We traded a stable but brutal dictator for an unstable democracy in the midst of a civil war over religion. Yea us!

The war in Iraq has caused more death and devastation than years of continued ruled under Saddam ever would have. It’s created *more* terrorists, not less, acting as a lightening rod for extremism. As for the WMD claim, it’s been pointed out many times that intelligence agencies already knew that Saddam likely didn’t have the capability the US administration claimed, so they cherry-picked results and massaged the intel until it fit what the hawks wanted.

So, to answer your questions:

“Finding WMD’s would have been worth fighting in Iraq, right? ”

Nope. The weapons inspectors could have done that. War would have only been necessary had Saddam been in imminent threat, and it was fairly understood, even at the time, that he wasn’t (despite Powell’s dog and pony show at the UN).

“Saving thousands of people from being murdered by their own government, is that worth fighting in Iraq?”

If that’s was being done, sure. But it’s not. We’ve simply traded a dictator for anarchy. I wouldn’t call that a victory. Besides, if you really want to go to war on those grounds, there are *far* better choices (Rwanda seems like a good start).

“But I do support the War in Iraq based on the facts that we are helping the people of Iraq and we are actively finding and defeating the terrorists in Iraq and Afghanistan.”

I find it pretty hilarious you talk of “facts”, and then assert that we’re “helping the people of Iraq”. Something tells me the people on the ground dying from car bombs and cholera would disagree.

And I find it particularly offensive that you claim the US is helping in Afghanistan, a front they’ve all but abandoned, while their allies, such as Canada, have been forced to pick up where they left off.

cafeenman said:

> Use Google. It’s very helpful. 2 minutes of your time will provide all the information you need.

While I agree with your arguments, I have to disagree with this directive. If it is so easy to dig up with google, then why don’t you dig it up and post it, so it’s explicitly layed out for all to see? Give us some links to what you think. It’s only fair.

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the reason why is because it’s like trying to educate flat-earthers. No amount of evidence is going to convince them. I have more than enough experience talking to people about this that I know going and getting the information for them is a waste of my time.

But because it hadn’t been said – at least I didn’t see it – I just wanted to make it clear that not everyone thought Iraq had wmds. That’s just one rationalization freepers who now realize they were wrong but still can’t take responsibility for it try to buy some credibility.

If people want to know the truth they already know. All of this has been documented extensively for years.

As pointed out in the BA’s “quotes”, evil men can only survive because good men allow them too…”

Makes me think of something I read many years back. I apologized, I don’t remember the source, but I remember the message :

“Any person who is devious enough as to be able to manipulate the system in such a way that they can get themselves elected to the highest positions should in no way be allowed to reach such levels of power.”

And Bush lies and twists more “facts” tonight, so that more of our military will die or be maimed or mentally traumatized.

Disgusting.

Steve
Combat Veteran

Finish that line….

“The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse.”

Finding WMD’s would have been worth fighting in Iraq, right? Saving thousands of people from being murdered by their own government, is that worth fighting in Iraq?
I never said I supported Bush, and you won’t hear me say it…ever. As I don’t trust any politician, I full well expect that this administration has lied on numerous occasions, same as every administration before.
But I do support the War in Iraq based on the facts that we are helping the people of Iraq and we are actively finding and defeating the terrorists in Iraq and Afghanistan.

> Use Google. It’s very helpful. 2 minutes of your time will provide all the information you need.

While I agree with your arguments, I have to disagree with this directive. If it is so easy to dig up with google, then why don’t you dig it up and post it, so it’s explicitly layed out for all to see? Give us some links to what you think. It’s only fair.