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	<description>I am an astronomer, writer, and skeptic. I likes reality the way it is, and I aims to keep it that way. My real name is Phil Plait, and I run the Bad Astronomy blog.</description>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/10/02/evolution-of-a-talk-show-host/comment-page-1/#comment-50613</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Oct 2007 23:52:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seconding BlockStacker:

Having ensured that House would be saved on the DVR, my son (a college sophomore) and myself watched Cavemen and enjoyed it as much as any other new show.  I am a dialog fan - don&#039;t like slap-sticky stuff or gimmick shows - and found the jokes witty.  Another show we both enjoyed was The Big Bang Theory.  Did you get a chance to catch that Phil?

Jim from KSC</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seconding BlockStacker:</p>
<p>Having ensured that House would be saved on the DVR, my son (a college sophomore) and myself watched Cavemen and enjoyed it as much as any other new show.  I am a dialog fan &#8211; don&#8217;t like slap-sticky stuff or gimmick shows &#8211; and found the jokes witty.  Another show we both enjoyed was The Big Bang Theory.  Did you get a chance to catch that Phil?</p>
<p>Jim from KSC</p>
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		<title>By: zeb</title>
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		<dc:creator>zeb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Oct 2007 23:45:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know. I thought the Simpsons Movie was going to kill the franchise off, but it turned out to be really good. Maybe Cavemen will be the same way (though I doubt it).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know. I thought the Simpsons Movie was going to kill the franchise off, but it turned out to be really good. Maybe Cavemen will be the same way (though I doubt it).</p>
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		<title>By: StarDragon The Canadian</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/10/02/evolution-of-a-talk-show-host/comment-page-1/#comment-50611</link>
		<dc:creator>StarDragon The Canadian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Oct 2007 23:11:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BlockStacker:

We are the Cro Magnons,my friend/
Will this confusion never end?/
Neanderthal&#039;s the other one./
That&#039;s the gene-pool that&#039;s done./
Sometimes blind evolution/
Weeds out the smart ones/
From the world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BlockStacker:</p>
<p>We are the Cro Magnons,my friend/<br />
Will this confusion never end?/<br />
Neanderthal&#8217;s the other one./<br />
That&#8217;s the gene-pool that&#8217;s done./<br />
Sometimes blind evolution/<br />
Weeds out the smart ones/<br />
From the world.</p>
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		<title>By: BlockStacker</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/10/02/evolution-of-a-talk-show-host/comment-page-1/#comment-50610</link>
		<dc:creator>BlockStacker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Oct 2007 18:48:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Before some Anthropologist nails me, I think in highschool we learned that cro-magnans were genetically indistinguishable from modern humans, &lt;i&gt;homo-sapiens-sapiens&lt;/i&gt;.  Whereas Neanderthals
were &lt;i&gt;homo-sapiens-neandertalis&lt;/i&gt;.  Can I get a ruling on this?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Before some Anthropologist nails me, I think in highschool we learned that cro-magnans were genetically indistinguishable from modern humans, <i>homo-sapiens-sapiens</i>.  Whereas Neanderthals<br />
were <i>homo-sapiens-neandertalis</i>.  Can I get a ruling on this?</p>
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		<title>By: BlockStacker</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/10/02/evolution-of-a-talk-show-host/comment-page-1/#comment-50609</link>
		<dc:creator>BlockStacker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Oct 2007 18:42:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So this clip inspired me to go watch the show&#039;s premier at the ABC website.  I gotta admit it struck a chord with me. I actually laughed out-loud several times.  It&#039;s mostly just a show about early-20&#039;s single males, which they nail pretty consistently.  But you&#039;ve also got the Caveman angle, which I think worked pretty well.  They&#039;re less indignant than on the commercials.  The cavemen mostly just bear the small amount of discrimination they got with restrained annoyance.  The laughs came mostly from the dialog, which was pretty good.

New catch-phrase, relating to fraternization between cavemen and homo-sapiens: &quot;Keep your penis in your genus.&quot;  (I laughed, even though we&#039;re actually both in the genus, &lt;i&gt;homo-&lt;/i&gt;.)

I&#039;d say overall the show had an efficiency of about 80-82% in the rating system I just made up where,

Eff. = [CPI - (JBS+F)]/CPI, and

CPI = Comedy Potential In
JBS = Jokes that Bombed or were Stupid
F = Friction</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So this clip inspired me to go watch the show&#8217;s premier at the ABC website.  I gotta admit it struck a chord with me. I actually laughed out-loud several times.  It&#8217;s mostly just a show about early-20&#8217;s single males, which they nail pretty consistently.  But you&#8217;ve also got the Caveman angle, which I think worked pretty well.  They&#8217;re less indignant than on the commercials.  The cavemen mostly just bear the small amount of discrimination they got with restrained annoyance.  The laughs came mostly from the dialog, which was pretty good.</p>
<p>New catch-phrase, relating to fraternization between cavemen and homo-sapiens: &#8220;Keep your penis in your genus.&#8221;  (I laughed, even though we&#8217;re actually both in the genus, <i>homo-</i>.)</p>
<p>I&#8217;d say overall the show had an efficiency of about 80-82% in the rating system I just made up where,</p>
<p>Eff. = [CPI - (JBS+F)]/CPI, and</p>
<p>CPI = Comedy Potential In<br />
JBS = Jokes that Bombed or were Stupid<br />
F = Friction</p>
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		<title>By: StevoR</title>
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		<dc:creator>StevoR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Oct 2007 17:18:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oppos meant to add above :

Cavemen exist (Premise 1) &amp; evolution exist (P2) are Independent claims not logically connected.

Ie. There could be evolution but no cavemen (&amp; for most of Erath&#039;s long geological history this was indeed the case!)

Or equally, there could be cavemen existing but NOT having evolved (eg. you could say the Republican Party &amp; Religious Wrong are living proof of that now! ;-)  ) Or less humerouslty that thecavemen were aliens from anotherpklanet were theywereengineered by anotherspecies or  (blech!) God made &#039;em to foool us or whatever else ..

Actually both propositions are, broadly speaking, true - cavemen exist as does evolution &amp; cavemen as &quot;missing link&quot; are one pice of evidence among a great many others for demonstrating the reality of evolution.

Hope that&#039;s clarified for y&#039;all</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oppos meant to add above :</p>
<p>Cavemen exist (Premise 1) &amp; evolution exist (P2) are Independent claims not logically connected.</p>
<p>Ie. There could be evolution but no cavemen (&amp; for most of Erath&#8217;s long geological history this was indeed the case!)</p>
<p>Or equally, there could be cavemen existing but NOT having evolved (eg. you could say the Republican Party &amp; Religious Wrong are living proof of that now! <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' />   ) Or less humerouslty that thecavemen were aliens from anotherpklanet were theywereengineered by anotherspecies or  (blech!) God made &#8216;em to foool us or whatever else ..</p>
<p>Actually both propositions are, broadly speaking, true &#8211; cavemen exist as does evolution &amp; cavemen as &#8220;missing link&#8221; are one pice of evidence among a great many others for demonstrating the reality of evolution.</p>
<p>Hope that&#8217;s clarified for y&#8217;all</p>
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		<title>By: StevoR</title>
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		<dc:creator>StevoR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Oct 2007 17:11:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ioresulton said 03 Oct 2007 at 9:12 am :

&quot;Also, I find the cavemanâ€™s logic good:
-If you suppose that cavemen donâ€™t exist
-AND you think evolution doesnâ€™t exist
-THEN you think cavemen never existed&quot;

Seems like a poor inference and consequent non-sequiteur (does not follow by my logic.

The premise being

1) cavemen donâ€™t exist

NOT relating to premise 2

2) you think evolution doesnâ€™t exist

in any reasonably connected fashion. (eg. if there were caveman then there was evolution.)

Further logic would argue that in real-world context both are false premises based on evidence clearly showing both Cavemen (defined as both people living in caves now, historically and prehistorically and previous human sub-species eg. neandertals) and evolution are supported by numerous lines of evidence and established as in broad essence accurate. So to think either cavemen or evolution doesn&#039;t exist is taking unsupported, falsified claims over demonstated and confirmed claims.

but a-n-y-h-o-w ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ioresulton said 03 Oct 2007 at 9:12 am :</p>
<p>&#8220;Also, I find the cavemanâ€™s logic good:<br />
-If you suppose that cavemen donâ€™t exist<br />
-AND you think evolution doesnâ€™t exist<br />
-THEN you think cavemen never existed&#8221;</p>
<p>Seems like a poor inference and consequent non-sequiteur (does not follow by my logic.</p>
<p>The premise being</p>
<p>1) cavemen donâ€™t exist</p>
<p>NOT relating to premise 2</p>
<p>2) you think evolution doesnâ€™t exist</p>
<p>in any reasonably connected fashion. (eg. if there were caveman then there was evolution.)</p>
<p>Further logic would argue that in real-world context both are false premises based on evidence clearly showing both Cavemen (defined as both people living in caves now, historically and prehistorically and previous human sub-species eg. neandertals) and evolution are supported by numerous lines of evidence and established as in broad essence accurate. So to think either cavemen or evolution doesn&#8217;t exist is taking unsupported, falsified claims over demonstated and confirmed claims.</p>
<p>but a-n-y-h-o-w &#8230;</p>
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