Comments on: SpaceFest Report #1 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/08/17/spacefest-report-1/ I am an astronomer, writer, and skeptic. I likes reality the way it is, and I aims to keep it that way. My real name is Phil Plait, and I run the Bad Astronomy blog. Tue, 14 Feb 2012 15:45:01 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Astrolink [Global Edition] » Spacefest wrapup | Latest astronomy news in 11 languages http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/08/17/spacefest-report-1/comment-page-1/#comment-46344 Astrolink [Global Edition] » Spacefest wrapup | Latest astronomy news in 11 languages Wed, 12 Sep 2007 23:14:59 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/08/17/spacefest-report-1/#comment-46344 [...] Spacefest ended a couple of weeks ago, but I want to cover a couple of things. [...] [...] Spacefest ended a couple of weeks ago, but I want to cover a couple of things. [...]

]]> By: Robert Carnegie http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/08/17/spacefest-report-1/comment-page-1/#comment-46343 Robert Carnegie Sat, 01 Sep 2007 22:46:38 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/08/17/spacefest-report-1/#comment-46343 DC Comics has Adam Strange. Marvel has John Jameson... DC Comics has Adam Strange. Marvel has John Jameson…

]]> By: Quiet_Desperation http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/08/17/spacefest-report-1/comment-page-1/#comment-46342 Quiet_Desperation Mon, 20 Aug 2007 03:29:36 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/08/17/spacefest-report-1/#comment-46342 >>> Calm the f… down. Oh, all right. :-) >>> Calm the f… down.

Oh, all right. :-)

]]> By: kroosing 2 '37' http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/08/17/spacefest-report-1/comment-page-1/#comment-46341 kroosing 2 '37' Sun, 19 Aug 2007 18:14:35 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/08/17/spacefest-report-1/#comment-46341 "I met up with Carolyn Porco. We sat next to each other and chatted for most of the flight. I wound up going out to get a late dinner with Carolyn." Holy Enceladus Geysers Fountains! Man, are you the luckiest bad ass in the verse or what? But you know, you deserve it brother, you just deserve this all! For saving the world from the twin demons of ignorance and superstition, and their Sibrellian priests. Legions of angels, huh I mean aliens, stand by you! (likely good-natured gaseous self-organizing electrified space dust Plazmozoids that got through Cardiff's spacetime rift and got a visa from the Captain) Undeniably. At least my dime was well spent! For once it's not on calamity. “I met up with Carolyn Porco. We sat next to each other and chatted for most of the flight. I wound up going out to get a late dinner with Carolyn.”

Holy Enceladus Geysers Fountains! Man, are you the luckiest bad ass in the verse or what? But you know, you deserve it brother, you just deserve this all! For saving the world from the twin demons of ignorance and superstition, and their Sibrellian priests. Legions of angels, huh I mean aliens, stand by you! (likely good-natured gaseous self-organizing electrified space dust Plazmozoids that got through Cardiff’s spacetime rift and got a visa from the Captain) Undeniably.

At least my dime was well spent! For once it’s not on calamity.

]]> By: Gary Ansorge http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/08/17/spacefest-report-1/comment-page-1/#comment-46340 Gary Ansorge Sat, 18 Aug 2007 21:53:45 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/08/17/spacefest-report-1/#comment-46340 Sean: You took the words right out of my post. People have been worrying this debacle (of technology vs. people problems) for decades without ever realizing that Malthus would have been right, were it not for technology. The world economy has been expanding faster than human numbers for the last two centuries and that has resulted in a (slowly) rising living standard(and falling population growth) for the entire world. Are there still those(many) people with substandard lives? Of course, but as technology continues to grow(and access to new resources improves) that percentage will continue to fall. I expect, once we have developed a reasonable economic model for the exploitation of space resources, we will see an explosion in the human wealth curve vs. population. Hope I live long enough to see it,,, Gary 7 Sean: You took the words right out of my post. People have been worrying this debacle (of technology vs. people problems) for decades without ever realizing that Malthus would have been right, were it not for technology. The world economy has been expanding faster than human numbers for the last two centuries and that has resulted in a (slowly) rising living standard(and falling population growth) for the entire world. Are there still those(many) people with substandard lives? Of course, but as technology continues to grow(and access to new resources improves) that percentage will continue to fall. I expect, once we have developed a reasonable economic model for the exploitation of space resources, we will see an explosion in the human wealth curve vs. population. Hope I live long enough to see it,,,

Gary 7

]]> By: John http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/08/17/spacefest-report-1/comment-page-1/#comment-46339 John Sat, 18 Aug 2007 20:19:28 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/08/17/spacefest-report-1/#comment-46339 Hi Phil Would love to catch your Hoax Moon lecture soemtime, however, I'm waaayy over here in Ireland, so if you're ever in the area, give our IAA (Irish Astronomical Association) a shout and I'm sure they'd be delighted to hear from you. PS. haven't read "A Man on the Moon" yet, however, about to finish off Andrew Smith's "Moon Dust" book which is quite good. Oh, and if you'd like to know, I have my own website on the Moon, too, and have just produced the most detailed Moonposter around (an all-in-one poster that has everything in it about the moon -- see www.moonposter.ie if you get the chance) Cheers John Hi Phil

Would love to catch your Hoax Moon lecture soemtime, however, I’m waaayy over here in Ireland, so if you’re ever in the area, give our IAA (Irish Astronomical Association) a shout and I’m sure they’d be delighted to hear from you.
PS. haven’t read “A Man on the Moon” yet, however, about to finish off Andrew Smith’s “Moon Dust” book which is quite good.
Oh, and if you’d like to know, I have my own website on the Moon, too, and have just produced the most detailed Moonposter around (an all-in-one poster that has everything in it about the moon — see http://www.moonposter.ie if you get the chance)
Cheers
John

]]> By: Sean Manning http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/08/17/spacefest-report-1/comment-page-1/#comment-46338 Sean Manning Sat, 18 Aug 2007 20:02:15 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/08/17/spacefest-report-1/#comment-46338 Well, to solve some human problems we will need resources from off earth. Space-based solar power, possibly Helium-3 from the moon, asteroids and Near Earth Objects full of useful metals, zero-gravlty manufacturing, etc. I'm not sure if the Earth alone can sustain a billion First Worlders indefinitely, and it certainly can't sustain 6.5 billion of them. Fortunately, it is not written in stone that we be limited to the Earth when we have a solar system full of potential wealth around us. The other point is that we waste far more wealth than we spend usefully on space exploration. The competition is not not "space vs. the poor" but "selfishness vs. charity." Well, to solve some human problems we will need resources from off earth. Space-based solar power, possibly Helium-3 from the moon, asteroids and Near Earth Objects full of useful metals, zero-gravlty manufacturing, etc. I’m not sure if the Earth alone can sustain a billion First Worlders indefinitely, and it certainly can’t sustain 6.5 billion of them. Fortunately, it is not written in stone that we be limited to the Earth when we have a solar system full of potential wealth around us. The other point is that we waste far more wealth than we spend usefully on space exploration. The competition is not not “space vs. the poor” but “selfishness vs. charity.”

]]> By: KaiYeves http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/08/17/spacefest-report-1/comment-page-1/#comment-46337 KaiYeves Sat, 18 Aug 2007 13:49:22 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/08/17/spacefest-report-1/#comment-46337 Thanks for the comment, Ibrahim. One of the reasons that I like Marvel over DC is that it's realistic. I can believe that in the Marvel Universe, the MERs are waiting out the dust storm, Voyager is at the termination shock, ect. And, if the Fantastic Four all worked at NASA in the '60's, than Mr. Fantastic would have known Sagan, which is pretty cool to think about. Yeah, I am wierd. Thanks for the comment, Ibrahim. One of the reasons that I like Marvel over DC is that it’s realistic. I can believe that in the Marvel Universe, the MERs are waiting out the dust storm, Voyager is at the termination shock, ect. And, if the Fantastic Four all worked at NASA in the ’60′s, than Mr. Fantastic would have known Sagan, which is pretty cool to think about. Yeah, I am wierd.

]]> By: glenn schneider http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/08/17/spacefest-report-1/comment-page-1/#comment-46336 glenn schneider Sat, 18 Aug 2007 03:31:57 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/08/17/spacefest-report-1/#comment-46336 Phil, you may soon need to update your hoax talk, or better it may soon be obviated... http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2005/11jul_lroc.htm Cheers, -GS- Phil, you may soon need to update your hoax talk,
or better it may soon be obviated…

http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2005/11jul_lroc.htm

Cheers,
-GS-

]]> By: Qd http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/08/17/spacefest-report-1/comment-page-1/#comment-46335 Qd Sat, 18 Aug 2007 03:18:47 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/08/17/spacefest-report-1/#comment-46335 Quiet_Desperation >> my comment was not meant to be a political one, nor was I trying to attempt to fix the worlds problems. Calm the f... down. You have completely overreacted to my comment. It's just a thought is all. If you read my post carefully, I am not putting blame on anyone, its just how I feel. I care about people in pain is all mate. Going to space comes secondary to my strong and passionate feelings about the human crisis we have here at the moment. Both require time and money. I never said anything about USA, IRAQ .. whatever spin you want to throw on my PERSONAL FEELINGS. I wasn't saying it was a bad thing, just that I see more 'need' elsewhere. My hand isn't in your pocket, I don't care about your American Political opinions, its just an opinion. It's not meant to be a threat or an attack on anyone. I love space and space travel. I am an amatuer astronomer. My greatest dream has been to one day travel to the moon. I would give up all those passions if I knew we could fix other stuff first. Thats all I'm suggesting. Throw whatever angry spin you want on it. I am not in anyway suggesting that stopping the space program will solve world hunger. Caring about the needs of all humans, the fact they need to eat to survive, is neither old, nor tiresome. If you believe it is, well ... what can I say. You have taken my thoughts way out of context. I would love to meet Astronauts, but I would much rather meet Fred Hollows, if he was still alive, and other people like him. Quiet_Desperation >> my comment was not meant to be a political one, nor was I trying to attempt to fix the worlds problems.

Calm the f… down. You have completely overreacted to my comment. It’s just a thought is all. If you read my post carefully, I am not putting blame on anyone, its just how I feel.

I care about people in pain is all mate. Going to space comes secondary to my strong and passionate feelings about the human crisis we have here at the moment. Both require time and money. I never said anything about USA, IRAQ .. whatever spin you want to throw on my PERSONAL FEELINGS.

I wasn’t saying it was a bad thing, just that I see more ‘need’ elsewhere. My hand isn’t in your pocket, I don’t care about your American Political opinions, its just an opinion. It’s not meant to be a threat or an attack on anyone.

I love space and space travel. I am an amatuer astronomer. My greatest dream has been to one day travel to the moon. I would give up all those passions if I knew we could fix other stuff first. Thats all I’m suggesting. Throw whatever angry spin you want on it. I am not in anyway suggesting that stopping the space program will solve world hunger.

Caring about the needs of all humans, the fact they need to eat to survive, is neither old, nor tiresome. If you believe it is, well … what can I say. You have taken my thoughts way out of context.

I would love to meet Astronauts, but I would much rather meet Fred Hollows, if he was still alive, and other people like him.

]]> By: Quiet_Desperation http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/08/17/spacefest-report-1/comment-page-1/#comment-46324 Quiet_Desperation Sat, 18 Aug 2007 02:55:13 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/08/17/spacefest-report-1/#comment-46324 >>> Idealistic? Yes. Logical? No. Informed? No. Possible? No. Will the "let's throw money at the problem and it'll BE ALL FIXED UP!" meme ever, EVER go away? How much empirical evidence do you need? Another 50 years of massive government budgets full of nonsense and waste? It's like religion. You think we'd be in Iraq if the US federal government was a lean, tight machine like the founding fathers envisioned? Example from today's headlines: here in California we spend more on education than the entire budgets of some nations, and we have ***NOTHING***, ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to show for it. We can't even maintain basic infrastructure anymore without floating HUGE bond issues. The "let's solve all the human problems on Earth first!' argument is one of the silliest, hoariest and ignorant arguements against scientific research that exists. The government is not going to solve the mass behavior defects of millions of people. It is NOT going to happen in our lifetime or anyone else's. I'm sorry to come down so hard, but enough of that already. It's old and tiresome. >>> I just feel sorta guilty sometimes... Fine. Have at it. Just keep your hand out of MY pocket when seeking to assuage that guilt. >>> Idealistic? Yes.

Logical? No. Informed? No. Possible? No.

Will the “let’s throw money at the problem and it’ll BE ALL FIXED UP!” meme ever, EVER go away? How much empirical evidence do you need? Another 50 years of massive government budgets full of nonsense and waste? It’s like religion.

You think we’d be in Iraq if the US federal government was a lean, tight machine like the founding fathers envisioned?

Example from today’s headlines: here in California we spend more on education than the entire budgets of some nations, and we have ***NOTHING***, ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to show for it. We can’t even maintain basic infrastructure anymore without floating HUGE bond issues.

The “let’s solve all the human problems on Earth first!’ argument is one of the silliest, hoariest and ignorant arguements against scientific research that exists. The government is not going to solve the mass behavior defects of millions of people. It is NOT going to happen in our lifetime or anyone else’s.

I’m sorry to come down so hard, but enough of that already. It’s old and tiresome.

>>> I just feel sorta guilty sometimes…

Fine. Have at it. Just keep your hand out of MY pocket when seeking to assuage that guilt.

]]> By: Ibrahim http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/08/17/spacefest-report-1/comment-page-1/#comment-46326 Ibrahim Sat, 18 Aug 2007 02:45:37 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/08/17/spacefest-report-1/#comment-46326 KaiYeves: "Spider-Man saved you and then asked for your autograph and the latest information on the MERs!" Spider-Man would, after all it's still science geek Peter Parker under the mask. I'd give a leg to meet an astronaut. I hope you have a lot of fun there BA, while I ignore the green-eyed monster trying to stare me down in the corner of my bedroom. KaiYeves: “Spider-Man saved you and then asked for your autograph and the latest information on the MERs!”

Spider-Man would, after all it’s still science geek Peter Parker under the mask.

I’d give a leg to meet an astronaut. I hope you have a lot of fun there BA, while I ignore the green-eyed monster trying to stare me down in the corner of my bedroom.

]]> By: BlondeReb3 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/08/17/spacefest-report-1/comment-page-1/#comment-46330 BlondeReb3 Sat, 18 Aug 2007 01:58:34 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/08/17/spacefest-report-1/#comment-46330 Good luck with your talk tomorrow! I'm sure it'll go great :-) Good luck with your talk tomorrow! I’m sure it’ll go great :-)

]]> By: Kelfazin http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/08/17/spacefest-report-1/comment-page-1/#comment-46334 Kelfazin Sat, 18 Aug 2007 01:57:32 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/08/17/spacefest-report-1/#comment-46334 Bolo, Yea you can still go. It costs $25 per day to get in the door, and only a couple of the lectures require additional money. It's at the Mesa Convention Center. The banquet tomorrow night is sold out, but you can still go, meet the astronauts, meet the BA, have a blast. I had a really good time today. More info at http://www.spacefest.info Bolo, Yea you can still go. It costs $25 per day to get in the door, and only a couple of the lectures require additional money. It’s at the Mesa Convention Center. The banquet tomorrow night is sold out, but you can still go, meet the astronauts, meet the BA, have a blast. I had a really good time today.

More info at http://www.spacefest.info

]]> By: Qd http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/08/17/spacefest-report-1/comment-page-1/#comment-46333 Qd Fri, 17 Aug 2007 23:39:23 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/08/17/spacefest-report-1/#comment-46333 Thats great, but I'd rather sit in the company of people who have done something useful, like helped starving people in Africa or any country for that matter, or helped the sick in 3rd world countries, people like Fred Hollows (RIP). Just imagine if all that money spent getting to space was spent on giving humans the basic needs of life first ... then we could move on to the space travel thing. Idealistic? Yes. PS .. I love Astronauts just as much as the next space nerd :) I just feel sorta guilty sometimes celebrating them for their achievements when I can see so many people with nothing to eat, or in dire need for the basics in life. I wonder if they care about the Astronauts? Thats great, but I’d rather sit in the company of people who have done something useful, like helped starving people in Africa or any country for that matter, or helped the sick in 3rd world countries, people like Fred Hollows (RIP). Just imagine if all that money spent getting to space was spent on giving humans the basic needs of life first … then we could move on to the space travel thing. Idealistic? Yes.

PS .. I love Astronauts just as much as the next space nerd :) I just feel sorta guilty sometimes celebrating them for their achievements when I can see so many people with nothing to eat, or in dire need for the basics in life. I wonder if they care about the Astronauts?

]]> By: KaiYeves http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/08/17/spacefest-report-1/comment-page-1/#comment-46332 KaiYeves Fri, 17 Aug 2007 22:05:37 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/08/17/spacefest-report-1/#comment-46332 Dr. Hoaxland is back! Holy crepuscular rays, activate the BA signal! And he's chosen to strike right when Phil's busy with SpaceFest- does he know about your secret identity? If none of that makes any sense, check the archive for the article "My comic book debut". Hold on, somebody's at my door. It's... evil minions in masks that look like the Face! Don't worry, they'll be no match for my powers. TTFN, True Believers- oopps, I mean Bad Readers. (I like superheroes. You got a problem with that?) Dr. Hoaxland is back! Holy crepuscular rays, activate the BA signal! And he’s chosen to strike right when Phil’s busy with SpaceFest- does he know about your secret identity?
If none of that makes any sense, check the archive for the article “My comic book debut”.
Hold on, somebody’s at my door. It’s… evil minions in masks that look like the Face! Don’t worry, they’ll be no match for my powers. TTFN, True Believers- oopps, I mean Bad Readers.
(I like superheroes. You got a problem with that?)

]]> By: Gary Ansorge http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/08/17/spacefest-report-1/comment-page-1/#comment-46331 Gary Ansorge Fri, 17 Aug 2007 21:51:53 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/08/17/spacefest-report-1/#comment-46331 John: As an aside, I note that Star Gate 1 had an episode in which the father of Vala was selling "Star Dust" as a miracle cure. That episode should have received some recognition for its anti-woo-wooism,,, Gary 7 John: As an aside, I note that Star Gate 1 had an episode in which the father of Vala was selling “Star Dust” as a miracle cure. That episode should have received some recognition for its anti-woo-wooism,,,

Gary 7

]]> By: John Marley http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/08/17/spacefest-report-1/comment-page-1/#comment-46329 John Marley Fri, 17 Aug 2007 18:58:04 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/08/17/spacefest-report-1/#comment-46329 Richard Hoagland is back. http://www.randi.org/jr/2007-08/081707hoagland.html#i1 Richard Hoagland is back.

http://www.randi.org/jr/2007-08/081707hoagland.html#i1

]]> By: Bolo http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/08/17/spacefest-report-1/comment-page-1/#comment-46328 Bolo Fri, 17 Aug 2007 18:49:10 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/08/17/spacefest-report-1/#comment-46328 Wait, it's in Phoenix? I live there! Can people just show up for most of it? I assume there's a lot of stuff that is invitation only or you have to pay for in advance, but are there things generally open to the public? Wait, it’s in Phoenix? I live there! Can people just show up for most of it? I assume there’s a lot of stuff that is invitation only or you have to pay for in advance, but are there things generally open to the public?

]]> By: Quiet_Desperation http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/08/17/spacefest-report-1/comment-page-1/#comment-46327 Quiet_Desperation Fri, 17 Aug 2007 18:35:46 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/08/17/spacefest-report-1/#comment-46327 “And then I get to sit back and simply enjoy being in the company of men who have done something only a tiny fraction of humanity has done: live in space.” Yeah, on *my* dime. . . . I wasn't really going anywhere with this. Just sayin', is all. “And then I get to sit back and simply enjoy being in the company of men who have done something only a tiny fraction of humanity has done: live in space.”

Yeah, on *my* dime.

. . .

I wasn’t really going anywhere with this. Just sayin’, is all.

]]> By: Don Wiseman http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/08/17/spacefest-report-1/comment-page-1/#comment-46325 Don Wiseman Fri, 17 Aug 2007 18:16:58 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/08/17/spacefest-report-1/#comment-46325 Say hi to Charlie for me. Speaking of the Apollo hoaxe, we did a clip of the Apollo 16 mission that shows conclusively that Charley ran over John Young with the Lunar Rover and took John's red stripe to assume command. Only the "Tang" incident saved John's life. Very few people have seen that one. See, that proves the moon mission wasn't a hoax. Say hi to Charlie for me. Speaking of the Apollo hoaxe, we did a clip of the Apollo 16 mission that shows conclusively that Charley ran over John Young with the Lunar Rover and took John’s red stripe to assume command. Only the “Tang” incident saved John’s life. Very few people have seen that one.

See, that proves the moon mission wasn’t a hoax.

]]> By: Jag http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/08/17/spacefest-report-1/comment-page-1/#comment-46309 Jag Fri, 17 Aug 2007 16:25:29 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/08/17/spacefest-report-1/#comment-46309 "And then I get to sit back and simply enjoy being in the company of men who have done something only a tiny fraction of humanity has done: live in space." We all live in space. An astronomer should know that. “And then I get to sit back and simply enjoy being in the company of men who have done something only a tiny fraction of humanity has done: live in space.”

We all live in space. An astronomer should know that.

]]> By: Gary Ansorge http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/08/17/spacefest-report-1/comment-page-1/#comment-46323 Gary Ansorge Fri, 17 Aug 2007 15:55:00 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/08/17/spacefest-report-1/#comment-46323 A hoax, like satire, can expose the essential logical inconsistencies in a situation. I am put in mind of the individuals who admitted to creating crop circles with nothing more than a plank of wood and some rope. That said, people WISH to believe in magic(or aliens, your choice), because it allows us to get something for nothing. How unfortunate that the real universe is dedicated to TANSTAAFL. Gary 7 A hoax, like satire, can expose the essential logical inconsistencies in a situation. I am put in mind of the individuals who admitted to creating crop circles with nothing more than a plank of wood and some rope. That said, people WISH to believe in magic(or aliens, your choice), because it allows us to get something for nothing. How unfortunate that the real universe is dedicated to TANSTAAFL.

Gary 7

]]> By: Kelfazin http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/08/17/spacefest-report-1/comment-page-1/#comment-46322 Kelfazin Fri, 17 Aug 2007 15:50:05 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/08/17/spacefest-report-1/#comment-46322 Welcome to the blast furnace :) High today: 106, we'll have lots of very ominous looking clouds from the monsoon, but we won't actually get any rain. Welcome to the blast furnace :) High today: 106, we’ll have lots of very ominous looking clouds from the monsoon, but we won’t actually get any rain.

]]> By: Quiet_Desperation http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/08/17/spacefest-report-1/comment-page-1/#comment-46321 Quiet_Desperation Fri, 17 Aug 2007 15:37:28 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/08/17/spacefest-report-1/#comment-46321 The hoax claimers are businesspeople with a product to sell. Facts will have no effect. I doubt many of *them* even believe in a hoax. It's just a way to make a living. The hoax claimers are businesspeople with a product to sell. Facts will have no effect. I doubt many of *them* even believe in a hoax. It’s just a way to make a living.

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