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	<title>Comments on: Did life here begin out there?</title>
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	<description>I am an astronomer, writer, and skeptic. I likes reality the way it is, and I aims to keep it that way. My real name is Phil Plait, and I run the Bad Astronomy blog.</description>
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		<title>By: SCR</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/08/07/did-life-here-begin-out-there/comment-page-1/#comment-44836</link>
		<dc:creator>SCR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Aug 2007 18:02:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To clarify : &quot;Panspermia in which life is derived from a common source may - if true - make us more vulnerable to alien plagues. &quot;

Because if we&#039;re more closely rather than less closely related there&#039;s a greater chance such exo-biotes (alien living things) could adapt to or survive &amp; reproduce inside our bodies.

If, for instance, we&#039;re both carbon-&amp;-water, DNA-RNA sugar &amp; light feeding organisms rather than say us being  carbon-&amp;-water, DNA-RNA sugar &amp; light feeding organisms but them being, say, LiNeFlHg* based silicate &amp; gamma ray feeding organisms clearly the chances of them being compatible and able to cause disease(s) in us is vastly greater.
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*  LiNeFlHg -based = Lithium Neon Fluorine Mercury based living creatures! An unlikely blend of exotic elements for life because of rareity and less reactive / more reactive chemical factors I know. I&#039;m not postulating such alternative life merely a hypothetical example but ...
a-n-y-w-a-y ... You get my point I hope.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To clarify : &#8220;Panspermia in which life is derived from a common source may &#8211; if true &#8211; make us more vulnerable to alien plagues. &#8221;</p>
<p>Because if we&#8217;re more closely rather than less closely related there&#8217;s a greater chance such exo-biotes (alien living things) could adapt to or survive &amp; reproduce inside our bodies.</p>
<p>If, for instance, we&#8217;re both carbon-&amp;-water, DNA-RNA sugar &amp; light feeding organisms rather than say us being  carbon-&amp;-water, DNA-RNA sugar &amp; light feeding organisms but them being, say, LiNeFlHg* based silicate &amp; gamma ray feeding organisms clearly the chances of them being compatible and able to cause disease(s) in us is vastly greater.<br />
&#8212;-<br />
*  LiNeFlHg -based = Lithium Neon Fluorine Mercury based living creatures! An unlikely blend of exotic elements for life because of rareity and less reactive / more reactive chemical factors I know. I&#8217;m not postulating such alternative life merely a hypothetical example but &#8230;<br />
a-n-y-w-a-y &#8230; You get my point I hope.</p>
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		<title>By: SCR</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/08/07/did-life-here-begin-out-there/comment-page-1/#comment-44835</link>
		<dc:creator>SCR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Aug 2007 17:50:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;# VisionEngineer asked on 08 Aug 2007 at 9:30 am :

&quot;I was wondering: Could it be dangerous to revive microbes from millions of years ago to which humans have never been exposed? I would think that this would have to be done with very careful control to remove the the risk of the microbes leaving the laboratory.&quot;

It would be I&#039;d expect.

But the danger is probbaly unlikely as humans and such microbes (nanobes /virii) would (most likely) be so vastly different as to be just too incompatible for creating diseases in each other.

Parasites - even virii - depend on adapting to and living within (&amp; exploiting for reproduction)  - their hosts - it seems most probable alien organisms will be incapable of doing this.

Panspermia in which life is derived from a common source may if true make us more vulnerable. Hoyle is a pretty smart bloke and a good writer but I remain unconvinced if intrigued by his arguments - I have read his book (co-written with Wickramasinghe - spelling?) many, many years  ago.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;# VisionEngineer asked on 08 Aug 2007 at 9:30 am :</p>
<p>&#8220;I was wondering: Could it be dangerous to revive microbes from millions of years ago to which humans have never been exposed? I would think that this would have to be done with very careful control to remove the the risk of the microbes leaving the laboratory.&#8221;</p>
<p>It would be I&#8217;d expect.</p>
<p>But the danger is probbaly unlikely as humans and such microbes (nanobes /virii) would (most likely) be so vastly different as to be just too incompatible for creating diseases in each other.</p>
<p>Parasites &#8211; even virii &#8211; depend on adapting to and living within (&amp; exploiting for reproduction)  &#8211; their hosts &#8211; it seems most probable alien organisms will be incapable of doing this.</p>
<p>Panspermia in which life is derived from a common source may if true make us more vulnerable. Hoyle is a pretty smart bloke and a good writer but I remain unconvinced if intrigued by his arguments &#8211; I have read his book (co-written with Wickramasinghe &#8211; spelling?) many, many years  ago.</p>
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		<title>By: SCR</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/08/07/did-life-here-begin-out-there/comment-page-1/#comment-44834</link>
		<dc:creator>SCR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Aug 2007 17:41:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mars and Venus at the time life arose were both possibly more habitable and better for life arising than Earth.

Venus had a nice protective atmosphere, extra heat and warmth - and oceans.

Mars had a nicely warm if cooling surface, thin but better than todays atmosphere with oceans, lakes and glaciers plus a shallow gravity well allowing material to be blasted off into space releatively easily.

Erah had suffered a mammoth impact (forming our Moon) was molten or just highly geologically active with a thick poisonous atmosphere, deep gravity well and oceans.

Later on, mind  you, Earth froze into an enormous snowball, Mars lost its air and activity and chilled whilst Venus overheated &amp; turned into a toxic pressure-cooker. Earth recovered - its planetary neighbours well ... didn&#039;t.

But all three of those worlds could have been the origin for simple life living in _very_ different conditions from today.

Perhaps all three of them were.

I think comets *may* have carried ammino acids and protein-carbon chains to Earth. I think its likely life _could&#039;ve_ emigratedfrommars to Earth via meterorite. Life *could&#039;ve* begun in molecular clouds on small grains of dust drifting in the void.

All speculative and plausible rather than proven but interesting.

&amp; wasn&#039;t Svante Arrhenius or somebody like him  (spelling?) the originator of that panspermia idea - as well as first noting the Greenhouse effect?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mars and Venus at the time life arose were both possibly more habitable and better for life arising than Earth.</p>
<p>Venus had a nice protective atmosphere, extra heat and warmth &#8211; and oceans.</p>
<p>Mars had a nicely warm if cooling surface, thin but better than todays atmosphere with oceans, lakes and glaciers plus a shallow gravity well allowing material to be blasted off into space releatively easily.</p>
<p>Erah had suffered a mammoth impact (forming our Moon) was molten or just highly geologically active with a thick poisonous atmosphere, deep gravity well and oceans.</p>
<p>Later on, mind  you, Earth froze into an enormous snowball, Mars lost its air and activity and chilled whilst Venus overheated &amp; turned into a toxic pressure-cooker. Earth recovered &#8211; its planetary neighbours well &#8230; didn&#8217;t.</p>
<p>But all three of those worlds could have been the origin for simple life living in _very_ different conditions from today.</p>
<p>Perhaps all three of them were.</p>
<p>I think comets *may* have carried ammino acids and protein-carbon chains to Earth. I think its likely life _could&#8217;ve_ emigratedfrommars to Earth via meterorite. Life *could&#8217;ve* begun in molecular clouds on small grains of dust drifting in the void.</p>
<p>All speculative and plausible rather than proven but interesting.</p>
<p>&amp; wasn&#8217;t Svante Arrhenius or somebody like him  (spelling?) the originator of that panspermia idea &#8211; as well as first noting the Greenhouse effect?</p>
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		<title>By: VisionEngineer</title>
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		<dc:creator>VisionEngineer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Aug 2007 15:30:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John Krehbiel:  Yes, the surveyor camera recovered by Apollo 12 had 50-100 microbes that survived for nearly 3 years on the moon.  The microbes were given the proper environment and nutrients and then began to multiply.  The microbes had survived the pre-launch testing, vacuum of space, radiation, extreme cold, and no water or nutrients.  Pretty amazing.

I was wondering:  Could it be dangerous to revive microbes from millions of years ago to which humans have never been exposed?  I would think that this would have to be done with very careful control to remove the the risk of the microbes leaving the laboratory.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John Krehbiel:  Yes, the surveyor camera recovered by Apollo 12 had 50-100 microbes that survived for nearly 3 years on the moon.  The microbes were given the proper environment and nutrients and then began to multiply.  The microbes had survived the pre-launch testing, vacuum of space, radiation, extreme cold, and no water or nutrients.  Pretty amazing.</p>
<p>I was wondering:  Could it be dangerous to revive microbes from millions of years ago to which humans have never been exposed?  I would think that this would have to be done with very careful control to remove the the risk of the microbes leaving the laboratory.</p>
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		<title>By: Darth Robo</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/08/07/did-life-here-begin-out-there/comment-page-1/#comment-44832</link>
		<dc:creator>Darth Robo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Aug 2007 15:23:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;did anyone watch BBC2 (UK) last night, 7.30pm?&quot;

Oh man, I wish I knew that was on!  :(

Don&#039;t suppose the programme can be watched online?  Not that I&#039;ll be able to watch it &#039;till I get my net @ home fixed...

:(</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;did anyone watch BBC2 (UK) last night, 7.30pm?&#8221;</p>
<p>Oh man, I wish I knew that was on!  <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Don&#8217;t suppose the programme can be watched online?  Not that I&#8217;ll be able to watch it &#8217;till I get my net @ home fixed&#8230;<br />
 <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: John Krehbiel</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/08/07/did-life-here-begin-out-there/comment-page-1/#comment-44831</link>
		<dc:creator>John Krehbiel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Aug 2007 14:57:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wasn&#039;t there live bacteria in the Surveyor camera brought back from the Moon?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wasn&#8217;t there live bacteria in the Surveyor camera brought back from the Moon?</p>
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		<title>By: Sticks</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sticks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Aug 2007 13:55:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tony is correct

Panspermia is one big cop out

&lt;b&gt;Q&lt;/b&gt; &quot;So how did life arise on the Earth&quot;
&lt;b&gt;A&lt;/b&gt; &quot;It came from another planet but managed to get here by a comet&quot;
&lt;b&gt;Q&lt;/b&gt; &quot;So how did it arise there then&quot;
&lt;b&gt;A&lt;/b&gt;&quot;Oh it didn&#039;t, it came from another planet and was lanted on that planet&quot;
&lt;i&gt;&lt;b&gt;Q&lt;/b&gt;gives up as he can see where this is headed&lt;/i&gt;

All you do is move the question back up the line of how did life come into being.

We have been working on this for years and still have never got anywhere near something living. To say it was planted from somewhere else is ducking the issue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tony is correct</p>
<p>Panspermia is one big cop out</p>
<p><b>Q</b> &#8220;So how did life arise on the Earth&#8221;<br />
<b>A</b> &#8220;It came from another planet but managed to get here by a comet&#8221;<br />
<b>Q</b> &#8220;So how did it arise there then&#8221;<br />
<b>A</b>&#8220;Oh it didn&#8217;t, it came from another planet and was lanted on that planet&#8221;<br />
<i><b>Q</b>gives up as he can see where this is headed</i></p>
<p>All you do is move the question back up the line of how did life come into being.</p>
<p>We have been working on this for years and still have never got anywhere near something living. To say it was planted from somewhere else is ducking the issue.</p>
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