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	<title>Comments on: Bride grooming</title>
	<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/09/14/bride-grooming/</link>
	<description>I am an astronomer, writer, and skeptic. I likes reality the way it is, and I aims to keep it that way. My real name is Phil Plait, and I run the Bad Astronomy blog.</description>
	<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 02:52:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Diacoli</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/09/14/bride-grooming/#comment-48521</link>
		<dc:creator>Diacoli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Sep 2007 17:45:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why is it people dismiss creation/origin stories from Greece, Egyptian, Chinese, Australian Aboriginal (Dreamtime), etc, as myths - even though they are widely documented and passed down through history?

But somehow when it comes to the Bible, the creationist story in there are taken as fact? What stops the other cultures from claiming that their myths are historical fact?

It just seems to me that Christians had a better publicity and marketing campaign to 'spread the word' back in the day. Kinda like Coca Cola.

And just FYI - I was brought up in a very strict (and still very strict) Roman Catholic environment. Eventually, I just couldn't ignore the huge inconsistencies and contradictions in the Bible. But don't tell my mother...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why is it people dismiss creation/origin stories from Greece, Egyptian, Chinese, Australian Aboriginal (Dreamtime), etc, as myths - even though they are widely documented and passed down through history?</p>
<p>But somehow when it comes to the Bible, the creationist story in there are taken as fact? What stops the other cultures from claiming that their myths are historical fact?</p>
<p>It just seems to me that Christians had a better publicity and marketing campaign to &#8217;spread the word&#8217; back in the day. Kinda like Coca Cola.</p>
<p>And just FYI - I was brought up in a very strict (and still very strict) Roman Catholic environment. Eventually, I just couldn&#8217;t ignore the huge inconsistencies and contradictions in the Bible. But don&#8217;t tell my mother&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: DennyMo</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/09/14/bride-grooming/#comment-48478</link>
		<dc:creator>DennyMo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Sep 2007 15:20:09 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/09/14/bride-grooming/#comment-48478</guid>
		<description>Daffy - Would you please supply "addresses" for your examples from Lev. and Ps.?  Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Daffy - Would you please supply &#8220;addresses&#8221; for your examples from Lev. and Ps.?  Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Quiet Desperation</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/09/14/bride-grooming/#comment-48474</link>
		<dc:creator>Quiet Desperation</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Sep 2007 04:57:12 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/09/14/bride-grooming/#comment-48474</guid>
		<description>&#62;&#62;&#62; I canâ€™t imagine how you think mocking will help.

It's the Penn &#38; Teller Syndrome. I've railed against it myself in favor of a kindler, gentler approach. For example, I'd wager a month's salary that I have turned more people away from Sylvia Browne then P&#38;T have with all their media exposure and TV shows.

Currently, I'm trying to convince my parents that the NAFTA Superhighway does not exist, will not exist, and not to send money to the "anti-highway" group that keeps sending them requests in the mail.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;&gt;&gt; I canâ€™t imagine how you think mocking will help.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s the Penn &amp; Teller Syndrome. I&#8217;ve railed against it myself in favor of a kindler, gentler approach. For example, I&#8217;d wager a month&#8217;s salary that I have turned more people away from Sylvia Browne then P&amp;T have with all their media exposure and TV shows.</p>
<p>Currently, I&#8217;m trying to convince my parents that the NAFTA Superhighway does not exist, will not exist, and not to send money to the &#8220;anti-highway&#8221; group that keeps sending them requests in the mail.</p>
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		<title>By: Quiet Desperation</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/09/14/bride-grooming/#comment-48476</link>
		<dc:creator>Quiet Desperation</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Sep 2007 04:51:39 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/09/14/bride-grooming/#comment-48476</guid>
		<description>&#62;&#62;&#62;  foolish notions about arranged marriages,
&#62;&#62;&#62; selling women, and the like.

The problem is that there is a huge difference between a culture with a long tradition of arranged marriages and the concept of "selling women". You are lumping together very dissimilar things and being quite bigoted in this case, my gringo. I almost expeced a Homer Simpson comment like, "They're funny because they dress differently!"

And to be blunt: The USA has about a 50% divorce rate. Who the f*** are we to deride anyone on that front?

Here is one woman's view:

http://www.courses.psu.edu/hd_fs/hd_fs315_rxj9/proposal.htm

&#62;&#62;&#62; I will say this out loud and squarely: any institution â€”
&#62;&#62;&#62; government, religion, or otherwise â€” that treats women
&#62;&#62;&#62; as anything less than men should be derided and
&#62;&#62;&#62; humiliated publicly,

Well, Islam is a huge offender on that front, so have at it:

http://www.islam-watch.org/IW/WomenInIslam.htm

I expect a blog entry on this within a week.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;&gt;&gt;  foolish notions about arranged marriages,<br />
&gt;&gt;&gt; selling women, and the like.</p>
<p>The problem is that there is a huge difference between a culture with a long tradition of arranged marriages and the concept of &#8220;selling women&#8221;. You are lumping together very dissimilar things and being quite bigoted in this case, my gringo. I almost expeced a Homer Simpson comment like, &#8220;They&#8217;re funny because they dress differently!&#8221;</p>
<p>And to be blunt: The USA has about a 50% divorce rate. Who the f*** are we to deride anyone on that front?</p>
<p>Here is one woman&#8217;s view:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.courses.psu.edu/hd_fs/hd_fs315_rxj9/proposal.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.courses.psu.edu/hd_fs/hd_fs315_rxj9/proposal.htm</a></p>
<p>&gt;&gt;&gt; I will say this out loud and squarely: any institution â€”<br />
&gt;&gt;&gt; government, religion, or otherwise â€” that treats women<br />
&gt;&gt;&gt; as anything less than men should be derided and<br />
&gt;&gt;&gt; humiliated publicly,</p>
<p>Well, Islam is a huge offender on that front, so have at it:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.islam-watch.org/IW/WomenInIslam.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.islam-watch.org/IW/WomenInIslam.htm</a></p>
<p>I expect a blog entry on this within a week.</p>
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		<title>By: Quiet Desperation</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/09/14/bride-grooming/#comment-48475</link>
		<dc:creator>Quiet Desperation</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Sep 2007 04:28:05 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/09/14/bride-grooming/#comment-48475</guid>
		<description>It's fake? DAMMIT!!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s fake? DAMMIT!!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Ken G</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/09/14/bride-grooming/#comment-48479</link>
		<dc:creator>Ken G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Sep 2007 18:42:28 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/09/14/bride-grooming/#comment-48479</guid>
		<description>Thank you for your string of balanced and logical posts Marlayna, you are the voice of reason in this thread.   I agree that everything Phil said is true, and his heart is in the right place (to support women when they are subjected to appallingly harmful attitudes), and he has every right to voice his opinion on his own blog-- but it's not really the say to help women.

The target of the ridicule has to be better focused than on simply "religious fundamentalism".  That's a relatively small contributor to the overall problem.  For example-- how much worse is it to treat women like property than to treat them like sex symbols whose sole value to society comes between the ages of 16 and 25?  But which culture could I possibly be talking about there?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for your string of balanced and logical posts Marlayna, you are the voice of reason in this thread.   I agree that everything Phil said is true, and his heart is in the right place (to support women when they are subjected to appallingly harmful attitudes), and he has every right to voice his opinion on his own blog&#8211; but it&#8217;s not really the say to help women.</p>
<p>The target of the ridicule has to be better focused than on simply &#8220;religious fundamentalism&#8221;.  That&#8217;s a relatively small contributor to the overall problem.  For example&#8211; how much worse is it to treat women like property than to treat them like sex symbols whose sole value to society comes between the ages of 16 and 25?  But which culture could I possibly be talking about there?</p>
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		<title>By: Marlayna</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/09/14/bride-grooming/#comment-48483</link>
		<dc:creator>Marlayna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Sep 2007 17:13:03 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/09/14/bride-grooming/#comment-48483</guid>
		<description>I'd like very much to see people like that get what they deserve, Michelle, but these sects have ways of protecting themselves from what they perceive as an attack on their culture... all the worse if they are cut off from the rest of the world. Hostility and ridicule toward their religion would probably give their leaders the chance to draw their followers into even deeper isolation.

But I must confess I don't have enough information about mormons to say for sure what should be done.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d like very much to see people like that get what they deserve, Michelle, but these sects have ways of protecting themselves from what they perceive as an attack on their culture&#8230; all the worse if they are cut off from the rest of the world. Hostility and ridicule toward their religion would probably give their leaders the chance to draw their followers into even deeper isolation.</p>
<p>But I must confess I don&#8217;t have enough information about mormons to say for sure what should be done.</p>
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