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	<title>Comments on: SpaceFest Report #3</title>
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	<description>I am an astronomer, writer, and skeptic. I likes reality the way it is, and I aims to keep it that way. My real name is Phil Plait, and I run the Bad Astronomy blog.</description>
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		<title>By: Buzz kill &#124; Bad Astronomy &#124; Discover Magazine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Buzz kill &#124; Bad Astronomy &#124; Discover Magazine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 22:00:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] walk on the Moon, has published a science fiction novel, did a guest spot on The Simpsons, and even signed a copy of my book. But that won&#8217;t stop me from calling him out when he says something [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Astrolink [Global Edition] &#187; Spacefest wrapup &#124; Latest astronomy news in 11 languages</title>
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		<dc:creator>Astrolink [Global Edition] &#187; Spacefest wrapup &#124; Latest astronomy news in 11 languages</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Sep 2007 23:15:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] got a copy of my Bad Astronomy book and had it autographed by many of the astronauts (and also astronomers Dan Durda and Carolyn Porco). I presented the book [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Astrolink [Global Edition] &#187; The Amazing Cruise: Day 3 &#124; Latest astronomy news in 11 languages</title>
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		<dc:creator>Astrolink [Global Edition] &#187; The Amazing Cruise: Day 3 &#124; Latest astronomy news in 11 languages</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Sep 2007 04:39:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] well. I made lots of dumb jokes, and everyone had a good time. Regular readers may remember that I got a copy of my first book autographed by several astronauts. I mentioned I had big plans for it&#8230; well, today I presented that book to Randi so that he [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Mena</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mena</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Aug 2007 16:39:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oddly enough, I watched the &lt;i&gt;From the Earth to the Moon&lt;/i&gt; series (yes, all of it) for the first time on Saturday.  I was a bit young to remember a lot of this stuff (I was 35 days old at the time of the Apollo 1 tragedy, if anyone wants to dare to do the math!) but I do remember the frog men, launches on tv, etc.  It was nice to have the blanks filled in.  I&#039;m not a space enthusiast per se, my interests are more toward the life sciences with a spattering of physics and there&#039;s that darn math fetish but I do see what those guys did as being quite amazing.  The idea of sitting on top of what amounts to a bomb, going through the physical endurance of lift off, sitting in a confined area, and having to take the chance that the environmental stuff works the whole time with the computer power of my calculator is quite impressive.  It&#039;s very sad that we didn&#039;t keep up with the space program.  Imagine what we could have done in the mean time and what we could have now.  :^(
BTW, on the subject of Gene Cernan, is there anyone else in the Chicago area who has no use for the Adler Planetarium after their &quot;improvements&quot; (which seemed to convert the show from an educational astronomy sky show to a video game) and has gone to the Cernan Space Center at Triton College?  I went there once, it seems like they did the best that they could with the budget they have, but it is quite a step down.  Is there somewhere around here that has a decent and educational sky show?  Milwaukee perhaps?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oddly enough, I watched the <i>From the Earth to the Moon</i> series (yes, all of it) for the first time on Saturday.  I was a bit young to remember a lot of this stuff (I was 35 days old at the time of the Apollo 1 tragedy, if anyone wants to dare to do the math!) but I do remember the frog men, launches on tv, etc.  It was nice to have the blanks filled in.  I&#8217;m not a space enthusiast per se, my interests are more toward the life sciences with a spattering of physics and there&#8217;s that darn math fetish but I do see what those guys did as being quite amazing.  The idea of sitting on top of what amounts to a bomb, going through the physical endurance of lift off, sitting in a confined area, and having to take the chance that the environmental stuff works the whole time with the computer power of my calculator is quite impressive.  It&#8217;s very sad that we didn&#8217;t keep up with the space program.  Imagine what we could have done in the mean time and what we could have now.  :^(<br />
BTW, on the subject of Gene Cernan, is there anyone else in the Chicago area who has no use for the Adler Planetarium after their &#8220;improvements&#8221; (which seemed to convert the show from an educational astronomy sky show to a video game) and has gone to the Cernan Space Center at Triton College?  I went there once, it seems like they did the best that they could with the budget they have, but it is quite a step down.  Is there somewhere around here that has a decent and educational sky show?  Milwaukee perhaps?</p>
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		<title>By: Debra</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/08/20/spacefest-report-3/comment-page-1/#comment-46498</link>
		<dc:creator>Debra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Aug 2007 17:12:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m sure you all know about this film about those men who walked on the moon:  http://www.intheshadowofthemoon.com/

I had the pleasure of seeing an almost finished cut of this at the Full Frame Documentary Film Festival earlier this year.  It is fabulous.  Unbelievably fabulous.

It will be playing in theaters in limited release next month (September 2007).  I believe it will be released on DVD in spring 2008.

It is a must see.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sure you all know about this film about those men who walked on the moon:  <a href="http://www.intheshadowofthemoon.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.intheshadowofthemoon.com/</a></p>
<p>I had the pleasure of seeing an almost finished cut of this at the Full Frame Documentary Film Festival earlier this year.  It is fabulous.  Unbelievably fabulous.</p>
<p>It will be playing in theaters in limited release next month (September 2007).  I believe it will be released on DVD in spring 2008.</p>
<p>It is a must see.</p>
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		<title>By: KaiYeves</title>
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		<dc:creator>KaiYeves</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Aug 2007 00:36:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The success of the Apollo program made the Golden Decade of space exploration that followed possible. It gave us our first taste of space, and we were hooked. If not for Apollo, we would not have had Viking, Pioneer, Voyager, or, for that matter Galileo, Magellen, Cassini-Huygens, Mars Observer, the MERs, Phoenix, New Horizions, Messenger, or the planned Orion. &quot;We came in peace, and in peace we shall return.&quot;
Travel is broadening.
It&#039;s time to hit the road again.
(Those last two lines are from the mystery guy I mentioned before. Does anyone have a clue now? Remember, I asked &quot;Just as a trivia thing, does anyone here know who briefed the Apollo 11 astronauts before they flew to the moon?&quot;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The success of the Apollo program made the Golden Decade of space exploration that followed possible. It gave us our first taste of space, and we were hooked. If not for Apollo, we would not have had Viking, Pioneer, Voyager, or, for that matter Galileo, Magellen, Cassini-Huygens, Mars Observer, the MERs, Phoenix, New Horizions, Messenger, or the planned Orion. &#8220;We came in peace, and in peace we shall return.&#8221;<br />
Travel is broadening.<br />
It&#8217;s time to hit the road again.<br />
(Those last two lines are from the mystery guy I mentioned before. Does anyone have a clue now? Remember, I asked &#8220;Just as a trivia thing, does anyone here know who briefed the Apollo 11 astronauts before they flew to the moon?&#8221;)</p>
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		<title>By: DenverAstro</title>
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		<dc:creator>DenverAstro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Aug 2007 23:26:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Phil, I have to say that I am just GREEN with envy. I look like Kermit the Frog right now. But it&#039;s a good envy and I&#039;m really happy for you that you were able to experience that. Those men, all of them, have been my heros since I was a little kid. Jim Lovell was always my personal favorite, tho.
On a different note, I would like to talk to you about an event coming up in the near future which is sponsored by my company, Raytheon. This is a serious inquiry about you possibly making an appearance. What is the best way for me to contact you? My email is:
cadman1a@sprynet.com
Please contact me if you are interested and maybe we can work something out.
Thanks!
D7M</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Phil, I have to say that I am just GREEN with envy. I look like Kermit the Frog right now. But it&#8217;s a good envy and I&#8217;m really happy for you that you were able to experience that. Those men, all of them, have been my heros since I was a little kid. Jim Lovell was always my personal favorite, tho.<br />
On a different note, I would like to talk to you about an event coming up in the near future which is sponsored by my company, Raytheon. This is a serious inquiry about you possibly making an appearance. What is the best way for me to contact you? My email is:<br />
<a href="mailto:cadman1a@sprynet.com">cadman1a@sprynet.com</a><br />
Please contact me if you are interested and maybe we can work something out.<br />
Thanks!<br />
D7M</p>
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		<title>By: Mighty Favog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mighty Favog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Aug 2007 21:37:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dunc: Even if we do wonderful things, we will always make mistakes.
and...
BA: Yes, of course we can do anything physically possible.
but...
BJN: There has to be a reason to do anything. And the only way to do anything is with money. At least, in the case you cite, a bad situation was the catalyst for much good to be done, and led directly to future cooperation between the superpowers even before the fall of the USSR.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dunc: Even if we do wonderful things, we will always make mistakes.<br />
and&#8230;<br />
BA: Yes, of course we can do anything physically possible.<br />
but&#8230;<br />
BJN: There has to be a reason to do anything. And the only way to do anything is with money. At least, in the case you cite, a bad situation was the catalyst for much good to be done, and led directly to future cooperation between the superpowers even before the fall of the USSR.</p>
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		<title>By: Mighty Favog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mighty Favog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Aug 2007 21:37:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dunc: Even if we do wonderful things. we will always make mistakes.
and...
BA: Yes, of course we can do anything physically possible.
but...
BJN: There has to be a reason to do anything. And the only way to do anything is with money. At least, in the case you cite, a bad situation was the catalyst for much good to be done, and led directly to future cooperation between the superpowers even before the fall of the USSR.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dunc: Even if we do wonderful things. we will always make mistakes.<br />
and&#8230;<br />
BA: Yes, of course we can do anything physically possible.<br />
but&#8230;<br />
BJN: There has to be a reason to do anything. And the only way to do anything is with money. At least, in the case you cite, a bad situation was the catalyst for much good to be done, and led directly to future cooperation between the superpowers even before the fall of the USSR.</p>
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		<title>By: Selina Morse</title>
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		<dc:creator>Selina Morse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Aug 2007 18:52:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;if we can put a man on the Moon, we can do whatever needs to be done&quot;.

No. Putting a man on the moon was easy. Bringing him back alive was the tricky bit.

I seem to remember reading that JFK insisted that the words &quot;and bring him back alive&quot; were added to the original mission statement to put a man on the moon by the end of the decade.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;if we can put a man on the Moon, we can do whatever needs to be done&#8221;.</p>
<p>No. Putting a man on the moon was easy. Bringing him back alive was the tricky bit.</p>
<p>I seem to remember reading that JFK insisted that the words &#8220;and bring him back alive&#8221; were added to the original mission statement to put a man on the moon by the end of the decade.</p>
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		<title>By: Quiet_Desperation</title>
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		<dc:creator>Quiet_Desperation</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Aug 2007 18:41:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;&gt;&gt; Larry Niven said he knows for sure that psychic powers
&gt;&gt;&gt; donâ€™t exist, because nobody is making money from them.

Not to defend psychic claims, but can Niven cite any data for this? I don&#039;t know how you prove this.

I&#039;m serious. If I could predict horse races or stock markets due to some metaphysical ability with enough accuracy to consistently make money, I wouldn&#039;t tell anyone.

I figure the government, or someone with a lot of power, would have me in a lab or chained to a stock ticker so fast my poor psychic head would spin.

Again, no, I don&#039;t think anyone is doing this. It&#039;s just not a sufficient statement to disprove psychic powers by itself, which seems to be his implication.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;&gt;&gt; Larry Niven said he knows for sure that psychic powers<br />
&gt;&gt;&gt; donâ€™t exist, because nobody is making money from them.</p>
<p>Not to defend psychic claims, but can Niven cite any data for this? I don&#8217;t know how you prove this.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m serious. If I could predict horse races or stock markets due to some metaphysical ability with enough accuracy to consistently make money, I wouldn&#8217;t tell anyone.</p>
<p>I figure the government, or someone with a lot of power, would have me in a lab or chained to a stock ticker so fast my poor psychic head would spin.</p>
<p>Again, no, I don&#8217;t think anyone is doing this. It&#8217;s just not a sufficient statement to disprove psychic powers by itself, which seems to be his implication.</p>
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		<title>By: BJN</title>
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		<dc:creator>BJN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Aug 2007 16:10:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We got to the moon because it was the ultimate high profile propaganda during the Cold War. It took a war mentality and the promise of a martyred president to keep the funds flowing, but once the propaganda mission was accomplished the funds dried up. We can indeed do amazing things, but it seems we can rarely do anything big for the right reasons.

These guys are heros and the moon effort did give us all a valuable new perspective on the planet we inhabit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We got to the moon because it was the ultimate high profile propaganda during the Cold War. It took a war mentality and the promise of a martyred president to keep the funds flowing, but once the propaganda mission was accomplished the funds dried up. We can indeed do amazing things, but it seems we can rarely do anything big for the right reasons.</p>
<p>These guys are heros and the moon effort did give us all a valuable new perspective on the planet we inhabit.</p>
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		<title>By: Gary Ansorge</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gary Ansorge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Aug 2007 16:10:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dunc: Hubris: defined as &quot;overwhelming pride&quot; doesn&#039;t kill, it merely goes before the fall. We(read all humanity) really CAN do anything, or at least anything that isn&#039;t in violation of natural law. Given time, resources and will(and the &quot;faith of a mustard seed&quot;) we have learned to move mountains, raise the dead(if they&#039;re only a few minutes dead), walk upon another heavenly body and tolerate stupidity/greed in our national leaders. My feelings toward the Bush and his cronies are that they are sociopaths who will do anything for power, regardless of its effects upon any other being.
I have a great regard for humanity. I &quot;believe&quot; it has the potential to survive. Just look at any single mother busting her buns to feed, cloth and educate her children with minimal help from our &quot;great society&quot;. That&#039;s the essence of a hero,,,
,,,and those 12 men, with the help of millions of hard working people, paying their taxes and hoping for a future worth living in, are the heroic cutting edge toward a universe of joy. Now we need to get off our butts and make that potential real for all. Which is what the BA and other thinkers are trying to do.

Gary 7</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dunc: Hubris: defined as &#8220;overwhelming pride&#8221; doesn&#8217;t kill, it merely goes before the fall. We(read all humanity) really CAN do anything, or at least anything that isn&#8217;t in violation of natural law. Given time, resources and will(and the &#8220;faith of a mustard seed&#8221;) we have learned to move mountains, raise the dead(if they&#8217;re only a few minutes dead), walk upon another heavenly body and tolerate stupidity/greed in our national leaders. My feelings toward the Bush and his cronies are that they are sociopaths who will do anything for power, regardless of its effects upon any other being.<br />
I have a great regard for humanity. I &#8220;believe&#8221; it has the potential to survive. Just look at any single mother busting her buns to feed, cloth and educate her children with minimal help from our &#8220;great society&#8221;. That&#8217;s the essence of a hero,,,<br />
,,,and those 12 men, with the help of millions of hard working people, paying their taxes and hoping for a future worth living in, are the heroic cutting edge toward a universe of joy. Now we need to get off our butts and make that potential real for all. Which is what the BA and other thinkers are trying to do.</p>
<p>Gary 7</p>
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		<title>By: The Bad Astronomer</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Bad Astronomer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Aug 2007 16:01:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dunc, I still disagree. Of course it&#039;s too late for some things; we cannot change the past. But it&#039;s not too late to fix them.

For example, fundamentalist religious (and political) fanaticism (whether it&#039;s &quot;ours&quot; or &quot;theirs&quot; ) which leads to violence shuts down the rational part of the brain and appeals to the baser parts. People like that are in the minority in the world, though because of their actions they capture the lion&#039;s share of the attention. &lt;b&gt;But they are the minority.&lt;/b&gt; We know that the rational part of the brain can overpower the irrational, and we know that people &lt;i&gt;can&lt;/i&gt; live in peace.

We can make things better for the future.

We &lt;i&gt;can&lt;/i&gt; do it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dunc, I still disagree. Of course it&#8217;s too late for some things; we cannot change the past. But it&#8217;s not too late to fix them.</p>
<p>For example, fundamentalist religious (and political) fanaticism (whether it&#8217;s &#8220;ours&#8221; or &#8220;theirs&#8221; ) which leads to violence shuts down the rational part of the brain and appeals to the baser parts. People like that are in the minority in the world, though because of their actions they capture the lion&#8217;s share of the attention. <b>But they are the minority.</b> We know that the rational part of the brain can overpower the irrational, and we know that people <i>can</i> live in peace.</p>
<p>We can make things better for the future.</p>
<p>We <i>can</i> do it.</p>
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		<title>By: The Bad Astronomer</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Bad Astronomer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Aug 2007 15:45:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I suspected that was Dave Scott-- I didn&#039;t get a chance to talk to him, which was a bummer, since Apollo 15 was the launch I saw for myself in Florida  when I was a kid.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I suspected that was Dave Scott&#8211; I didn&#8217;t get a chance to talk to him, which was a bummer, since Apollo 15 was the launch I saw for myself in Florida  when I was a kid.</p>
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		<title>By: Karnbeln</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karnbeln</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Aug 2007 14:51:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Buzzkill. :p</description>
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		<title>By: Dunc</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dunc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Aug 2007 14:34:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Itâ€™s a cliche, but itâ€™s true: if we can put a man on the Moon, we can do whatever needs to be done.&lt;/i&gt;

Tell that to the Iraqis. Sometimes you really &lt;i&gt;can&#039;t&lt;/i&gt; put the toothpaste back in the tube - or indeed the blood back in the veins.

Sorry to be a bummer, but this &quot;we can fix anything&quot; mentality is a great way to get yourself into trouble that you actually &lt;i&gt;can&#039;t&lt;/i&gt; fix. Hubris kills.

We can achieve some truly remarkable things if we really try - but there &lt;i&gt;are&lt;/i&gt; limits.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Itâ€™s a cliche, but itâ€™s true: if we can put a man on the Moon, we can do whatever needs to be done.</i></p>
<p>Tell that to the Iraqis. Sometimes you really <i>can&#8217;t</i> put the toothpaste back in the tube &#8211; or indeed the blood back in the veins.</p>
<p>Sorry to be a bummer, but this &#8220;we can fix anything&#8221; mentality is a great way to get yourself into trouble that you actually <i>can&#8217;t</i> fix. Hubris kills.</p>
<p>We can achieve some truly remarkable things if we really try &#8211; but there <i>are</i> limits.</p>
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		<title>By: Ian Regan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ian Regan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Aug 2007 13:33:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stouffon is right - that&#039;s Dave Scott on the left in the back row.</description>
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		<title>By: KaiYeves</title>
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		<dc:creator>KaiYeves</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Aug 2007 13:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, Eric TF Brad, I&#039;ve always countered the hoax theories with my Kai Equation: 12 men walked+ six in orbit+ 400,000 involved+ (almost) forty years ago+ every journalist in the world would kill for the story= 0% chance of hoax.
The BA is right. Only 12 walked on the moon, but there were hundreds of thousands behind them. The book TeamMoon can tell you more about it. By the way, just as a trivia thing, does anyone else here know who briefed the Apollo 11 crew before take-off?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, Eric TF Brad, I&#8217;ve always countered the hoax theories with my Kai Equation: 12 men walked+ six in orbit+ 400,000 involved+ (almost) forty years ago+ every journalist in the world would kill for the story= 0% chance of hoax.<br />
The BA is right. Only 12 walked on the moon, but there were hundreds of thousands behind them. The book TeamMoon can tell you more about it. By the way, just as a trivia thing, does anyone else here know who briefed the Apollo 11 crew before take-off?</p>
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		<title>By: CafeenMan</title>
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		<dc:creator>CafeenMan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Aug 2007 12:11:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We CAN do anything but we have to become more proficient at thinking and less willing to be slaughterers.

When you consider what the massive resources we put toward killing each other could have done in regard to bettering ourselves we could be a lot farther ahead than we are now with less danger and more hope which brings more motivation - an vicious cycle in a good way.

Frankly, I don&#039;t have a lot of faith in humanity although I don&#039;t discount what we&#039;ve accomplished either.

It&#039;s like all of mankind is being carried on the shoulders of a very small percentage of people who care to learn and willing to take extreme risks.

And while they&#039;re doing that there are people who not only do nothing to help but there are those who do anything they can to hinder us.  The &quot;moon landing conspiricists&quot; for example, aren&#039;t just paranoid but they are counter-productive and actually convince others that they&#039;re right.

And don&#039;t even get me started on putting people in charge just because they seem like they would be cool to have a beer with...

By the way, I don&#039;t know if I mentioned this before but I met Neil Armstrong in the early 70&#039;s when I was a caddy at a celebrity golf tournament.  He hit me square in the ass when I was standing too close to a par 3 green.  He apologized a lot but all I cared about was meeting Neil Armstrong and getting his autograph.  I met Bob Griese at the same tournament. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We CAN do anything but we have to become more proficient at thinking and less willing to be slaughterers.</p>
<p>When you consider what the massive resources we put toward killing each other could have done in regard to bettering ourselves we could be a lot farther ahead than we are now with less danger and more hope which brings more motivation &#8211; an vicious cycle in a good way.</p>
<p>Frankly, I don&#8217;t have a lot of faith in humanity although I don&#8217;t discount what we&#8217;ve accomplished either.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s like all of mankind is being carried on the shoulders of a very small percentage of people who care to learn and willing to take extreme risks.</p>
<p>And while they&#8217;re doing that there are people who not only do nothing to help but there are those who do anything they can to hinder us.  The &#8220;moon landing conspiricists&#8221; for example, aren&#8217;t just paranoid but they are counter-productive and actually convince others that they&#8217;re right.</p>
<p>And don&#8217;t even get me started on putting people in charge just because they seem like they would be cool to have a beer with&#8230;</p>
<p>By the way, I don&#8217;t know if I mentioned this before but I met Neil Armstrong in the early 70&#8242;s when I was a caddy at a celebrity golf tournament.  He hit me square in the ass when I was standing too close to a par 3 green.  He apologized a lot but all I cared about was meeting Neil Armstrong and getting his autograph.  I met Bob Griese at the same tournament. <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Stouff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stouff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Aug 2007 09:12:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Phil,
Is that not Dave Scott standing on the far left of the back row in the group picture? It looks like him to me! it&#039;s just on your flickr it says that individual is unknown!

Cheers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Phil,<br />
Is that not Dave Scott standing on the far left of the back row in the group picture? It looks like him to me! it&#8217;s just on your flickr it says that individual is unknown!</p>
<p>Cheers.</p>
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		<title>By: csrster</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/08/20/spacefest-report-3/comment-page-1/#comment-46477</link>
		<dc:creator>csrster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Aug 2007 06:55:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The last _so far_.</description>
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		<title>By: The Bad Astronomer</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/08/20/spacefest-report-3/comment-page-1/#comment-46479</link>
		<dc:creator>The Bad Astronomer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Aug 2007 05:39:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Peter B, go to the Flickr image (click the one in the blog). They are listed there.

As I told Hale-Bopp after he told me his story, he should have turned to Cernan and said, &quot;Yeah, and I bet you&#039;ll be the last one out of the bathroom, too!&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Peter B, go to the Flickr image (click the one in the blog). They are listed there.</p>
<p>As I told Hale-Bopp after he told me his story, he should have turned to Cernan and said, &#8220;Yeah, and I bet you&#8217;ll be the last one out of the bathroom, too!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Mighty Favog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mighty Favog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Aug 2007 05:21:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hale bopp:
Dammit! That&#039;s why I didn&#039;t have a cool anecdote--the art store had a one-at-a-time restroom!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hale bopp:<br />
Dammit! That&#8217;s why I didn&#8217;t have a cool anecdote&#8211;the art store had a one-at-a-time restroom!</p>
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		<title>By: hale_bopp</title>
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		<dc:creator>hale_bopp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Aug 2007 04:23:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was in the restroom during the banquet and peed with Gene Cernan!  And he was TALKING to everyone !</description>
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