<dc:creator>CR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jul 2007 17:21:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m a bit hesitant to see a slasher flick (or even a film with slasher tendencies), but Gia&#039;s comments do have me wanting to see this. I may not see it in the cinema (if it even plays in a ciname near me), but I&#039;ll check it out on dvd when the time comes.

I don&#039;t want to know if everyone in the crew (or for that matter, on Earth) dies by the end of the film, but the &quot;everyone dies eventually&quot; argument is pretty lame, because it&#039;s so obvious. I think we all KNOW that everyone dies eventually. If, however, that&#039;s actually the point of the film, that we all die, but what we do in life can make a difference to those living, I guess I see the point of bringing it up that way.

Anyway, I guess I&#039;ll know soon enough how the film is, and it&#039;s all about. (Unless, of course, I die first. Whee, what a charming thought.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a bit hesitant to see a slasher flick (or even a film with slasher tendencies), but Gia&#8217;s comments do have me wanting to see this. I may not see it in the cinema (if it even plays in a ciname near me), but I&#8217;ll check it out on dvd when the time comes.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t want to know if everyone in the crew (or for that matter, on Earth) dies by the end of the film, but the &#8220;everyone dies eventually&#8221; argument is pretty lame, because it&#8217;s so obvious. I think we all KNOW that everyone dies eventually. If, however, that&#8217;s actually the point of the film, that we all die, but what we do in life can make a difference to those living, I guess I see the point of bringing it up that way.</p>
<p>Anyway, I guess I&#8217;ll know soon enough how the film is, and it&#8217;s all about. (Unless, of course, I die first. Whee, what a charming thought.)</p>
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		<title>By: Ken G</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ken G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jul 2007 15:21:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting analysis Gia, you have made me want to see the film despite the bad rap it&#039;s getting here.  Indeed I&#039;m very curious how one person could have seen what is obviously the intended &quot;message&quot; of the film, while the rest, among those who should be sympathetic to that message, did not.  Did the message fail so badly, or have we just become so jaded that we can no longer see a sincere effort to depict science in the light it was intended?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting analysis Gia, you have made me want to see the film despite the bad rap it&#8217;s getting here.  Indeed I&#8217;m very curious how one person could have seen what is obviously the intended &#8220;message&#8221; of the film, while the rest, among those who should be sympathetic to that message, did not.  Did the message fail so badly, or have we just become so jaded that we can no longer see a sincere effort to depict science in the light it was intended?</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Martin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jul 2007 14:17:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I personally wouldn&#039;t call it a psychological thriller. I would call it an existentialist thriller, an allegory of the human circumstance.</description>
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		<title>By: AGeek</title>
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		<dc:creator>AGeek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jul 2007 10:51:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I saw it. It sucks, big time. Not because of questionable science, but because it is a &quot;psychological&quot; thriller (and &quot;slasher&quot;, complete with knives) which just happens to be set in space. As I generally loathe that genre, I loathe this movie. Go see Harry Potter or something, it can&#039;t possibly be any worse.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I saw it. It sucks, big time. Not because of questionable science, but because it is a &#8220;psychological&#8221; thriller (and &#8220;slasher&#8221;, complete with knives) which just happens to be set in space. As I generally loathe that genre, I loathe this movie. Go see Harry Potter or something, it can&#8217;t possibly be any worse.</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick Pierce</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patrick Pierce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jul 2007 09:49:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the info Mark, unfortunately its not playing here in San Diego.  Thanks anyways.  Is it expected to be released later for a wider distribution?</description>
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		<title>By: Teri</title>
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		<dc:creator>Teri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jul 2007 05:28:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From the Ebert review, referring to Brian Cox and the science in the film...

&quot;Considering that the movie is set only 50 years in the future, the sun seems to be dying several billion years prematurely, especially in a &quot;hard&quot; (i.e., quasi-plausible) science-fiction film. Man, am I glad I didn&#039;t go off on a rant about that before learning that the film&#039;s science adviser, Dr. Brian Cox of CERN (Conseil Europeen Pour le Recherche Nucleaire [European Laboratory for Particle Physics]), thought of it, too.

The sun is not &quot;dying in the normal sense,&quot; IMDb.com reports, but in the Cox scenario &quot;has instead been &#039;infected&#039; with a &#039;Q-ball&#039; -- a supersymetric nucleus, left over from the Big Bang...that is disrupting the normal matter. This is a theoretical particle that scientists at CERN are currently trying to confirm -- the film&#039;s bomb is meant to blast the Q-ball to its constituent parts, which will then naturally decay, allowing the sun to return to normal.&quot;

I&#039;ll buy that. Blasting a Q-ball to its constituent parts sounds normal to me, but then I read every sci-fi magazine published during my adolescence, and my hero was John W. Campbell Jr., the editor of Astounding/Analog, who insisted his fiction not be preposterous, but sensible and possible, such as a mission to the sun to blast a Q-ball to pieces.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From the Ebert review, referring to Brian Cox and the science in the film&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8220;Considering that the movie is set only 50 years in the future, the sun seems to be dying several billion years prematurely, especially in a &#8220;hard&#8221; (i.e., quasi-plausible) science-fiction film. Man, am I glad I didn&#8217;t go off on a rant about that before learning that the film&#8217;s science adviser, Dr. Brian Cox of CERN (Conseil Europeen Pour le Recherche Nucleaire [European Laboratory for Particle Physics]), thought of it, too.</p>
<p>The sun is not &#8220;dying in the normal sense,&#8221; IMDb.com reports, but in the Cox scenario &#8220;has instead been &#8216;infected&#8217; with a &#8216;Q-ball&#8217; &#8212; a supersymetric nucleus, left over from the Big Bang&#8230;that is disrupting the normal matter. This is a theoretical particle that scientists at CERN are currently trying to confirm &#8212; the film&#8217;s bomb is meant to blast the Q-ball to its constituent parts, which will then naturally decay, allowing the sun to return to normal.&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll buy that. Blasting a Q-ball to its constituent parts sounds normal to me, but then I read every sci-fi magazine published during my adolescence, and my hero was John W. Campbell Jr., the editor of Astounding/Analog, who insisted his fiction not be preposterous, but sensible and possible, such as a mission to the sun to blast a Q-ball to pieces.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Martin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jul 2007 01:14:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In fact, there appears to be one this coming Wednesday at 7:30 in Denver.</description>
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		<title>By: Mark Martin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jul 2007 01:12:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Phil, if you go here, http://www.foxsearchlight.com/sunshine/, there&#039;s a link which will give you places &amp; times for free public screenings of Sunshine in the U.S.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Phil, if you go here, <a href="http://www.foxsearchlight.com/sunshine/" rel="nofollow">http://www.foxsearchlight.com/sunshine/</a>, there&#8217;s a link which will give you places &amp; times for free public screenings of Sunshine in the U.S.</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick Pierce</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patrick Pierce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jul 2007 19:36:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe if they had made this movie into a 2.5 hour long commercial like that suckfest transformers movie we would be able to see it here in the states.  Yeah, it does look like a bad movie, but still I wish i could see it here.  I bet if they CGIed a Mountain Dew slogan on the side of the spacecraft they would release it here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe if they had made this movie into a 2.5 hour long commercial like that suckfest transformers movie we would be able to see it here in the states.  Yeah, it does look like a bad movie, but still I wish i could see it here.  I bet if they CGIed a Mountain Dew slogan on the side of the spacecraft they would release it here.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Martin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jul 2007 19:18:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thomas,

I&#039;m not sure I&#039;d exactly call it a ten-little-indians type thing either. It&#039;s just that the thesis has to do with the temporariness of us and the World. Over on IMDB a number of people have asked, &quot;Does everyone [in the crew] die?&quot; A number of times I&#039;ve replied that &quot;Everyone dies. Even had one or more of the characters been left alive at story&#039;s end, the fact remains that way past that end, those characters will eventually be dead, of violence, old age, of something. No one makes it out intact.&quot;</description>
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<p>I&#8217;m not sure I&#8217;d exactly call it a ten-little-indians type thing either. It&#8217;s just that the thesis has to do with the temporariness of us and the World. Over on IMDB a number of people have asked, &#8220;Does everyone [in the crew] die?&#8221; A number of times I&#8217;ve replied that &#8220;Everyone dies. Even had one or more of the characters been left alive at story&#8217;s end, the fact remains that way past that end, those characters will eventually be dead, of violence, old age, of something. No one makes it out intact.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Osmo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Osmo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jul 2007 18:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is better to have something than nothing at all. Are there any really good scifi movies at all?

It would be nice to see one, but the main point is that they do not seem to exist, so it is good to have at least something...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is better to have something than nothing at all. Are there any really good scifi movies at all?</p>
<p>It would be nice to see one, but the main point is that they do not seem to exist, so it is good to have at least something&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas Siefert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thomas Siefert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jul 2007 18:07:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s a Ten-Little-Native-Americans flick set on a spaceship then?</description>
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		<title>By: Mark Martin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jul 2007 17:48:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CR,

It&#039;s not really a slasher flick, though (as the American ad campaign now makes clear) all the crew do die off one by one in various circumstances.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CR,</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not really a slasher flick, though (as the American ad campaign now makes clear) all the crew do die off one by one in various circumstances.</p>
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