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	<title>Comments on: &#8230;and a metaphor was born</title>
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	<description>I am an astronomer, writer, and skeptic. I likes reality the way it is, and I aims to keep it that way. My real name is Phil Plait, and I run the Bad Astronomy blog.</description>
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		<title>By: Irishman</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/09/21/and-a-metaphor-was-born/comment-page-1/#comment-49470</link>
		<dc:creator>Irishman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Sep 2007 20:32:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>StevoR said:
&gt; Metaphor birthed 30 years ago the day you posted it. Hardly metaphotr methinks dates back - along with simile (spelling?) to ye olde English times or even before that all the way back to the cavemansâ€™ early gruntings - a picture on teh wall pof amammoth is arguably ametaphotr for theactual animal â€¦ a-n-y-w-a-y â€¦

&gt;What you meant (I think) was the birth of a specific metaphor ie â€œjumping the sharkâ€™.

Um, yes. What Phil said was &quot;the birth of &lt;i&gt;a&lt;/i&gt; metaphor&quot; (emphasis added), not &quot;the birth of metaphor&quot;.  See the difference?  English, you might try it some time.  You might also try typing.  (&quot;metophotr&quot;, &quot;teh wall pof amammoth&quot;, etc).

I mean, if you&#039;re going to be hypercritical, at least don&#039;t screw up yourself.

(I now invoke Gaudere&#039;s Law. So there.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>StevoR said:<br />
&gt; Metaphor birthed 30 years ago the day you posted it. Hardly metaphotr methinks dates back &#8211; along with simile (spelling?) to ye olde English times or even before that all the way back to the cavemansâ€™ early gruntings &#8211; a picture on teh wall pof amammoth is arguably ametaphotr for theactual animal â€¦ a-n-y-w-a-y â€¦</p>
<p>&gt;What you meant (I think) was the birth of a specific metaphor ie â€œjumping the sharkâ€™.</p>
<p>Um, yes. What Phil said was &#8220;the birth of <i>a</i> metaphor&#8221; (emphasis added), not &#8220;the birth of metaphor&#8221;.  See the difference?  English, you might try it some time.  You might also try typing.  (&#8221;metophotr&#8221;, &#8220;teh wall pof amammoth&#8221;, etc).</p>
<p>I mean, if you&#8217;re going to be hypercritical, at least don&#8217;t screw up yourself.</p>
<p>(I now invoke Gaudere&#8217;s Law. So there.)</p>
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		<title>By: blizno</title>
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		<dc:creator>blizno</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Sep 2007 20:00:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;(And by the way, how did you get the actual Ã© with the accent ague character? I cut-and-pasted yours I was so jealous.)&quot;

It&#039;s easy and fun, Bo Babbyo.
With numlock turned on, hold down the alt key while typing the decimal ASCII code on the number pad.  The character will appear when you release the alt key.
Ã© is alt-0233.

Here&#039;s a table of ASCII codes that work in Mac and Windows:
http://www.4d.com/docs/CMu/CMU10121.HTM</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;(And by the way, how did you get the actual Ã© with the accent ague character? I cut-and-pasted yours I was so jealous.)&#8221;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s easy and fun, Bo Babbyo.<br />
With numlock turned on, hold down the alt key while typing the decimal ASCII code on the number pad.  The character will appear when you release the alt key.<br />
Ã© is alt-0233.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s a table of ASCII codes that work in Mac and Windows:<br />
<a href="http://www.4d.com/docs/CMu/CMU10121.HTM" rel="nofollow">http://www.4d.com/docs/CMu/CMU10121.HTM</a></p>
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		<title>By: Quiet_Desperation</title>
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		<dc:creator>Quiet_Desperation</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Sep 2007 17:06:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;&gt;&gt; Oh and for a new flag I suggest Americans replace the
&gt;&gt;&gt; old â€˜Stars &amp; stripesâ€™ with a giant bloody Swashtika

Stuff it. I hate Bush, but we&#039;re not the ones declaring the destruction of Israel and all Jews as part of our national policy. You are trapped in an ideological singularity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;&gt;&gt; Oh and for a new flag I suggest Americans replace the<br />
&gt;&gt;&gt; old â€˜Stars &amp; stripesâ€™ with a giant bloody Swashtika</p>
<p>Stuff it. I hate Bush, but we&#8217;re not the ones declaring the destruction of Israel and all Jews as part of our national policy. You are trapped in an ideological singularity.</p>
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		<title>By: J. D. Mack</title>
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		<dc:creator>J. D. Mack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Sep 2007 13:34:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For those who don&#039;t understand why Fonzie was considered cool, you actually understand the concept perfectly.  Fonzie started out on Happy Days as mysteriously cool, and then over the course of the show, he was revealed as more and more human and just like everyone else.  I always thought that that was the point.

J. D.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For those who don&#8217;t understand why Fonzie was considered cool, you actually understand the concept perfectly.  Fonzie started out on Happy Days as mysteriously cool, and then over the course of the show, he was revealed as more and more human and just like everyone else.  I always thought that that was the point.</p>
<p>J. D.</p>
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		<title>By: StevoR</title>
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		<dc:creator>StevoR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Sep 2007 07:28:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh and for a new flag I suggest  Americans replace  the old &#039;Stars &amp; stripes&#039; with a giant bloody Swashtika combined with a Crucifux and the Star of David along with these words in blood-red :

&quot;In Dubya Bush&#039;s warped interpretation of God we trust&quot;

with perhaps a row of barrels of oil or skulls symbolising the various states ...

It&#039;d certainly be an apt if sad and no doubt enragingly accurate reflection to most of the world about how you&#039;ve changed and what sort of a nation you&#039;ve sadly become.

 BTW. Despite my strong anti-Bush feelings &amp; political outlook, I&#039;m actually very much pro-USA - its smarter, better, more inspirational  side exemplified by Martin Luther King &amp; Isaac Asimov - &amp; Phil Plait &amp; the good folks here that is;  NOT its fundamentalist, hypocritically prudish*, arrogant, ignorant neo-con one exemplified by George the Second.

I discern  a battle within America right now and I wish I could say the side of good and hope for the future was winning, the sideof science and democracy and civil liberties NOT the side of the Religious Wrong &amp; Neo-Conservative fascists out for &quot;full spectrum dominace&quot; over a planet they donm&#039;t understand and care only about getting themselves rich from regardless of the suffering.

If you&#039;re going to give away you&#039;re guns and SUV&#039;s, well, the rest of the planet would be very grateful ..

* Ie the sort of thing where Janet Jackson&#039;s 1/4 sec. part-breast flap has folks foaming at the mouth yet a President lying his country into the war crime of invading Iraq and thus murdering hundreds of thousands of innocent people gathers nowhere near even a tenth that same outrage ..

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Hmmn .. now all that that is going to be controversial - albeit very true.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh and for a new flag I suggest  Americans replace  the old &#8216;Stars &amp; stripes&#8217; with a giant bloody Swashtika combined with a Crucifux and the Star of David along with these words in blood-red :</p>
<p>&#8220;In Dubya Bush&#8217;s warped interpretation of God we trust&#8221;</p>
<p>with perhaps a row of barrels of oil or skulls symbolising the various states &#8230;</p>
<p>It&#8217;d certainly be an apt if sad and no doubt enragingly accurate reflection to most of the world about how you&#8217;ve changed and what sort of a nation you&#8217;ve sadly become.</p>
<p> BTW. Despite my strong anti-Bush feelings &amp; political outlook, I&#8217;m actually very much pro-USA &#8211; its smarter, better, more inspirational  side exemplified by Martin Luther King &amp; Isaac Asimov &#8211; &amp; Phil Plait &amp; the good folks here that is;  NOT its fundamentalist, hypocritically prudish*, arrogant, ignorant neo-con one exemplified by George the Second.</p>
<p>I discern  a battle within America right now and I wish I could say the side of good and hope for the future was winning, the sideof science and democracy and civil liberties NOT the side of the Religious Wrong &amp; Neo-Conservative fascists out for &#8220;full spectrum dominace&#8221; over a planet they donm&#8217;t understand and care only about getting themselves rich from regardless of the suffering.</p>
<p>If you&#8217;re going to give away you&#8217;re guns and SUV&#8217;s, well, the rest of the planet would be very grateful ..</p>
<p>* Ie the sort of thing where Janet Jackson&#8217;s 1/4 sec. part-breast flap has folks foaming at the mouth yet a President lying his country into the war crime of invading Iraq and thus murdering hundreds of thousands of innocent people gathers nowhere near even a tenth that same outrage ..</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;<br />
Hmmn .. now all that that is going to be controversial &#8211; albeit very true.</p>
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		<title>By: StevoR</title>
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		<dc:creator>StevoR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Sep 2007 07:08:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Metaphor birthed 30 years ago the day you posted it. Hardly metaphotr methinks dates back - along with simile (spelling?) to ye olde English times or even before that all the way back to the cavemans&#039; early gruntings - a picture on teh wall pof amammoth is arguably ametaphotr for theactual animal ...  a-n-y-w-a-y ...

What you meant (I think)  was the birth of a specific metaphor ie &quot;jumping the shark&#039;.

Well, I was never a big Happy Day&#039;s fan before or after I heard of it. But I grok the idea anyway.  There are a whole  lot of TV shows that I think  &quot;jumped the shark&quot; - a sizeable number in their pilot episode! ;-)

I could be controversial and suggest that the way the &#039;Star Trek&#039; franchise  jumped the Shark with the series after &#039;The Next Gen&#039; is a classic example tho&#039; ..

Come to think of it, I just have! ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Metaphor birthed 30 years ago the day you posted it. Hardly metaphotr methinks dates back &#8211; along with simile (spelling?) to ye olde English times or even before that all the way back to the cavemans&#8217; early gruntings &#8211; a picture on teh wall pof amammoth is arguably ametaphotr for theactual animal &#8230;  a-n-y-w-a-y &#8230;</p>
<p>What you meant (I think)  was the birth of a specific metaphor ie &#8220;jumping the shark&#8217;.</p>
<p>Well, I was never a big Happy Day&#8217;s fan before or after I heard of it. But I grok the idea anyway.  There are a whole  lot of TV shows that I think  &#8220;jumped the shark&#8221; &#8211; a sizeable number in their pilot episode! <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I could be controversial and suggest that the way the &#8216;Star Trek&#8217; franchise  jumped the Shark with the series after &#8216;The Next Gen&#8217; is a classic example tho&#8217; ..</p>
<p>Come to think of it, I just have! <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Bo Babbyo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bo Babbyo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Sep 2007 20:06:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;. . . .This became a clichÃ© for a dying TV show that got so very bad that its own viewers begged for the show to be put out of its misery because they could no longer stand to watch its suffering.
This is now a clichÃ© for anything that once was worthwhile but is still being clung to long, long after it should have died.&quot;

And, as is the case with a number of clichÃ©s  -- &quot;game not worth the candle&quot;, &quot;lock stock and barrel&quot;, &quot;carrying coals to Newcastle&quot; &quot;motorman&#039;s holiday,&quot; doubtless there will be many who use the term without knowing what its initial meaning is/was.

I&#039;d have to say, &quot;jumping the shark&quot; fills a gap in meaning that isn&#039;t quite satisfied by &quot;contemptuous by familiarity&quot; or &quot;stale&quot; or &quot;past its sell-by date&quot; or even &quot;clichÃ©d&quot;. There are, after all, reasons why a cliche&#039; becomes a clichÃ©.

(And by the way, how did you get the actual Ã© with the accent ague character? I cut-and-pasted yours I was so jealous.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;. . . .This became a clichÃ© for a dying TV show that got so very bad that its own viewers begged for the show to be put out of its misery because they could no longer stand to watch its suffering.<br />
This is now a clichÃ© for anything that once was worthwhile but is still being clung to long, long after it should have died.&#8221;</p>
<p>And, as is the case with a number of clichÃ©s  &#8212; &#8220;game not worth the candle&#8221;, &#8220;lock stock and barrel&#8221;, &#8220;carrying coals to Newcastle&#8221; &#8220;motorman&#8217;s holiday,&#8221; doubtless there will be many who use the term without knowing what its initial meaning is/was.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d have to say, &#8220;jumping the shark&#8221; fills a gap in meaning that isn&#8217;t quite satisfied by &#8220;contemptuous by familiarity&#8221; or &#8220;stale&#8221; or &#8220;past its sell-by date&#8221; or even &#8220;clichÃ©d&#8221;. There are, after all, reasons why a cliche&#8217; becomes a clichÃ©.</p>
<p>(And by the way, how did you get the actual Ã© with the accent ague character? I cut-and-pasted yours I was so jealous.)</p>
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