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By: Exasperated Calculator » Blog Archive » Sorry UFO believers

Exasperated Calculator » Blog Archive » Sorry UFO believers — Sat, 04 Aug 2007 04:07:50 +0000

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By: Jim Frost

Jim Frost — Wed, 01 Aug 2007 02:22:33 +0000

Once again we have the typical skeptics spewing forth the constant mission impossible scenario. Phil and his misinformed but always so well informed (not)… wanna be scientists and wanna be astronomers pleading the never never case but really not studying the facts. Sure there may not be aliens falling from the sky, and sure the mj documents may not be real. Unfortunately for you debunkers concrete visual evidence of UFOs are real. Just ask, Gov. Fife Symington, Astronaut Dr. Edgar Mitchell, Russian General Leonid Alexive, President Jimmy Carter(Yes so dont have a yak attack). Former U.K. Admiral of defense Lord Hill Norton, Astronaut Col. Gordon Cooper Former White House Chief of Staff John Podesta as well as at least 50 other military and commercial pilots who are willing to testify (besides Pres Carter and Russian General) to congress in order to declassify top secret documents relating to information concerning UFOs. Pres Bush has recently refused (of course) immunity to any witnesses concerning the release of those documents…So before you debunkers spew the typical answers, why dont you research the info I have given you before the old swamp gas answer…….This is 5 years after Out of the Blue by the way

By: Just Al

Just Al — Thu, 26 Jul 2007 07:12:32 +0000

I suppose I’m among those who are surprised that anyone is still messing about with the MJ-12 garbage. They’d been trashed by the time I even heard of them, on the circumstances of their appearance alone, much less the little things like all being typed on the same typrewriter and using photocopies of the President’s signature. The only people who still considered them a “smoking gun” were also impressed by the veracity of Betty & Barney Hill, I suspect.

By: Paul Riddell

Paul Riddell — Wed, 25 Jul 2007 23:28:52 +0000

I have to agree with DisownedSky: while it’s no surprise that the MJ-12 papers were hoaxes (and everyone completely forgets the ridiculous “Investigating UFO Abductions…LIVE!” TV one-shot that appeared in 1988 where Moore and Friedman claimed to have backup from two spooks who allegedly oversaw the aliens and fed them strawberry ice cream) and really poorly designed ones, rebuttals from bad sources are just as…well, bad. While it’s great to hear that someone else agrees with us, I don’t trust any source who uses PRWeb to sell both this presentation and his new book. Now, if he’s willing to submit a paper to a peer-reviewed journal, I’d worry less about how this might be a case of yet another UFO crank attempting to get “validation” by selectively quoting skeptics’ kind words in response to a relatively legit bit of research.

By: Ryan

Ryan — Wed, 25 Jul 2007 21:02:49 +0000

While I’m convinced the whole UFO nonsense is just that, I have to wonder at the accuracy of this ‘ALIAS’ program. I’d hardly call this the smoking gun (or … anti-smoking-gun… gun-de-smoker…?)

By: DisownedSky

DisownedSky — Wed, 25 Jul 2007 20:04:54 +0000

Computer text analysis is fraught with assumptions and limitations. Whilst the MJ-12 documents may well be hoaxed (there are lots of other UFO documents that are also hoaxes), no one should think that this non peer-reviewed study is definitive.

By: MichaelS

MichaelS — Wed, 25 Jul 2007 16:51:09 +0000

As Dune said, I’d be very skeptical if anybody claimed one person wrote any government document on extraterrestrials. I recently wrote a request for people to be appointed for certain jobs (something they were required to do by regs) and copies of the appointment letters. That simple request letter got edited by 3 people before it got to my destination.

I’d by surprised if any signed, presidential document got through without being edited by multiple people, and I’d put money that any classified document signed by the president was written almost entirely by someone else, reviewed by the president then signed. The odds aren’t too bad that the president didn’t even read it first–just scanned it for general content and assumed that it said was it was supposed to say.