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	<title>Comments on: The evolution of revolution</title>
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	<description>I am an astronomer, writer, and skeptic. I likes reality the way it is, and I aims to keep it that way. My real name is Phil Plait, and I run the Bad Astronomy blog.</description>
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		<title>By: G. Kaminski</title>
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		<dc:creator>G. Kaminski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 02:06:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I ordered my Kindle 2.0 a few weeks ago and have already become very attached to it. In addition to purchasing Amazon books, I&#039;ve used the various free book websites you can find easily on the internet (just check Wikipedia for some entries) to download public domain books or books from publishers (like Baen Books) that provide some of their titles for free.

Downloading books from most sites, or emailing attachments to yourself, is pretty easy. I had a few minor hiccups at first--using the Kindle to browse the Amazon store, for example, is less easy that simply using your PC--but the manual is easy to use and reasonably comprehensive. You don&#039;t have to be tech savvy to use the features of the Kindle.

I do have one fairly minor complaint (it didn&#039;t detract from my rating), but I really feel that the Kindle should come with a cover. They could have put together a cheap cover and still sold a better one, but a cover feels absolutely necessary to me.

I do recommend than anyone who purchases a Kindle take a look at the &quot;999 boycott&quot; tags, though. This is NOT a slam at Amazon or the Kindle, but a few publishers have decided not to pass the savings they receive by selling Kindle-format books on to their customers, charging standard book prices for ebooks. While they are free to do so, Kindle purchasers also have the right to say they won&#039;t purchase books that don&#039;t reflect at least some of these savings. Again, Amazon is not responsible for setting these prices, but the publishers need to be sent a message.

Go buy a Kindle 2.0 and support the publishers that understand what a boon for the publishing industry this is!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I ordered my Kindle 2.0 a few weeks ago and have already become very attached to it. In addition to purchasing Amazon books, I&#8217;ve used the various free book websites you can find easily on the internet (just check Wikipedia for some entries) to download public domain books or books from publishers (like Baen Books) that provide some of their titles for free.</p>
<p>Downloading books from most sites, or emailing attachments to yourself, is pretty easy. I had a few minor hiccups at first&#8211;using the Kindle to browse the Amazon store, for example, is less easy that simply using your PC&#8211;but the manual is easy to use and reasonably comprehensive. You don&#8217;t have to be tech savvy to use the features of the Kindle.</p>
<p>I do have one fairly minor complaint (it didn&#8217;t detract from my rating), but I really feel that the Kindle should come with a cover. They could have put together a cheap cover and still sold a better one, but a cover feels absolutely necessary to me.</p>
<p>I do recommend than anyone who purchases a Kindle take a look at the &#8220;999 boycott&#8221; tags, though. This is NOT a slam at Amazon or the Kindle, but a few publishers have decided not to pass the savings they receive by selling Kindle-format books on to their customers, charging standard book prices for ebooks. While they are free to do so, Kindle purchasers also have the right to say they won&#8217;t purchase books that don&#8217;t reflect at least some of these savings. Again, Amazon is not responsible for setting these prices, but the publishers need to be sent a message.</p>
<p>Go buy a Kindle 2.0 and support the publishers that understand what a boon for the publishing industry this is!</p>
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		<title>By: Science blogging versus journalism &#124; Bad Astronomy &#124; Discover Magazine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Science blogging versus journalism &#124; Bad Astronomy &#124; Discover Magazine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 18:00:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I&#8217;ve talked about this before, this new media we&#8217;re facing and embracing. Well, most of us are embracing it. Recently, fellow science/skeptic blogger Ben Goldacre ran into some static from a journalist who just doesn&#8217;t get it, and in fact appears to have his fingers firmly in his ears while he yells &quot;LALALALALALA!&quot;. I was all set to write about this, but yet another fellow science/skeptic blogger, Steve Novella, took the electrons right out of my keyboard. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] I&#8217;ve talked about this before, this new media we&#8217;re facing and embracing. Well, most of us are embracing it. Recently, fellow science/skeptic blogger Ben Goldacre ran into some static from a journalist who just doesn&#8217;t get it, and in fact appears to have his fingers firmly in his ears while he yells &quot;LALALALALALA!&quot;. I was all set to write about this, but yet another fellow science/skeptic blogger, Steve Novella, took the electrons right out of my keyboard. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Crumbling media &#124; Bad Astronomy &#124; Discover Magazine</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/09/13/the-evolution-of-revolution/comment-page-1/#comment-168158</link>
		<dc:creator>Crumbling media &#124; Bad Astronomy &#124; Discover Magazine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2009 16:00:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] actually don&#8217;t have too much to add here, mostly because I&#8217;ve said it before. Print media is dying, and people are analyzing it to death, but the cause is clear: for the most [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] actually don&#8217;t have too much to add here, mostly because I&#8217;ve said it before. Print media is dying, and people are analyzing it to death, but the cause is clear: for the most [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Burzycki.org - Tech and Interesting Facts</title>
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		<dc:creator>Burzycki.org - Tech and Interesting Facts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Oct 2007 06:46:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] running a space-related blog, and how it relates to publishing in the old world. It&#039;s the evolution of a revolution. I couldn&#039;t agree [...]</description>
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		<title>By: davidmkelly.net &#187; Another way.</title>
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		<dc:creator>davidmkelly.net &#187; Another way.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Sep 2007 23:30:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Astronomy guy (I don&#8217;t really want to call him the Bad Astronomer  ), recently brought up a post by Will Wheaton, known almost entirely for playing the part of the endlessly-irritating Wesley [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Astronomy guy (I don&#8217;t really want to call him the Bad Astronomer  ), recently brought up a post by Will Wheaton, known almost entirely for playing the part of the endlessly-irritating Wesley [...]</p>
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		<title>By: arensb</title>
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		<dc:creator>arensb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Sep 2007 19:25:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>IMHO the real value of &quot;real&quot; publications is in their reputation. I&#039;d rather get my news from the Washington Post or the NY Times than the Podunk Gazette, or someunknownsite.blogspot.com, because I know the big papers have reporters and editors who presumably know their stuff, and do their job well enough that if a story makes it past them, then it&#039;s not likely to be crap.

Likewise, research journals engage in editorial and peer review, which also helps ensure that those articles that make it into print aren&#039;t likely to be crap. Even sites like slashdot have an implicit promise that &quot;if you&#039;re interested in geek news, you&#039;ll find it here.&quot;

In short, editors provide a valuable service as crap filters. I can&#039;t see that going away any time soon. In fact, teh intertubes has much higher bandwidth than print media, so there&#039;s a hell of a lot more crap to be filtered.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>IMHO the real value of &#8220;real&#8221; publications is in their reputation. I&#8217;d rather get my news from the Washington Post or the NY Times than the Podunk Gazette, or someunknownsite.blogspot.com, because I know the big papers have reporters and editors who presumably know their stuff, and do their job well enough that if a story makes it past them, then it&#8217;s not likely to be crap.</p>
<p>Likewise, research journals engage in editorial and peer review, which also helps ensure that those articles that make it into print aren&#8217;t likely to be crap. Even sites like slashdot have an implicit promise that &#8220;if you&#8217;re interested in geek news, you&#8217;ll find it here.&#8221;</p>
<p>In short, editors provide a valuable service as crap filters. I can&#8217;t see that going away any time soon. In fact, teh intertubes has much higher bandwidth than print media, so there&#8217;s a hell of a lot more crap to be filtered.</p>
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		<title>By: Astrolink [International Edition] &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Astrosphere for September 17, 2007</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/09/13/the-evolution-of-revolution/comment-page-1/#comment-48354</link>
		<dc:creator>Astrolink [International Edition] &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Astrosphere for September 17, 2007</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Sep 2007 19:02:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] running a space-related blog, and how it relates to publishing in the old world. It&#039;s the evolution of a revolution. I couldn&#039;t agree [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Evolving Squid</title>
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		<dc:creator>Evolving Squid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Sep 2007 17:23:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Old media will die out a few months after computers bring us the paperless office that we were promised more than three decades ago.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Old media will die out a few months after computers bring us the paperless office that we were promised more than three decades ago.</p>
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		<title>By: Yogi-one</title>
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		<dc:creator>Yogi-one</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Sep 2007 17:21:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lots of great points on this discussion. I have taken to using a light yellow print on colored background on my sites (which are not purely text driven, since I have &quot;artsy&quot; sites).

Our thinking is moving towards adjusting to the online universe. Case in point being that black text on a white background is a format inherited simply from centuries of book-reading.

The medium will evolve its own standardized preferences, and as the technology keeps improving, the problem of reading a lot online will become less.

Also the nature of the medium will redefine what we now know a &quot;book publishing.&quot; Old thinking dominates this model too - for centuries we read books one page at a time, and in fact, in the very early days of writing, we even scrolled to the next page of content.

Now, however, a new, more fully integrated and interactive style of publishing is coming. The user now can choose how he wants the content displayed by setting preferences on his own computer (thus negating the idea that you have to format the book to a fine degree in the first place).

Secondly, instead of a continuous reading of paragraphs, the user reads a small chunk of material, then clicks on a video, views an image or interacts with a graph or chart, or even sends his own input back to the author or other readers. The pix, vids, graphs, and interactive elements are woven directly into the &quot;book&quot;.

The whole way of defining your readers experience will be changed.

This is not to say books will disappear. They will still continue to bind some books. But to stay competitive, they are going to have to open up online operations equal to or greater than their book-binding operations.

The price they pay if they don&#039;t is lost customers. And the quest for customers usually is sufficient to drive business models to change.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lots of great points on this discussion. I have taken to using a light yellow print on colored background on my sites (which are not purely text driven, since I have &#8220;artsy&#8221; sites).</p>
<p>Our thinking is moving towards adjusting to the online universe. Case in point being that black text on a white background is a format inherited simply from centuries of book-reading.</p>
<p>The medium will evolve its own standardized preferences, and as the technology keeps improving, the problem of reading a lot online will become less.</p>
<p>Also the nature of the medium will redefine what we now know a &#8220;book publishing.&#8221; Old thinking dominates this model too &#8211; for centuries we read books one page at a time, and in fact, in the very early days of writing, we even scrolled to the next page of content.</p>
<p>Now, however, a new, more fully integrated and interactive style of publishing is coming. The user now can choose how he wants the content displayed by setting preferences on his own computer (thus negating the idea that you have to format the book to a fine degree in the first place).</p>
<p>Secondly, instead of a continuous reading of paragraphs, the user reads a small chunk of material, then clicks on a video, views an image or interacts with a graph or chart, or even sends his own input back to the author or other readers. The pix, vids, graphs, and interactive elements are woven directly into the &#8220;book&#8221;.</p>
<p>The whole way of defining your readers experience will be changed.</p>
<p>This is not to say books will disappear. They will still continue to bind some books. But to stay competitive, they are going to have to open up online operations equal to or greater than their book-binding operations.</p>
<p>The price they pay if they don&#8217;t is lost customers. And the quest for customers usually is sufficient to drive business models to change.</p>
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		<title>By: AndreH</title>
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		<dc:creator>AndreH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Sep 2007 12:28:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do not believe the &quot;old media&quot; will die out. Ever tried to use a lap top in bed, in the bath tub, on the beach or hours away from the electricsl grid?
Ever tried to reread an article on a blog after a year or so? Ofcourse you could read a newspaper from a Laptop in the bus. But if you forget or loose the LapTap it will be a damage of several 100 bugs.

I agree the new media are faster and more interactive. It is nice to share opinion with other people. But books and magazines dying? No I don`t think so.

Andre</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do not believe the &#8220;old media&#8221; will die out. Ever tried to use a lap top in bed, in the bath tub, on the beach or hours away from the electricsl grid?<br />
Ever tried to reread an article on a blog after a year or so? Ofcourse you could read a newspaper from a Laptop in the bus. But if you forget or loose the LapTap it will be a damage of several 100 bugs.</p>
<p>I agree the new media are faster and more interactive. It is nice to share opinion with other people. But books and magazines dying? No I don`t think so.</p>
<p>Andre</p>
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		<title>By: Random Tangent</title>
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		<dc:creator>Random Tangent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Sep 2007 06:30:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Plait from the Bad Astronomy Blog then carried the discussion forward by talking about the problems we face when going through revolutions: Old media (especially movies [...]</description>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Sep 2007 22:57:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fraser, Phil, I think the weakness of your argument is that I still don&#039;t know a way to find the content that I like reliably.  Yes, the band that I would love to hear may be on YouTube right now, but I still end up relying on other people to find it, because I&#039;m not going to go through them all individually.  In practice, that means I find the things that are popular.  Then, not being immune to suggestion (You say *you* are immune to suggestion? You lie, sir.), I end up liking things *because* they are popular.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fraser, Phil, I think the weakness of your argument is that I still don&#8217;t know a way to find the content that I like reliably.  Yes, the band that I would love to hear may be on YouTube right now, but I still end up relying on other people to find it, because I&#8217;m not going to go through them all individually.  In practice, that means I find the things that are popular.  Then, not being immune to suggestion (You say *you* are immune to suggestion? You lie, sir.), I end up liking things *because* they are popular.</p>
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		<title>By: Fraser Cain</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fraser Cain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Sep 2007 21:09:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the nod Phil.

The point that I think people are missing here, is that it&#039;s not about Internet vs books. Youtube vs television. It&#039;s about stripping away the intermediaries between the creator of content, and the people who enjoy it. Goodbye gatekeepers.

In the past, there were a limited number of places a person could reach an audience. The gatekeepers made all the decisions. In some cases they had their finger on the pulse of what people wanted to see, and in other cases (Firefly, for example), they botched it in every single way possible.

The Internet as a model allows me, the producer (writer, recording artist, director, etc), to reach you without anyone deciding whether or not it&#039;s marketable. When you strip away all those intermediaries, there&#039;s plenty of money for the people who create the content.

When I write a book, I can release it in paper form, publish it over time as a blog, sell it as a downloadable book, read it out as a podcast, and set it to interpretive dance. The need for an external party to market and distribute it is over, as is their commission.

I still think you should publish the book yourself Phil. ;-) Baby steps, I understand.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the nod Phil.</p>
<p>The point that I think people are missing here, is that it&#8217;s not about Internet vs books. Youtube vs television. It&#8217;s about stripping away the intermediaries between the creator of content, and the people who enjoy it. Goodbye gatekeepers.</p>
<p>In the past, there were a limited number of places a person could reach an audience. The gatekeepers made all the decisions. In some cases they had their finger on the pulse of what people wanted to see, and in other cases (Firefly, for example), they botched it in every single way possible.</p>
<p>The Internet as a model allows me, the producer (writer, recording artist, director, etc), to reach you without anyone deciding whether or not it&#8217;s marketable. When you strip away all those intermediaries, there&#8217;s plenty of money for the people who create the content.</p>
<p>When I write a book, I can release it in paper form, publish it over time as a blog, sell it as a downloadable book, read it out as a podcast, and set it to interpretive dance. The need for an external party to market and distribute it is over, as is their commission.</p>
<p>I still think you should publish the book yourself Phil. <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' />  Baby steps, I understand.</p>
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		<title>By: Kat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Sep 2007 17:13:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thomas said: &lt;i&gt;&quot;when turning on the television, I know that Iâ€™m going to get a certain minimum quality product that I am not guaranteed through my computer&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

I disagree that you get a minimum quality product from the television. Yes, television shows generally have high-quality cameras, good sound, and well-paid content generators, but they don&#039;t always turn out good quality content---I&#039;ll offer the endless Reality TV shows as an example.
You still have to separate the chaff from the wheat with television.
Moreover, television lacks the community and social aspects of the Internet.  On the Internet, there are millions of other people who might be interested in the same kinds of things as you.  Chances are, a few of them have blogs or have established a web-forum to discuss the kinds of content the like.  These communities are great at separating the superstars from the average YouTuber.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thomas said: <i>&#8220;when turning on the television, I know that Iâ€™m going to get a certain minimum quality product that I am not guaranteed through my computer&#8221;</i></p>
<p>I disagree that you get a minimum quality product from the television. Yes, television shows generally have high-quality cameras, good sound, and well-paid content generators, but they don&#8217;t always turn out good quality content&#8212;I&#8217;ll offer the endless Reality TV shows as an example.<br />
You still have to separate the chaff from the wheat with television.<br />
Moreover, television lacks the community and social aspects of the Internet.  On the Internet, there are millions of other people who might be interested in the same kinds of things as you.  Chances are, a few of them have blogs or have established a web-forum to discuss the kinds of content the like.  These communities are great at separating the superstars from the average YouTuber.</p>
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		<title>By: Ken</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Sep 2007 15:41:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can&#039;t completely agree with you.  Old media definitely will have to change, but it&#039;s not yet even close to being on the way out (although I won&#039;t speak for newspapers).

I know at least on the radio side, you&#039;re always hearing from the iPod People blather on and on about how they haven&#039;t listened to radio in years and they only hear what they want and so on... yet, the audio stream from my station&#039;s website gets a phenomenal amount of listeners.  It took radio quite a few years to realize the benefit of streaming their audio, which they didn&#039;t want to do because of royalty payments, but now they find they can complement their listener base tremendously and increase ad revenue significantly.

This is a pain in the neck for me as a producer, because now I have to produce two versions of any piece I put on the air, one for broadcast, one for streaming.  But I know at least radio is adapting.  I can see it in TV too, although cable&#039;s doing a much better job so far.  However, it was very neat and smart of NBC to put their new fall shows (including Bionic Woman) on Amazon Unbox for free downloads to Tivos and PCs.  I&#039;d love to know the number of downloads they&#039;ve gotten...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t completely agree with you.  Old media definitely will have to change, but it&#8217;s not yet even close to being on the way out (although I won&#8217;t speak for newspapers).</p>
<p>I know at least on the radio side, you&#8217;re always hearing from the iPod People blather on and on about how they haven&#8217;t listened to radio in years and they only hear what they want and so on&#8230; yet, the audio stream from my station&#8217;s website gets a phenomenal amount of listeners.  It took radio quite a few years to realize the benefit of streaming their audio, which they didn&#8217;t want to do because of royalty payments, but now they find they can complement their listener base tremendously and increase ad revenue significantly.</p>
<p>This is a pain in the neck for me as a producer, because now I have to produce two versions of any piece I put on the air, one for broadcast, one for streaming.  But I know at least radio is adapting.  I can see it in TV too, although cable&#8217;s doing a much better job so far.  However, it was very neat and smart of NBC to put their new fall shows (including Bionic Woman) on Amazon Unbox for free downloads to Tivos and PCs.  I&#8217;d love to know the number of downloads they&#8217;ve gotten&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: KaiYeves</title>
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		<dc:creator>KaiYeves</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Sep 2007 15:25:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But BA, if you&#039;re on the web, only we geeks can read about you. If you want to go more mainstream, you need the old media, too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But BA, if you&#8217;re on the web, only we geeks can read about you. If you want to go more mainstream, you need the old media, too.</p>
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		<title>By: Ed Minchau</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ed Minchau</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Sep 2007 15:20:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to agree with you nearly completely, Phil (and isn&#039;t that a refreshing change?) - the only point on which our views do not align here is with books.  I recently read Accelerando, and somehow the fact that it was a Word file was more appropriate for the content than printed dead-tree form would be.  Having said that, books are here to stay; the facts that one doesn&#039;t need electricity to read them, and that their durability is measured in centuries, are huge bonuses in their favor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to agree with you nearly completely, Phil (and isn&#8217;t that a refreshing change?) &#8211; the only point on which our views do not align here is with books.  I recently read Accelerando, and somehow the fact that it was a Word file was more appropriate for the content than printed dead-tree form would be.  Having said that, books are here to stay; the facts that one doesn&#8217;t need electricity to read them, and that their durability is measured in centuries, are huge bonuses in their favor.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Sep 2007 15:09:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This appeared on Warren Ellis&#039; mailing list Bad Signal back in may.  A good explanation of why the web beats most magazines. (fair use):

&quot;I love print.  I love magazines that commit and pay for long articles
and long fiction.  The web rewards neither approach.  It&#039;s a packeted
medium, a surf medium.  Short bursts are the way to go.  The web
isn&#039;t a replacement medium -- it&#039;s *another&quot; medium.  That said, if
your concept of a magazine is something designed in one-page
bursts, or three pages that only carry 500 words due to the mass of
images, then, really, you&#039;re not doing anything the web can&#039;t do
better, are you?&quot;


***

I havenâ€™t picked up a copy of Wired in years but I read two or three of their blogs daily.

Just as an aside: I love books but I hate dead trees.  We should have started making paper out of hemp or other massively renewable plants a long time ago.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This appeared on Warren Ellis&#8217; mailing list Bad Signal back in may.  A good explanation of why the web beats most magazines. (fair use):</p>
<p>&#8220;I love print.  I love magazines that commit and pay for long articles<br />
and long fiction.  The web rewards neither approach.  It&#8217;s a packeted<br />
medium, a surf medium.  Short bursts are the way to go.  The web<br />
isn&#8217;t a replacement medium &#8212; it&#8217;s *another&#8221; medium.  That said, if<br />
your concept of a magazine is something designed in one-page<br />
bursts, or three pages that only carry 500 words due to the mass of<br />
images, then, really, you&#8217;re not doing anything the web can&#8217;t do<br />
better, are you?&#8221;</p>
<p>***</p>
<p>I havenâ€™t picked up a copy of Wired in years but I read two or three of their blogs daily.</p>
<p>Just as an aside: I love books but I hate dead trees.  We should have started making paper out of hemp or other massively renewable plants a long time ago.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Sep 2007 14:30:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To a large extent I agree with Thomas up there, especially in regards to the utter lack of quality control on the Internet. YouTube is a prime example of this, and my first encounter with the concept was when I hung out on Fictionpress.com back when I was in high school.

Part of me wants to say that the fact that any Joe with a webcam can post videos to YouTube is going to discourage *real* artists from trying to stand out from the crowd, but even I know that&#039;s silly. Part of this whole democratization of information thing does bother me, but it&#039;s mainly because I really do prefer books and newspapers and I don&#039;t want to see them left behind. But &quot;real&quot; artists are always going to be striving to stand out from the crowd, and part of me hopes they don&#039;t have to give in to the YouTube hysteria just to survive.

But one point Thomas didn&#039;t touch upon is that, in the near future, people are going to start to realize how silly it is to own a TV and a computer when the latter can do the job of both. Nonetheless, that won&#039;t kill the &quot;old media&quot; television format, because only the existing television studios have the resources necessary to create shows with decent production values. They&#039;re just going to start doing it over the Internet. The current cable and satellite models are going to die out, I think. The current cable infrastructure will survive, of course, to provide us with broadband Internet, but I don&#039;t know if satellite television will make it through.

NBC is already catching on. You can watch their shows in their entirety on the Internet. Free but ad-supported, which is no worse than TV commercials. Brilliant idea, I think, and the only person who loses out is the cable provider (unless you&#039;re watching it over your cable provider&#039;s ISP, of course, like I am). But the quality is crap, so until Internet speeds can handle high-def streaming, people are still going to be motivated to go out and buy Heroes on DVD.

So Thomas is right; old media will adapt. TV will have the easiest time, as I described above. Newspapers? Maybe not so much.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To a large extent I agree with Thomas up there, especially in regards to the utter lack of quality control on the Internet. YouTube is a prime example of this, and my first encounter with the concept was when I hung out on Fictionpress.com back when I was in high school.</p>
<p>Part of me wants to say that the fact that any Joe with a webcam can post videos to YouTube is going to discourage *real* artists from trying to stand out from the crowd, but even I know that&#8217;s silly. Part of this whole democratization of information thing does bother me, but it&#8217;s mainly because I really do prefer books and newspapers and I don&#8217;t want to see them left behind. But &#8220;real&#8221; artists are always going to be striving to stand out from the crowd, and part of me hopes they don&#8217;t have to give in to the YouTube hysteria just to survive.</p>
<p>But one point Thomas didn&#8217;t touch upon is that, in the near future, people are going to start to realize how silly it is to own a TV and a computer when the latter can do the job of both. Nonetheless, that won&#8217;t kill the &#8220;old media&#8221; television format, because only the existing television studios have the resources necessary to create shows with decent production values. They&#8217;re just going to start doing it over the Internet. The current cable and satellite models are going to die out, I think. The current cable infrastructure will survive, of course, to provide us with broadband Internet, but I don&#8217;t know if satellite television will make it through.</p>
<p>NBC is already catching on. You can watch their shows in their entirety on the Internet. Free but ad-supported, which is no worse than TV commercials. Brilliant idea, I think, and the only person who loses out is the cable provider (unless you&#8217;re watching it over your cable provider&#8217;s ISP, of course, like I am). But the quality is crap, so until Internet speeds can handle high-def streaming, people are still going to be motivated to go out and buy Heroes on DVD.</p>
<p>So Thomas is right; old media will adapt. TV will have the easiest time, as I described above. Newspapers? Maybe not so much.</p>
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		<title>By: Evolving Squid</title>
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		<dc:creator>Evolving Squid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Sep 2007 14:29:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I must admit, I&#039;m a bit of a luddite in that I prefer books, magazines and newspapers.  I read a few blogs online, but I do that as much for the discussions that accompany each article as I do for the articles themselves.

The problem with &quot;the tubes&quot; is that it means money is going out of the &quot;old media&quot;.  If the money goes out of it, a lot of content of all sorts is going to disappear.  Sure any actor can make a movie and post it on YouTube, but I enjoy seeing the occasional blockbuster, and you won&#039;t get blockbusters posted on YouTube because those blockbusters cost big bucks to produce.  The people who make them will want to recover that cost and won&#039;t be motivated to produce them if there&#039;s little chance of recovery and profit.

The alternative, of course, is advertising on the net.  But I think it&#039;s fair to say that most people think advertising on web pages is, at best, irritating, and at worst, an abomination.  Personally, I go out of my way to block advertising, as do many others.  Web sites are already starting to emerge that will block users who use ad blockers.

So where does that leave us?  I agree that old media is dying.  New media is going to have to have a paradigm shift, however, if we collectively plan to maintain the selection and quality of media we have.  It&#039;s a fact that advertising and consumer dollars pay for this stuff.  Unless people are prepared to start accepting advertising happily, or paying subscriptions to web content, there is going to be a problem much sooner than later.  Right now, neither option is deemed acceptable and that is only a supportable position because other media sources are available.

Advertising is a major issue.  With traditional media, you can pay a premium price for advertising-reduced media (Consumer Reports magazine has no advertising, for example), or you can ignore the advertising (I throw the flyers in the newspaper directly into the recycling bin).  With computers, the advertising is much more in-your-face with cookies and pop-ups, adware and spyware, look-at-my-ads-or-get-lost code, and so forth.  The consumer is getting less choice.

To put it simply, I&#039;ll pay $50 to buy a hardcover copy of a book rather than read the book online for free with each page having a banner ad.  I believe I am not alone in that stance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I must admit, I&#8217;m a bit of a luddite in that I prefer books, magazines and newspapers.  I read a few blogs online, but I do that as much for the discussions that accompany each article as I do for the articles themselves.</p>
<p>The problem with &#8220;the tubes&#8221; is that it means money is going out of the &#8220;old media&#8221;.  If the money goes out of it, a lot of content of all sorts is going to disappear.  Sure any actor can make a movie and post it on YouTube, but I enjoy seeing the occasional blockbuster, and you won&#8217;t get blockbusters posted on YouTube because those blockbusters cost big bucks to produce.  The people who make them will want to recover that cost and won&#8217;t be motivated to produce them if there&#8217;s little chance of recovery and profit.</p>
<p>The alternative, of course, is advertising on the net.  But I think it&#8217;s fair to say that most people think advertising on web pages is, at best, irritating, and at worst, an abomination.  Personally, I go out of my way to block advertising, as do many others.  Web sites are already starting to emerge that will block users who use ad blockers.</p>
<p>So where does that leave us?  I agree that old media is dying.  New media is going to have to have a paradigm shift, however, if we collectively plan to maintain the selection and quality of media we have.  It&#8217;s a fact that advertising and consumer dollars pay for this stuff.  Unless people are prepared to start accepting advertising happily, or paying subscriptions to web content, there is going to be a problem much sooner than later.  Right now, neither option is deemed acceptable and that is only a supportable position because other media sources are available.</p>
<p>Advertising is a major issue.  With traditional media, you can pay a premium price for advertising-reduced media (Consumer Reports magazine has no advertising, for example), or you can ignore the advertising (I throw the flyers in the newspaper directly into the recycling bin).  With computers, the advertising is much more in-your-face with cookies and pop-ups, adware and spyware, look-at-my-ads-or-get-lost code, and so forth.  The consumer is getting less choice.</p>
<p>To put it simply, I&#8217;ll pay $50 to buy a hardcover copy of a book rather than read the book online for free with each page having a banner ad.  I believe I am not alone in that stance.</p>
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		<title>By: Al</title>
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		<dc:creator>Al</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Sep 2007 14:03:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some time ago there was a Danish (IIRC) TV ad featuring two men and a buzzing insect in a train compartment. One tried to swat the insect with his newspaper, the book reader calmly waited until the insect was in range, then flattened it by deftly snapping his book shut around it. I imagine the contrast would be even funnier with electronic media...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some time ago there was a Danish (IIRC) TV ad featuring two men and a buzzing insect in a train compartment. One tried to swat the insect with his newspaper, the book reader calmly waited until the insect was in range, then flattened it by deftly snapping his book shut around it. I imagine the contrast would be even funnier with electronic media&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Edward Cohen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Edward Cohen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Sep 2007 13:33:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love to read a good book. Reading off the monitor
is a little tiring.
Off the subject, Isaac Asimov&#039;s &quot;Foundation&quot; would
make a great mini-series. Or maybe, not so mini.
Thanks for the interesting reading.

Ed</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love to read a good book. Reading off the monitor<br />
is a little tiring.<br />
Off the subject, Isaac Asimov&#8217;s &#8220;Foundation&#8221; would<br />
make a great mini-series. Or maybe, not so mini.<br />
Thanks for the interesting reading.</p>
<p>Ed</p>
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		<title>By: Doc</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Sep 2007 13:07:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As an aspiring author, I&#039;ve been considering the &quot;necessity&quot; of books a lot in the past several years, and there are a couple of points I keep coming back to:

1.  I can&#039;t take a computer into the bathroom with me.  A small, light ebook reader would take care of this issue, but I&#039;d still be more reluctant to use an expensive piece of electronics while in the bathtub.

2.  Similarly, a cheap paperback is great to have on the beach where sun, sand, salt water, and neglect could cause problems for electronics.

3.  People are more likely to steal an ebook reader than a book.

4.  Even after a hundred years, a book&#039;s batteries don&#039;t run out.

5.  When the publishing industry changes printing formats you don&#039;t need to have a book converted to the new standard, buy new reading equipment, or throw out all your books and buy them again.

6.  Sometimes when doing research, I have two or three books open at once.  Sure I could do this digitally, but to have exactly the same effect I would need to have two or three full-sized ebook readers.

7.  Audiobooks are nice, but they&#039;re no substitute for the written word.  The brain processes text in a very different way than it does sound, and reading is the closest thing we&#039;ve got to having a data port in our heads.

I&#039;m not a Luddite though.  I think that electronic texts are invaluable for many purposes.  In fact I recently finished transcribing a 15th century text into digital format to allow it to be shared and used more easily.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As an aspiring author, I&#8217;ve been considering the &#8220;necessity&#8221; of books a lot in the past several years, and there are a couple of points I keep coming back to:</p>
<p>1.  I can&#8217;t take a computer into the bathroom with me.  A small, light ebook reader would take care of this issue, but I&#8217;d still be more reluctant to use an expensive piece of electronics while in the bathtub.</p>
<p>2.  Similarly, a cheap paperback is great to have on the beach where sun, sand, salt water, and neglect could cause problems for electronics.</p>
<p>3.  People are more likely to steal an ebook reader than a book.</p>
<p>4.  Even after a hundred years, a book&#8217;s batteries don&#8217;t run out.</p>
<p>5.  When the publishing industry changes printing formats you don&#8217;t need to have a book converted to the new standard, buy new reading equipment, or throw out all your books and buy them again.</p>
<p>6.  Sometimes when doing research, I have two or three books open at once.  Sure I could do this digitally, but to have exactly the same effect I would need to have two or three full-sized ebook readers.</p>
<p>7.  Audiobooks are nice, but they&#8217;re no substitute for the written word.  The brain processes text in a very different way than it does sound, and reading is the closest thing we&#8217;ve got to having a data port in our heads.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not a Luddite though.  I think that electronic texts are invaluable for many purposes.  In fact I recently finished transcribing a 15th century text into digital format to allow it to be shared and used more easily.</p>
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		<title>By: Gnat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gnat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Sep 2007 12:46:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As someone who has neither a blog nor a cursory interest in IT, and therefore a low-level grasp on many things internet, I think everyone&#039;s comments immensly interesting.  I don&#039;t have an ipod (I wouldn&#039;t even know how to begin downloading a pod-cast), I don&#039;t text message anything, and I don&#039;t even have internet access at home (I use work&#039;s, which means there are a LOT of sites I have never seen).

All that being said, I don&#039;t have any magazines or newspapers anymore.  I visit various newsites (some from traditional networks, some not) and surf the web for the fun stuff I used to get in magazines.  Is &quot;surfing&quot; still an accepted term?

So, if someone as barbaric as I am can be so affected by the internet, I do think newspapers and magazines are dying.  But maybe they&#039;ll pull a &quot;Doctor Who&quot; and become something with new teeth.

But books are forever for simply one reason: they are romantic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As someone who has neither a blog nor a cursory interest in IT, and therefore a low-level grasp on many things internet, I think everyone&#8217;s comments immensly interesting.  I don&#8217;t have an ipod (I wouldn&#8217;t even know how to begin downloading a pod-cast), I don&#8217;t text message anything, and I don&#8217;t even have internet access at home (I use work&#8217;s, which means there are a LOT of sites I have never seen).</p>
<p>All that being said, I don&#8217;t have any magazines or newspapers anymore.  I visit various newsites (some from traditional networks, some not) and surf the web for the fun stuff I used to get in magazines.  Is &#8220;surfing&#8221; still an accepted term?</p>
<p>So, if someone as barbaric as I am can be so affected by the internet, I do think newspapers and magazines are dying.  But maybe they&#8217;ll pull a &#8220;Doctor Who&#8221; and become something with new teeth.</p>
<p>But books are forever for simply one reason: they are romantic.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Sep 2007 11:53:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I work for a traditional magazine publishers and have been advocating the need to evolve more as a web-based publisher. For some reason though there seems to be a lot of reluctance in the industry as a whole, maybe this is down to advertising revenues in traditional print vs online, or maybe a fear that the web-bubble might burst (again)!

Only now (in 2007) are the company I work for doing things that were mooted way back in 2001.

Jason</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I work for a traditional magazine publishers and have been advocating the need to evolve more as a web-based publisher. For some reason though there seems to be a lot of reluctance in the industry as a whole, maybe this is down to advertising revenues in traditional print vs online, or maybe a fear that the web-bubble might burst (again)!</p>
<p>Only now (in 2007) are the company I work for doing things that were mooted way back in 2001.</p>
<p>Jason</p>
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