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	<title>Comments on: How ignorant can you be and still get on TV?</title>
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	<description>I am an astronomer, writer, and skeptic. I likes reality the way it is, and I aims to keep it that way. My real name is Phil Plait, and I run the Bad Astronomy blog.</description>
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		<title>By: Weekly Potpourri: WTF-ery Edition &#171; Snarkadelia</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/09/18/how-ignorant-can-you-be-and-still-get-on-tv/comment-page-3/#comment-278493</link>
		<dc:creator>Weekly Potpourri: WTF-ery Edition &#171; Snarkadelia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jun 2010 02:05:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Now, before we get all crazy, let&#8217;s think about this for a second. This is a woman who isn&#8217;t sure if the EARTH IS A BALL. Do people really take anything she says seriously? I mean, there are ignorant fools out there who [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Now, before we get all crazy, let&#8217;s think about this for a second. This is a woman who isn&#8217;t sure if the EARTH IS A BALL. Do people really take anything she says seriously? I mean, there are ignorant fools out there who [...]</p>
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		<title>By: tv</title>
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		<dc:creator>tv</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 15:59:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TV likes to put dumb people on TV.
Then all the people at home either feel equal or superior to  the dummy on TV.

There is a huge portion of the US population who is extremely ignorant.
And advertisers love ignorance.

It all makes perfect sense, really</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TV likes to put dumb people on TV.<br />
Then all the people at home either feel equal or superior to  the dummy on TV.</p>
<p>There is a huge portion of the US population who is extremely ignorant.<br />
And advertisers love ignorance.</p>
<p>It all makes perfect sense, really</p>
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		<title>By: Gordon P. Hemsley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gordon P. Hemsley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 20:19:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Come on, now. Everyone knows the Earth is an oblate spheroid.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Come on, now. Everyone knows the Earth is an oblate spheroid.</p>
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		<title>By: Psychic view &#124; Bad Astronomy &#124; Discover Magazine</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/09/18/how-ignorant-can-you-be-and-still-get-on-tv/comment-page-3/#comment-221188</link>
		<dc:creator>Psychic view &#124; Bad Astronomy &#124; Discover Magazine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 17:34:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] don&#8217;t expect a lot out of the daytime TV show The View. After all, if one of your four hosts isn&#8217;t sure the Earth is round, and you don&#8217;t immediately replace her with someone who&#8217;s views are more up-to-date [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] don&#8217;t expect a lot out of the daytime TV show The View. After all, if one of your four hosts isn&#8217;t sure the Earth is round, and you don&#8217;t immediately replace her with someone who&#8217;s views are more up-to-date [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Jay</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 19:15:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Daniel from Uruguay,
I envy you.

North America is full of crackpots that someone how believe whatever they think is true just because, no proof needed.

Evangelicism and the supposed moral majority (who constantly get caught have sex in public washrooms) has ruined the US in particular and pandering by political parties to these deluded people has given these people legitimacy. Its becoming a Christian fundamentalist state much like the ones in the Middle East controlled by Islam. Truth and facts no longer count. Just conviction.

I commend your country and its secularity, especially the fact Christmas and Holy Week are not recognized by the state. The way it should be otherwise you are supporting only one faction in your country which causes what you see in the Middle East and soon in the US.

As for third world status, thats a label conjured up by those who believe selling your soul for the almighty dollar is everything. Life is secondary.

Cheers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Daniel from Uruguay,<br />
I envy you.</p>
<p>North America is full of crackpots that someone how believe whatever they think is true just because, no proof needed.</p>
<p>Evangelicism and the supposed moral majority (who constantly get caught have sex in public washrooms) has ruined the US in particular and pandering by political parties to these deluded people has given these people legitimacy. Its becoming a Christian fundamentalist state much like the ones in the Middle East controlled by Islam. Truth and facts no longer count. Just conviction.</p>
<p>I commend your country and its secularity, especially the fact Christmas and Holy Week are not recognized by the state. The way it should be otherwise you are supporting only one faction in your country which causes what you see in the Middle East and soon in the US.</p>
<p>As for third world status, thats a label conjured up by those who believe selling your soul for the almighty dollar is everything. Life is secondary.</p>
<p>Cheers.</p>
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		<title>By: Why is this Woman on TV? &#171; Blevkog</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/09/18/how-ignorant-can-you-be-and-still-get-on-tv/comment-page-3/#comment-49051</link>
		<dc:creator>Why is this Woman on TV? &#171; Blevkog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 15:42:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] on December 5, 2007  Â Back when I&#8217;d read about a co-host of &#8220;The View&#8221; claiming that she didn&#8217;t know if whether the world was flat I just thought &#8216;What the hell - It&#8217;s &#8216;The View&#8221; - you only get on that show [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] on December 5, 2007  Â Back when I&#8217;d read about a co-host of &#8220;The View&#8221; claiming that she didn&#8217;t know if whether the world was flat I just thought &#8216;What the hell &#8211; It&#8217;s &#8216;The View&#8221; &#8211; you only get on that show [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Depleted Cranium &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Jesus Christ, can Sherri Shephard Get Dumber?</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/09/18/how-ignorant-can-you-be-and-still-get-on-tv/comment-page-3/#comment-49050</link>
		<dc:creator>Depleted Cranium &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Jesus Christ, can Sherri Shephard Get Dumber?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 03:54:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] have heard a while back one of the ladies on &#8220;The View&#8221; wasn&#8217;t really sure if the earth was flat or round. Well, I let that one pass because it had already been written about to death on a bunch of other [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] have heard a while back one of the ladies on &#8220;The View&#8221; wasn&#8217;t really sure if the earth was flat or round. Well, I let that one pass because it had already been written about to death on a bunch of other [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Newton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Newton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Oct 2007 19:40:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;actually evolution is still q theory&quot;

So is gravity you silly twit...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;actually evolution is still q theory&#8221;</p>
<p>So is gravity you silly twit&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: ?Rmg</title>
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		<dc:creator>?Rmg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Oct 2007 17:35:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>actually evolution is still q theory</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>actually evolution is still q theory</p>
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		<title>By: Episode 7 - Pepperoni or Cheese n' Crackers? &#124; The Search for Molly Ivins</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/09/18/how-ignorant-can-you-be-and-still-get-on-tv/comment-page-3/#comment-49047</link>
		<dc:creator>Episode 7 - Pepperoni or Cheese n' Crackers? &#124; The Search for Molly Ivins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Sep 2007 00:34:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] has lost it&#8217;s course entirely with the pick up of their newest dumbbell&#8230; according to Sherri Shepherd the world is FLAT and we don&#8217;t evolve&#8230; well we were until this moron started to rattle [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] has lost it&#8217;s course entirely with the pick up of their newest dumbbell&#8230; according to Sherri Shepherd the world is FLAT and we don&#8217;t evolve&#8230; well we were until this moron started to rattle [...]</p>
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		<title>By: lizardsmells</title>
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		<dc:creator>lizardsmells</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Sep 2007 18:26:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Every day I am reminded again and again why it is that I rarely watch network TV.  I find syndicated adult-geared cartoons to be of more intelligence and wit than anything I find on the major 3.

By the way, I really, really like your blog here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Every day I am reminded again and again why it is that I rarely watch network TV.  I find syndicated adult-geared cartoons to be of more intelligence and wit than anything I find on the major 3.</p>
<p>By the way, I really, really like your blog here.</p>
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		<title>By: MICHAEL SCHMITZ</title>
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		<dc:creator>MICHAEL SCHMITZ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Sep 2007 03:22:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>myinventube@www.inventube.com</description>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Sep 2007 01:33:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was right with you, until you started to assume that USian daytime TV might contain some form of valid content.

I live in the UK, and our TV is bad. We&#039;re only catching up with the US criteria for bad TV, so I don&#039;t really understand why the fact that some idiot on daytime TV (of any country) would cause you any concern.

If I spent my time worrying about the content of daytime TV shows, I wouldn&#039;t have time to worry about the idiots who are really trying to ruin the world. She&#039;s not exactly a decision-maker, after all.

If she had said that we should invade another country, and was in a position to make that decision, that would be another issue. But she&#039;s just some TV show host. So it doesn&#039;t matter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was right with you, until you started to assume that USian daytime TV might contain some form of valid content.</p>
<p>I live in the UK, and our TV is bad. We&#8217;re only catching up with the US criteria for bad TV, so I don&#8217;t really understand why the fact that some idiot on daytime TV (of any country) would cause you any concern.</p>
<p>If I spent my time worrying about the content of daytime TV shows, I wouldn&#8217;t have time to worry about the idiots who are really trying to ruin the world. She&#8217;s not exactly a decision-maker, after all.</p>
<p>If she had said that we should invade another country, and was in a position to make that decision, that would be another issue. But she&#8217;s just some TV show host. So it doesn&#8217;t matter.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Sep 2007 23:40:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I may have my metaphors mixed, but wasn&#039;t it P.T. Barnum who said that you would never go broke underestimating the intelligence of the customer? That is doubly true of television; that&#039;s what keeps me away from it. Every time I find myself sitting near a television, an occurrence that gets increasingly rare by the year, I can just feel the neurons in my brain begin to collapse.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I may have my metaphors mixed, but wasn&#8217;t it P.T. Barnum who said that you would never go broke underestimating the intelligence of the customer? That is doubly true of television; that&#8217;s what keeps me away from it. Every time I find myself sitting near a television, an occurrence that gets increasingly rare by the year, I can just feel the neurons in my brain begin to collapse.</p>
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		<title>By: bipolar2</title>
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		<dc:creator>bipolar2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Sep 2007 20:17:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello all:

Actually, there&#039;s no *lower* limit to ignorance. It&#039;s an unmeasured abyss.
There should, however, be a lower limit to the tolerance for ignorance.

bipolar2</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello all:</p>
<p>Actually, there&#8217;s no *lower* limit to ignorance. It&#8217;s an unmeasured abyss.<br />
There should, however, be a lower limit to the tolerance for ignorance.</p>
<p>bipolar2</p>
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		<title>By: Irishman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Irishman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Sep 2007 20:58:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Asimov article here:
http://chem.tufts.edu/AnswersInScience/RelativityofWrong.htm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Asimov article here:<br />
<a href="http://chem.tufts.edu/AnswersInScience/RelativityofWrong.htm" rel="nofollow">http://chem.tufts.edu/AnswersInScience/RelativityofWrong.htm</a></p>
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		<title>By: Irishman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Irishman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Sep 2007 20:56:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Bad Astronomer said:
&gt; People are mincing words here,

Are we really mincing words on this more than, say, clarifying the scientific vs common use of &quot;theory&quot;, or debating the meanings of &quot;liberal&quot; and &quot;conservative&quot;, or explaining what is meant by &quot;Creationist&quot;?  Or are we engaging in the process of exploring the word meaning to make sure we all understand your intended meaning?

&gt; and my intent is simple enough: there is a difference between knowing something is true based on facts and evidence, and believing something is true based on faith.

Again, you are distinguishing knowledge from belief based upon the distinction of the source of information and the means of evaluating it.


&gt; I never said belief is the opposite of fact; â€œbeliefâ€ is the opposite of â€œknowledgeâ€. Fantasy is the opposite of fact. â€œBelieveâ€ is the opposite of â€œknowâ€.

The distinction is subtle, because you are linking the definition of knowledge to facts and the definition of belief to faith, which is taken to be not based upon facts, and therefore not measured for truth value.  If it is measured for truth value (via evidence) and accepted, it is &quot;knowledge&quot; of facts.  If it is not measured for truth value and accepted, it is faith, and therefore a belief.  So knowledge is fact, but belief may be fact or fantasy.

I would say there is a difference between believing something is true based upon faith and believing something is true based upon evidence.  The difference is in the justification for the belief, not the nature of the information.

But one could distinguish between factual claims and opinion claims.  Then it would be fair to call knowledge a result of facts, and belief an result of opinions.  Then it would be safe to say, for instance, &quot;I know  the Earth is round, and I believe round is better than flat.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Bad Astronomer said:<br />
&gt; People are mincing words here,</p>
<p>Are we really mincing words on this more than, say, clarifying the scientific vs common use of &#8220;theory&#8221;, or debating the meanings of &#8220;liberal&#8221; and &#8220;conservative&#8221;, or explaining what is meant by &#8220;Creationist&#8221;?  Or are we engaging in the process of exploring the word meaning to make sure we all understand your intended meaning?</p>
<p>&gt; and my intent is simple enough: there is a difference between knowing something is true based on facts and evidence, and believing something is true based on faith.</p>
<p>Again, you are distinguishing knowledge from belief based upon the distinction of the source of information and the means of evaluating it.</p>
<p>&gt; I never said belief is the opposite of fact; â€œbeliefâ€ is the opposite of â€œknowledgeâ€. Fantasy is the opposite of fact. â€œBelieveâ€ is the opposite of â€œknowâ€.</p>
<p>The distinction is subtle, because you are linking the definition of knowledge to facts and the definition of belief to faith, which is taken to be not based upon facts, and therefore not measured for truth value.  If it is measured for truth value (via evidence) and accepted, it is &#8220;knowledge&#8221; of facts.  If it is not measured for truth value and accepted, it is faith, and therefore a belief.  So knowledge is fact, but belief may be fact or fantasy.</p>
<p>I would say there is a difference between believing something is true based upon faith and believing something is true based upon evidence.  The difference is in the justification for the belief, not the nature of the information.</p>
<p>But one could distinguish between factual claims and opinion claims.  Then it would be fair to call knowledge a result of facts, and belief an result of opinions.  Then it would be safe to say, for instance, &#8220;I know  the Earth is round, and I believe round is better than flat.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Irishman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Irishman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Sep 2007 20:37:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thorin, I must amend what I said earlier. I looked at the link to the Asimov article that Phil originally provided.  Turns out there was something I missed.

The bulge around the equator is apparently slightly more bulgy on the southern hemisphere than the northern hemisphere, and the south pole is slightly closer than the north pole.  Thus indeed, a pear is the closest representation of that configuration.  (Wide shallow lump vs tall narrow lump.)  Except for the fact that the level of deviation from spherical for that effect is less than the deviation of the bulginess due to spinning.  So my conclusion still stands:

It is a slightly squashed billiard ball with some scuffing on the surface finish.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thorin, I must amend what I said earlier. I looked at the link to the Asimov article that Phil originally provided.  Turns out there was something I missed.</p>
<p>The bulge around the equator is apparently slightly more bulgy on the southern hemisphere than the northern hemisphere, and the south pole is slightly closer than the north pole.  Thus indeed, a pear is the closest representation of that configuration.  (Wide shallow lump vs tall narrow lump.)  Except for the fact that the level of deviation from spherical for that effect is less than the deviation of the bulginess due to spinning.  So my conclusion still stands:</p>
<p>It is a slightly squashed billiard ball with some scuffing on the surface finish.</p>
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		<title>By: CrumpArt &#187; Flat?</title>
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		<dc:creator>CrumpArt &#187; Flat?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Sep 2007 14:21:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] have a new favourite blog. It&#8217;s the Bad Astronomy Blog, and recently Phil posted a rant about this little gem from [i]The [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] have a new favourite blog. It&#8217;s the Bad Astronomy Blog, and recently Phil posted a rant about this little gem from [i]The [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Wha?</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wha?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Sep 2007 04:28:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hope it isn&#039;t frowned upon to post NSFW stuff in the comments, but her defense of her own ignorance reminded me of an old Chris Rock bit:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=utnK4o-jvzk

The part that came to mind is from 2:10 to 3:50.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hope it isn&#8217;t frowned upon to post NSFW stuff in the comments, but her defense of her own ignorance reminded me of an old Chris Rock bit:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=utnK4o-jvzk" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=utnK4o-jvzk</a></p>
<p>The part that came to mind is from 2:10 to 3:50.</p>
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		<title>By: Escuerd</title>
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		<dc:creator>Escuerd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Sep 2007 02:35:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pk:

Ah, I see.  For some reason I always found the method that relies on convergence of probabilities with evidence to be a tad unsatisfying.  I think it&#039;s the fact that there&#039;s always a non-dogmatic (not 0 or 1) prior that can be used to reject any given amount of evidence for a proposition.  So no amount of evidence could ever be enough to say that clinging to a false belief is irrational.

Surely, one could say someone who keeps changing their priors is being unfair, but how could we judge someone who merely sets his/her prior for some statement unrealistically low/high in the first place (e.g. 10^-(10^1000)) unless there&#039;s some systematic way of determining them?  Wouldn&#039;t there be something epistemically wrong with this degree of stubbornness?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pk:</p>
<p>Ah, I see.  For some reason I always found the method that relies on convergence of probabilities with evidence to be a tad unsatisfying.  I think it&#8217;s the fact that there&#8217;s always a non-dogmatic (not 0 or 1) prior that can be used to reject any given amount of evidence for a proposition.  So no amount of evidence could ever be enough to say that clinging to a false belief is irrational.</p>
<p>Surely, one could say someone who keeps changing their priors is being unfair, but how could we judge someone who merely sets his/her prior for some statement unrealistically low/high in the first place (e.g. 10^-(10^1000)) unless there&#8217;s some systematic way of determining them?  Wouldn&#8217;t there be something epistemically wrong with this degree of stubbornness?</p>
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		<title>By: Irishman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Irishman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Sep 2007 21:23:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Xenu said:
&gt;  Fried chicken is all that counts? LOL

Not funny.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Xenu said:<br />
&gt;  Fried chicken is all that counts? LOL</p>
<p>Not funny.</p>
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		<title>By: J. Greer</title>
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		<dc:creator>J. Greer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Sep 2007 18:24:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is one of the reasons I rarely watch TV and just about anything generated by Hollyweird. I am sure I could live the rest of my life and never see a TV again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is one of the reasons I rarely watch TV and just about anything generated by Hollyweird. I am sure I could live the rest of my life and never see a TV again.</p>
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		<title>By: PK</title>
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		<dc:creator>PK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Sep 2007 17:11:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Escuerd, the beauty of the Bayesian approach is that it hardly matters how you choose your priors: As you update you will get to the right distribution regardless of your initial choice.

Interestingly, the only way that fails is if you set priors to zero or one, meaning that absolute certainty (dogmatism) breaks the procedure. How cool is that!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Escuerd, the beauty of the Bayesian approach is that it hardly matters how you choose your priors: As you update you will get to the right distribution regardless of your initial choice.</p>
<p>Interestingly, the only way that fails is if you set priors to zero or one, meaning that absolute certainty (dogmatism) breaks the procedure. How cool is that!</p>
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		<title>By: Quiet_Desperation</title>
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		<dc:creator>Quiet_Desperation</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Sep 2007 16:40:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;&gt;&gt; Says the person defending the racist joke.

Dude. Decaff. It was parody.

&gt;&gt;&gt; And you know absolutely zero about me,
&gt;&gt;&gt; where Iâ€™m from or what I know.

I know everything about you because I CAN READ MINDS!!!! Woooooooooo! Ooooooeeeeeeeooooooooo!

:)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;&gt;&gt; Says the person defending the racist joke.</p>
<p>Dude. Decaff. It was parody.</p>
<p>&gt;&gt;&gt; And you know absolutely zero about me,<br />
&gt;&gt;&gt; where Iâ€™m from or what I know.</p>
<p>I know everything about you because I CAN READ MINDS!!!! Woooooooooo! Ooooooeeeeeeeooooooooo!<br />
 <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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