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	<title>Comments on: AT&amp;T still sucks, and Angela Gunn knows it</title>
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	<description>I am an astronomer, writer, and skeptic. I likes reality the way it is, and I aims to keep it that way. My real name is Phil Plait, and I run the Bad Astronomy blog.</description>
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		<title>By: Careless</title>
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		<dc:creator>Careless</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Oct 2007 01:56:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Talking about AT&amp;T is really confusing at this point.   I am using ATT cell phone service, ATT home phone service,  and ATT cable service.  Except one was Cingular when got it, one was SBC, and the other is no longer called ATT

&quot;@tim. Iâ€™m of the firm belief that customers should always do their best to get away with as much they can, no matter how seemingly unreasonable. Itâ€™s the only way capitalism works. So if people want to try and change providers, and then complain when they end up with bricks, let them. I want to see if it nets them anything, and if it does, good for them.&quot;
You do realize the enormous costs this sort of behavior costs us, don&#039;t you,  Ibrahim?  Billions spent on copyright enforcement, copy protection, law enforcement, etc, any of that ring a bell? Everything works better if both sides play by the rules.

If it wasn&#039;t for Apple&#039;s insanely annoying commercials, I might actually own an IPhone.  I can&#039;t imagine how their marketing campaigns are actually successes.  They&#039;re just awful.
Also, I&#039;d never have had to consider an IPhone if advanced phones from other companies actually made it to this country.  What the heck is going on?  Of the 20 or so Nokias of higher notation than the N73, only 2 (I think) are sold here.  There are a ton of phones that blow the iphone away in performance of many/most tasks (though the iphone does have the great screen).  They&#039;re just not sold here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Talking about AT&amp;T is really confusing at this point.   I am using ATT cell phone service, ATT home phone service,  and ATT cable service.  Except one was Cingular when got it, one was SBC, and the other is no longer called ATT</p>
<p>&#8220;@tim. Iâ€™m of the firm belief that customers should always do their best to get away with as much they can, no matter how seemingly unreasonable. Itâ€™s the only way capitalism works. So if people want to try and change providers, and then complain when they end up with bricks, let them. I want to see if it nets them anything, and if it does, good for them.&#8221;<br />
You do realize the enormous costs this sort of behavior costs us, don&#8217;t you,  Ibrahim?  Billions spent on copyright enforcement, copy protection, law enforcement, etc, any of that ring a bell? Everything works better if both sides play by the rules.</p>
<p>If it wasn&#8217;t for Apple&#8217;s insanely annoying commercials, I might actually own an IPhone.  I can&#8217;t imagine how their marketing campaigns are actually successes.  They&#8217;re just awful.<br />
Also, I&#8217;d never have had to consider an IPhone if advanced phones from other companies actually made it to this country.  What the heck is going on?  Of the 20 or so Nokias of higher notation than the N73, only 2 (I think) are sold here.  There are a ton of phones that blow the iphone away in performance of many/most tasks (though the iphone does have the great screen).  They&#8217;re just not sold here.</p>
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		<title>By: CafeenMan</title>
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		<dc:creator>CafeenMan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Oct 2007 12:56:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My last dealings with AT &amp; T were where I got phone service here in Florida (BellSouth which is now, ironically, owned by the bastards).

I kept getting calls from AT &amp; T asking me if I wanted this service or that.  I kept saying, &#039;Take me off your phone list.  I don&#039;t want anything you&#039;ve got.&#039;

&quot;Well, sir, it takes up to 60 days for you to be removed from our list.&quot;

&#039;Ma&#039;am, I&#039;ve been here a year.  I&#039;ve gotten these calls for months.  Your 60 days have come and gone SIX times.  I will never buy an AT &amp; T product.  I don&#039;t like the way your company does business and I never want to hear from you again.  I hope I&#039;ve been clear.&quot;

&quot;Yes sir.&quot;

I never heard from them again but they&#039;re worse than Jehovah&#039;s witnesses.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My last dealings with AT &amp; T were where I got phone service here in Florida (BellSouth which is now, ironically, owned by the bastards).</p>
<p>I kept getting calls from AT &amp; T asking me if I wanted this service or that.  I kept saying, &#8216;Take me off your phone list.  I don&#8217;t want anything you&#8217;ve got.&#8217;</p>
<p>&#8220;Well, sir, it takes up to 60 days for you to be removed from our list.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8216;Ma&#8217;am, I&#8217;ve been here a year.  I&#8217;ve gotten these calls for months.  Your 60 days have come and gone SIX times.  I will never buy an AT &amp; T product.  I don&#8217;t like the way your company does business and I never want to hear from you again.  I hope I&#8217;ve been clear.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Yes sir.&#8221;</p>
<p>I never heard from them again but they&#8217;re worse than Jehovah&#8217;s witnesses.</p>
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		<title>By: Quiet Desperation</title>
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		<dc:creator>Quiet Desperation</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Oct 2007 05:36:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, at least it&#039;s not another man-crush.

And the iPhone pwns. You all know it deep down in your dark little hearts. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, at least it&#8217;s not another man-crush.</p>
<p>And the iPhone pwns. You all know it deep down in your dark little hearts. <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Kurt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kurt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Oct 2007 05:24:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Isnâ€™t it amazing what one little blurb about a non-important issue will ignite. Wouldnâ€™t it be great if we could get this kind of response about space tourism or more funding for NASA, or the scientific community in general? Usually this blog is one of the more intellectual ones that I read, and it is really funny to watch people argue like a bunch of children over a phone that is a marketing tool for a company. Do I own an iPhone? No I do not. Why? Because it serves no useful purpose in my life. Is this a bad thing? Depends on whom you ask.

â€ Why do something intelligent in advance, when you can wait until the last minute and do something truly idiotic? â€œ</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Isnâ€™t it amazing what one little blurb about a non-important issue will ignite. Wouldnâ€™t it be great if we could get this kind of response about space tourism or more funding for NASA, or the scientific community in general? Usually this blog is one of the more intellectual ones that I read, and it is really funny to watch people argue like a bunch of children over a phone that is a marketing tool for a company. Do I own an iPhone? No I do not. Why? Because it serves no useful purpose in my life. Is this a bad thing? Depends on whom you ask.</p>
<p>â€ Why do something intelligent in advance, when you can wait until the last minute and do something truly idiotic? â€œ</p>
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		<title>By: Ibrahim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ibrahim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Oct 2007 04:50:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@tim. I&#039;m of the firm belief that customers should always do their best to get away with as much they can, no matter how seemingly unreasonable. It&#039;s the only way capitalism works. So if people want to try and change providers, and then complain when they end up with bricks, let them. I want to see if it nets them anything, and if it does, good for them.

I just wish people would blow ATM fees out of the water, there are a few places that don&#039;t have them and can&#039;t get them, just because of the consumer backlash.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@tim. I&#8217;m of the firm belief that customers should always do their best to get away with as much they can, no matter how seemingly unreasonable. It&#8217;s the only way capitalism works. So if people want to try and change providers, and then complain when they end up with bricks, let them. I want to see if it nets them anything, and if it does, good for them.</p>
<p>I just wish people would blow ATM fees out of the water, there are a few places that don&#8217;t have them and can&#8217;t get them, just because of the consumer backlash.</p>
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		<title>By: The Bad Astronomer</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Bad Astronomer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Oct 2007 04:25:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John Armstrong (sorry about the filter, it&#039;s pain, I know): even if it is or is not enforceable, why do they have it?

As Boing Boing pointedout (http://www.boingboing.net/2007/10/02/att-snowjob-we-wont.html): &quot;If AT&amp;T sincerely doesn&#039;t ever intend on cutting you off for criticizing them, they can amend their terms of service to say exactly that. It&#039;s not as though the legalese came off a mountain on two stone tablets and changing them counts as blasphemy.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John Armstrong (sorry about the filter, it&#8217;s pain, I know): even if it is or is not enforceable, why do they have it?</p>
<p>As Boing Boing pointedout (<a href="http://www.boingboing.net/2007/10/02/att-snowjob-we-wont.html)" rel="nofollow">http://www.boingboing.net/2007/10/02/att-snowjob-we-wont.html)</a>: &#8220;If AT&#038;T sincerely doesn&#8217;t ever intend on cutting you off for criticizing them, they can amend their terms of service to say exactly that. It&#8217;s not as though the legalese came off a mountain on two stone tablets and changing them counts as blasphemy.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Hall</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Hall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Oct 2007 03:30:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice looking and all those brains too!

You two do have a point.

I used to be a cingular customer &#039;till AT&amp;T took over. Now I&#039;m stuck with them.  Funny thing, though: I was ready to bite the bullet and take whatever penalties it took to quit Cingular.  They were that bad.
Then AT&amp;T took over, and they didn&#039;t blow quite as much as Cingular did.  That said, I am willing to let my contract run out and then quit.

The thing is, nobody I&#039;ve talked to seems to have had better luck with any other company.

Oh, and her glasses: they are even hotter when worn with the neck cord!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice looking and all those brains too!</p>
<p>You two do have a point.</p>
<p>I used to be a cingular customer &#8217;till AT&amp;T took over. Now I&#8217;m stuck with them.  Funny thing, though: I was ready to bite the bullet and take whatever penalties it took to quit Cingular.  They were that bad.<br />
Then AT&amp;T took over, and they didn&#8217;t blow quite as much as Cingular did.  That said, I am willing to let my contract run out and then quit.</p>
<p>The thing is, nobody I&#8217;ve talked to seems to have had better luck with any other company.</p>
<p>Oh, and her glasses: they are even hotter when worn with the neck cord!</p>
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